superantispyware vs Malwarebytes

[AMUN]

"Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ge2p1e$p04$1@aioe.org>, antispam@sparmmstop.net says...
>> "Safer" maybe, but if a rootkit has your name on it, it's only a matter
>> of
>> time before it gets you.
>>
>
> In my 30 years of using computers I've never personally had a virus or
> "root-kit" on any of them. In all my years of designing secure networks
> I've never had a compromised system on any managed network.
>
> It's all about knowing the vectors and how to control exposure.
>


I truly am happy for all those posting they NEVER have had infections.
But at the same time, you probably lock yourself out of the majority of the
internet to do so, or have simply been lucky.

With idiots writing new code daily, the odds are you are going to be
infected with "something " eventually.
Even if you take every measure possible today, you don't know what tomorrow
will bring.
Especially if you run Windoze.

I do try to keep on top of things, but you can't always have every
application up to date, and even windows security updates are only issued
AFTER a new virus/trojan surfaces.

However while I can't say I've never been infected, I usually catch things
that are not supposed to be there quickly and before they can do much
damage.
However, nothing will ever replace regular backup's as the best anti-malware
step you can take.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

AMUN wrote:

> I truly am happy for all those posting they NEVER have had infections.
> But at the same time, you probably lock yourself out of the majority
> of the internet to do so, or have simply been lucky.

Thank you for being happy for me. <g>

And no, I have not locked myself out of anything.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows

[Dustin Cook]

"AMUN" <antispam@sparmmstop.net> wrote in news:ge39i2$gi4$1@aioe.org:

> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.236eb2b6a5d69c6e98968f@us.news.astraweb.c om...
>> In article <ge2p1e$p04$1@aioe.org>, antispam@sparmmstop.net says...
>>> "Safer" maybe, but if a rootkit has your name on it, it's only a
>>> matter of
>>> time before it gets you.
>>>
>>
>> In my 30 years of using computers I've never personally had a virus
>> or "root-kit" on any of them. In all my years of designing secure
>> networks I've never had a compromised system on any managed network.
>>
>> It's all about knowing the vectors and how to control exposure.
>>
>
>
> I truly am happy for all those posting they NEVER have had infections.
> But at the same time, you probably lock yourself out of the majority
> of the internet to do so, or have simply been lucky.

Strange, I'm not locked out of anything, routinely use Administrator
accounts (hehehe), and I've never been infected by anything from the
web... except during testing and analysis, and that's quiet deliberate on
my part.

> However while I can't say I've never been infected, I usually catch
> things that are not supposed to be there quickly and before they can
> do much damage.

I don't know what it is you do, or what applications you use, nor do I
know how many others have access to your computer, so I can't say what's
actually the problem. I can pretty much say tho, somebody who has access
isn't practicing safe hex.

> However, nothing will ever replace regular backup's as the best
> anti-malware step you can take.

Backups aren't for malware, alone. Hardware failure can take your data
too. You have a higher chance of a hard disk failure than you do of
catching a virus if and only if you practice safe hex. One you can
prevent, the other isn't much upto you.


--
Regards,
Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter
BugHunter - http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
MalwareBytes - http://www.malwarebytes.org

[AMUN]

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B43EB2F13D5DHHI2948AJD832@69.16.185.250.. .
> "AMUN" <antispam@sparmmstop.net> wrote in news:ge39i2$gi4$1@aioe.org:
>
>> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.236eb2b6a5d69c6e98968f@us.news.astraweb.c om...
>>> In article <ge2p1e$p04$1@aioe.org>, antispam@sparmmstop.net says...
>>>> "Safer" maybe, but if a rootkit has your name on it, it's only a
>>>> matter of
>>>> time before it gets you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my 30 years of using computers I've never personally had a virus
>>> or "root-kit" on any of them. In all my years of designing secure
>>> networks I've never had a compromised system on any managed network.
>>>
>>> It's all about knowing the vectors and how to control exposure.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I truly am happy for all those posting they NEVER have had infections.
>> But at the same time, you probably lock yourself out of the majority
>> of the internet to do so, or have simply been lucky.
>
> Strange, I'm not locked out of anything, routinely use Administrator
> accounts (hehehe), and I've never been infected by anything from the
> web... except during testing and analysis, and that's quiet deliberate on
> my part.
>
>> However while I can't say I've never been infected, I usually catch
>> things that are not supposed to be there quickly and before they can
>> do much damage.
>
> I don't know what it is you do, or what applications you use, nor do I
> know how many others have access to your computer, so I can't say what's
> actually the problem. I can pretty much say tho, somebody who has access
> isn't practicing safe hex.


Welllllll, with 5 people in the house, (3 kids), and several systems
networked, there is no way to keep everything out.
The kids aren't supposed to use my system (they have their own), but as it's
in my office, they often do for homework, and I won't stop them from doing
that.
But they have been taught what to normally avoid, and if they think a system
might be infected, it's immediately shut down until I can check it.

But I'm sure many others in my position, have systems so loaded with garbage
they won't even run, so I think I'm doing a fairly good job.<g>


>
>> However, nothing will ever replace regular backup's as the best
>> anti-malware step you can take.
>
> Backups aren't for malware, alone. Hardware failure can take your data
> too. You have a higher chance of a hard disk failure than you do of
> catching a virus if and only if you practice safe hex. One you can
> prevent, the other isn't much upto you.


Absolutely agree.
The backup was a habit I got into years ago, (when drives were far less
reliable) and often serves little use.
But when its needed......if a drive starts acting up, or somebody erases the
wrong files, or a terminal virus brings all the systems down.
It sure is nice to have, and lets me sleep well every night knowing it's
there.

[Dustin Cook]

"AMUN" <antispam@sparmmstop.net> wrote in news:ge3net$pl7$1@aioe.org:

> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9B43EB2F13D5DHHI2948AJD832@69.16.185.250.. .

>> I don't know what it is you do, or what applications you use, nor do
>> I know how many others have access to your computer, so I can't say
>> what's actually the problem. I can pretty much say tho, somebody who
>> has access isn't practicing safe hex.
>
>
> Welllllll, with 5 people in the house, (3 kids), and several systems
> networked, there is no way to keep everything out.
> The kids aren't supposed to use my system (they have their own), but
> as it's in my office, they often do for homework, and I won't stop
> them from doing that.
> But they have been taught what to normally avoid, and if they think a
> system might be infected, it's immediately shut down until I can check
> it.

Aha! It's alright; considering the potential amount of users your machine
comes in contact with, the fact your rarely infected is outstanding.

> But I'm sure many others in my position, have systems so loaded with
> garbage they won't even run, so I think I'm doing a fairly good
> job.<g>

Yes, by comparison, you certainly are.

>> Backups aren't for malware, alone. Hardware failure can take your
>> data too. You have a higher chance of a hard disk failure than you do
>> of catching a virus if and only if you practice safe hex. One you can
>> prevent, the other isn't much upto you.
>
>
> Absolutely agree.
> The backup was a habit I got into years ago, (when drives were far
> less reliable) and often serves little use.
> But when its needed......if a drive starts acting up, or somebody
> erases the wrong files, or a terminal virus brings all the systems
> down. It sure is nice to have, and lets me sleep well every night
> knowing it's there.

Indeed! I'm overly paranoid I suppose when it comes to backups. I just
don't want to lose anything important, so everything routinely gets
backed up. hehehe.


--
Regards,
Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter
BugHunter - http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
MalwareBytes - http://www.malwarebytes.org

[Leythos]

In article <ge39i2$gi4$1@aioe.org>, antispam@sparmmstop.net says...
>
> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.236eb2b6a5d69c6e98968f@us.news.astraweb.c om...
> > In article <ge2p1e$p04$1@aioe.org>, antispam@sparmmstop.net says...
> >> "Safer" maybe, but if a rootkit has your name on it, it's only a matter
> >> of
> >> time before it gets you.
> >>
> >
> > In my 30 years of using computers I've never personally had a virus or
> > "root-kit" on any of them. In all my years of designing secure networks
> > I've never had a compromised system on any managed network.
> >
> > It's all about knowing the vectors and how to control exposure.
> >
>
>
> I truly am happy for all those posting they NEVER have had infections.
> But at the same time, you probably lock yourself out of the majority of the
> internet to do so, or have simply been lucky.

That's not true at all. The internet is a vast place and most of it is
worthless. There are very rich areas that many don't know about, and
there are common areas that are rich with content that most know about.

Look at it like a State - you're not missing much from most locations.

> With idiots writing new code daily, the odds are you are going to be
> infected with "something " eventually.
> Even if you take every measure possible today, you don't know what tomorrow
> will bring.
> Especially if you run Windoze.

You're wrong, you don't understand it well enough to see that it's
fairly easy to remain safe. Once you understand the threats and how you
get compromised you can avoid them.

> I do try to keep on top of things, but you can't always have every
> application up to date, and even windows security updates are only issued
> AFTER a new virus/trojan surfaces.

That explains that you don't understand - I ran servers on networks that
were unpatched for years, in fact I don't normally install patches for
weeks...

> However while I can't say I've never been infected, I usually catch things
> that are not supposed to be there quickly and before they can do much
> damage.

It's easy to understand the entry points, to protect yourself, and you
don't have to miss the beauty of the net while doing it.

> However, nothing will ever replace regular backup's as the best anti-malware
> step you can take.

Wrong, backups can be compromised before you find out that you've been
compromised. The best method to protect yourself is to understand the
entry methods and take measures to prevent entry.


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