basically what i ment is that AVG wont update at all. it finds them but errors out. and if you check on windows security applet it tell you i have no anti-virus assigned, and when u select one to assign it wont find it. this is a bit of an old post though as i ditch it for an anti-virus i got from my service provider (like they provided me a CD with my last bill). so yeah its found alot and if u go to me thread in spyware/threat subforum called "a recurring problem" with a new problem that was most likely causing the other one.