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    help windows update log keeps returning

    OS is windows xp 32bit sp2

    I have windows updates turned off via services but there is some other "update" being attempted at shutdown.. I keep geting a windows update log file created on my system drive. Update log shows wupdate at shutdown "failed", this is not the problem though.. Reason for my concern is that the system drive is a solid state disk. According to the SSD tweaking guides, the constant file creation on the system drive can degrade the SSD's write performance over time.. I need to turn off the program that is attempting to perform the update at shutdown, to maybe conserve baseline resources and speed up the shutdown process but mainly to stop the constant re-creation of log file on the ssd, or move the log file to another non ssd partition, in order to preserve the SSD's write performance in the long run. I'm having trouble finding the program that is attempting to install updates at shutdown.. Any suggestions are appreciated.

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    Is this still happening?
    If yes, are you not able to pinpoint the culprit by means of a real-time monitoring tool such as Process Monitor from SysInternals that captures all registry events? Perhaps even the Event Viewer logs could help?

    What is your opinion of SSDs so far. I was thinking of getting one in the near future, worth the $$ or not?

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    Thanks for the reply, I haven't fully investigated the reason for the creation of the update log; except that some part of windows update is not turned off, even though windows automatic updates service is set to disabled, and windows update is turned off in the control panel, and my main profile/registry/user folders and all windows log files are supposedly stored/active on a different, non SSD hard disk, It happens each time I shut down the computer "windows update log" shows up in my crapcleaner "things to remove" list, each time I restart, unfortunately it's on the C Drive, which is my SSD array.....

    I was hoping for a direct answer while searching online, but stopped looking about 2 months ago.I got interested in switching to windows 7 ultimate/64bit and putting my quad core machine back together, and watercooling it/oc'ng it. My brother bought me a D-tek waterblock with nanopin for the CPU I think it's a D-tek fusion 2?

    I got a couple full cover blocks for my GPU's. But I've ran into some car troubles that I have to deal with.

    Gonna use 4x OCZ vertex SSD's in raid 0 two partitions, one for OS, the other for photo's and games, then 2x raptors or 2xcaviars raid 0 for virtual memory/scratch disk and a big external for photo backup and drive image backup.

    I totally forgot about process explorer, I also have another program that i used extensively while prepairing my OS drive/system drive and configuration for the move to SSD's The programs I was using I think were filemon and procmon, the rest of the changes I made according to the OCZ support forum guides..

    I think SSD's are like bigger carburators, for a motorcycle, there are small setbacks at different "things" say, if you add two more carbs, "RAID 0" lower RPM throttle response "disk writing of small files" is down a bit, but overall, engine power at the higher rpm range is better than ever "read speed of any file size and I/O performance".

    This comes at the expense of FUEL and the added power, usually decreases the life of the motor... Err, SSD's are high maintenece if you don't already know about that stuff; there are things you need in order to preserve the write speed, and get the most out of the solid state drives expected life, "wiper/trim/secure erase and partition starting offset/allignment etc.." Since those aren't built into older drive controllers "on the motherboard", and older opperating systems don't support some of those, preserving the write speed on the SSD is pretty high maintenance, basically, you never want to write on/erase/rewrite, you only want to put something on there that you will use daily, without changing that daily used thing. If you change files alot/write/rewrite/erase etc.. The drives tend to get slower and slower, to an extent.. To get that back with older hardware, some of the drives need to be completely reflashed to factory spec, destructive type SSD bios version flashing, where everything is reset to zero's, sort of like HDD low level formatting..

    I am trying to use them mostly for MY stuff, rather than background opperating system functions.. I got the OS/SYSTEM drive to be much like a ROM; with as little drive writes as possible to the SSD array, and all of my other OS random/system drive writes moved over to an outside track partition, of a pair of mechanical drives, RAID 0.. Things that I prefer to use the SSD's for are like videogame small files, with few to no updates/patches to those games.. to get the most read speed and lowest "access/latency" for better game play, less jumpy/gittery ingame graphics, and less loading time between maps/tracks etc..

    Performance wise, the SSD's are MUCH faster than mechanical disks.... Windows load times are faster, program load times are faster.. etc.. need to open a photo, click boom it's open at full resolution, then final dithering/rendering "Canon DPP software loads big photos from CD/DVD and mechanical disks much slower than the SSD..

    Need to open all of your applications at once, use a batch file.. see how long it takes on a regular Hard disk, then compare it to the same setup using an SSD..

    If you are able to view video's on youtube, there are a few really good examples of just how fast things are with SSD's. It was a needed improvement in PC's, regarding Data bottlenecking that standard hard disks have. We still need a bit more speed, newer SSD's and SATA channels are coming out that should make things alot faster than they are now.

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    these are the three "re-occuring" files on my system drive that are bugging me..
    C:\windows\Sti_Trace.log 0 bytes
    C:\windows\WindowsUpdate.log 322 bytes
    C:\windows\Debug\UserMode\userenv.log 672 bytes
    Everything else/logs/temp files etc are on another non SSD partition..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cauzomb View Post
    Thanks for the reply, I haven't fully investigated the reason for the creation of the update log; except that some part of windows update is not turned off, even though windows automatic updates service is set to disabled, and windows update is turned off in the control panel, and my main profile/registry/user folders and all windows log files are supposedly stored/active on a different, non SSD hard disk, It happens each time I shut down the computer "windows update log" shows up in my crapcleaner "things to remove" list, each time I restart, unfortunately it's on the C Drive, which is my SSD array.....
    No worries, I figured I could try to help or at least provide another view on the issue. You are very knowledgeable and good at this kind of crap so I really doubt you need much help but again 2 heads are better than 1 I guess?


    I was hoping for a direct answer while searching online, but stopped looking about 2 months ago.I got interested in switching to windows 7 ultimate/64bit and putting my quad core machine back together, and watercooling it/oc'ng it. My brother bought me a D-tek waterblock with nanopin for the CPU I think it's a D-tek fusion 2?

    I got a couple full cover blocks for my GPU's. But I've ran into some car troubles that I have to deal with.
    Don't ask me or talk to me about water cooling! I guess you forgot how I felt about water cooling?
    Sorry to hear about your car issues. I had unemployment issues plus motorcycle issues, thank god no car issues on top of it all otherwise I would also have more drinking issues and eventually suicide issues! lol


    Gonna use 4x OCZ vertex SSD's in raid 0 two partitions, one for OS, the other for photo's and games, then 2x raptors or 2xcaviars raid 0 for virtual memory/scratch disk and a big external for photo backup and drive image backup.
    I heard good things about OCZ's SSDs and also read up on it a bit on Tom's hardware. The prices seemed a bit too much considering their capacity but out of curiosity (which most of my technology related purchases are usually based on) I might actually get on once I get a job and start generating some income again, hopefully it will be soon.

    I totally forgot about process explorer, I also have another program that i used extensively while prepairing my OS drive/system drive and configuration for the move to SSD's The programs I was using I think were filemon and procmon, the rest of the changes I made according to the OCZ support forum guides..
    Yeah, ProcessExplorer is really good but for your need, using something like Process Monitor or even Disk Usage could be more helpful which are also from SysInternals.
    RegMon and FileMon from Spybot Search and Destroy's makers are two cool freebies to monitor/capture real-time data on registry and file access/read/write activities.

    I think SSD's are like bigger carburators, for a motorcycle, there are small setbacks at different "things" say, if you add two more carbs, "RAID 0" lower RPM throttle response "disk writing of small files" is down a bit, but overall, engine power at the higher rpm range is better than ever "read speed of any file size and I/O performance".

    This comes at the expense of FUEL and the added power, usually decreases the life of the motor... Err, SSD's are high maintenece if you don't already know about that stuff; there are things you need in order to preserve the write speed, and get the most out of the solid state drives expected life, "wiper/trim/secure erase and partition starting offset/allignment etc.." Since those aren't built into older drive controllers "on the motherboard", and older opperating systems don't support some of those, preserving the write speed on the SSD is pretty high maintenance, basically, you never want to write on/erase/rewrite, you only want to put something on there that you will use daily, without changing that daily used thing. If you change files alot/write/rewrite/erase etc.. The drives tend to get slower and slower, to an extent.. To get that back with older hardware, some of the drives need to be completely reflashed to factory spec, destructive type SSD bios version flashing, where everything is reset to zero's, sort of like HDD low level formatting..

    I am trying to use them mostly for MY stuff, rather than background opperating system functions.. I got the OS/SYSTEM drive to be much like a ROM; with as little drive writes as possible to the SSD array, and all of my other OS random/system drive writes moved over to an outside track partition, of a pair of mechanical drives, RAID 0.. Things that I prefer to use the SSD's for are like videogame small files, with few to no updates/patches to those games.. to get the most read speed and lowest "access/latency" for better game play, less jumpy/gittery ingame graphics, and less loading time between maps/tracks etc..

    Performance wise, the SSD's are MUCH faster than mechanical disks.... Windows load times are faster, program load times are faster.. etc.. need to open a photo, click boom it's open at full resolution, then final dithering/rendering "Canon DPP software loads big photos from CD/DVD and mechanical disks much slower than the SSD..

    Need to open all of your applications at once, use a batch file.. see how long it takes on a regular Hard disk, then compare it to the same setup using an SSD..

    If you are able to view video's on youtube, there are a few really good examples of just how fast things are with SSD's. It was a needed improvement in PC's, regarding Data bottlenecking that standard hard disks have. We still need a bit more speed, newer SSD's and SATA channels are coming out that should make things alot faster than they are now.
    Cool, good info and also chives with what I have been reading during my online searches. I am quite happy with my 2x 150GB Raptors in RAID-0 setup but I still want to ge a SSD!

    Quote Originally Posted by cauzomb View Post
    these are the three "re-occuring" files on my system drive that are bugging me..
    C:\windows\Sti_Trace.log 0 bytes
    C:\windows\WindowsUpdate.log 322 bytes
    C:\windows\Debug\UserMode\userenv.log 672 bytes
    Everything else/logs/temp files etc are on another non SSD partition..
    Is this system Windows 7 or ...?

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    OS is xp pro 32bit, I've found a couple of interesting posts regarding the windows update log, but nothing solid yet.

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