Please suggest a browser that does not spy on me by default

[Shadow]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:57:57 -0400, What's in a Name?
<maxwachtel@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Shadow wrote:
>> Look at the definition of spyware before suggesting something please.
>> TIA
>What's wrong with the one you've been using?
Well, take this with a pinch of salt, but if you get my
meaning :
It communicates with the owners, right out of the box. No
asking me for permission first. Also anything I type into the search
box is sent out, BEFORE I press the "send button". It also checks all
the sites I visit are adequate, as if I was some evil pedophile.
Cookies are kept by default. Two add-ons I use phone home sending
data. And they are both for security !!!! I have automatic updates
unchecked, but it phones to the update site and sends a load of
encrypted stuff. In some operating systems, the user agent flag is set
to identify me (I always change it to googlebot just to piss them off)
Suse linux was very elegant. A box popped up:
"You have to send your personal data to Novell, or else you
will get no updates or help and we will format your hard drive and
maybe even kill you". Or something like that.
Honest of them.
Pity Suse didn't work.

As to an operating system, windows XP and Vista ARE spyware.
So that would leave windows 9x, linux (excluding ubuntu and other
"popular distros"), something sexy like solaris, BSD, OS2 warp ....
you name it

Something I can surf the web and not spy on me.... like in the
old days, I always knew what trumpet winsock / Netscape was up to

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Shadow" <sh@dow>

| On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:57:57 -0400, What's in a Name?
| <maxwachtel@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>Shadow wrote:
>>> Look at the definition of spyware before suggesting something please.
>>> TIA
>>What's wrong with the one you've been using?
| Well, take this with a pinch of salt, but if you get my
| meaning :
| It communicates with the owners, right out of the box. No
| asking me for permission first. Also anything I type into the search
| box is sent out, BEFORE I press the "send button". It also checks all
| the sites I visit are adequate, as if I was some evil pedophile.
| Cookies are kept by default. Two add-ons I use phone home sending
| data. And they are both for security !!!! I have automatic updates
| unchecked, but it phones to the update site and sends a load of
| encrypted stuff. In some operating systems, the user agent flag is set
| to identify me (I always change it to googlebot just to piss them off)
| Suse linux was very elegant. A box popped up:
| "You have to send your personal data to Novell, or else you
| will get no updates or help and we will format your hard drive and
| maybe even kill you". Or something like that.
| Honest of them.
| Pity Suse didn't work.

| As to an operating system, windows XP and Vista ARE spyware.
| So that would leave windows 9x, linux (excluding ubuntu and other
| "popular distros"), something sexy like solaris, BSD, OS2 warp ....
| you name it

| Something I can surf the web and not spy on me.... like in the
| old days, I always knew what trumpet winsock / Netscape was up to

Your statements are false. Nether OS' you stated are "spyware".

Just becuase a browser checks "home" for updates does not make it "spyware" either.

Your definition of "spyware" is erroneous at best.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Shadow]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:08:45 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

>From: "Shadow" <sh@dow>
>
>| On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:57:57 -0400, What's in a Name?
>| <maxwachtel@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>Shadow wrote:
>>>> Look at the definition of spyware before suggesting something please.
>>>> TIA
>>>What's wrong with the one you've been using?
>| Well, take this with a pinch of salt, but if you get my
>| meaning :
>| It communicates with the owners, right out of the box. No
>| asking me for permission first. Also anything I type into the search
>| box is sent out, BEFORE I press the "send button". It also checks all
>| the sites I visit are adequate, as if I was some evil pedophile.
>| Cookies are kept by default. Two add-ons I use phone home sending
>| data. And they are both for security !!!! I have automatic updates
>| unchecked, but it phones to the update site and sends a load of
>| encrypted stuff. In some operating systems, the user agent flag is set
>| to identify me (I always change it to googlebot just to piss them off)
>| Suse linux was very elegant. A box popped up:
>| "You have to send your personal data to Novell, or else you
>| will get no updates or help and we will format your hard drive and
>| maybe even kill you". Or something like that.
>| Honest of them.
>| Pity Suse didn't work.
>
>| As to an operating system, windows XP and Vista ARE spyware.
>| So that would leave windows 9x, linux (excluding ubuntu and other
>| "popular distros"), something sexy like solaris, BSD, OS2 warp ....
>| you name it
>
>| Something I can surf the web and not spy on me.... like in the
>| old days, I always knew what trumpet winsock / Netscape was up to
>
>Your statements are false. Nether OS' you stated are "spyware".
>
>Just becuase a browser checks "home" for updates does not make it "spyware" either.
>
>Your definition of "spyware" is erroneous at best.
So the FAQ is wrong. Please correct it.
Quote:

- Some applications phone home for potentially benign reasons, such as
an auto-update.

If features like these default to "off," that's usually not a problem.
If they come up with an alert box clearly and fully
disclosing all relevant information and asking the user for permission
to connect, that's usually not a problem. If, however, their default
setting is to phone home without specific and explicit user approval,
that should be presumptively considered spyware, as the user has no
way to know what information will be actually up / downloaded, to
whom, when, or why.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Shadow" <sh@dow>

| On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:08:45 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
| <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

>>From: "Shadow" <sh@dow>

>>| On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:57:57 -0400, What's in a Name?
>>| <maxwachtel@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>>>Shadow wrote:
>>>>> Look at the definition of spyware before suggesting something please.
>>>>> TIA
>>>>What's wrong with the one you've been using?
>>| Well, take this with a pinch of salt, but if you get my
>>| meaning :
>>| It communicates with the owners, right out of the box. No
>>| asking me for permission first. Also anything I type into the search
>>| box is sent out, BEFORE I press the "send button". It also checks all
>>| the sites I visit are adequate, as if I was some evil pedophile.
>>| Cookies are kept by default. Two add-ons I use phone home sending
>>| data. And they are both for security !!!! I have automatic updates
>>| unchecked, but it phones to the update site and sends a load of
>>| encrypted stuff. In some operating systems, the user agent flag is set
>>| to identify me (I always change it to googlebot just to piss them off)
>>| Suse linux was very elegant. A box popped up:
>>| "You have to send your personal data to Novell, or else you
>>| will get no updates or help and we will format your hard drive and
>>| maybe even kill you". Or something like that.
>>| Honest of them.
>>| Pity Suse didn't work.

>>| As to an operating system, windows XP and Vista ARE spyware.
>>| So that would leave windows 9x, linux (excluding ubuntu and other
>>| "popular distros"), something sexy like solaris, BSD, OS2 warp ....
>>| you name it

>>| Something I can surf the web and not spy on me.... like in the
>>| old days, I always knew what trumpet winsock / Netscape was up to

>>Your statements are false. Nether OS' you stated are "spyware".

>>Just becuase a browser checks "home" for updates does not make it "spyware" either.

>>Your definition of "spyware" is erroneous at best.
| So the FAQ is wrong. Please correct it.
| Quote:

| - Some applications phone home for potentially benign reasons, such as
| an auto-update.

| If features like these default to "off," that's usually not a problem.
| If they come up with an alert box clearly and fully
| disclosing all relevant information and asking the user for permission
| to connect, that's usually not a problem. If, however, their default
| setting is to phone home without specific and explicit user approval,
| that should be presumptively considered spyware, as the user has no
| way to know what information will be actually up / downloaded, to
| whom, when, or why.

Whatever the FAQ is it is an unqualified statement.


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp