AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

[Dave Seven]

Gaz wrote:

> Maybe it uses the Norton Internet Security method, by making your computer
> using experieince so slow and pointless as to stop you using the computer as
> much.
>
> Gaz
>
>

Yea, but nothing can be as bad as Norton. Those mofos don't even provide
a proper uninstaller with the program and you have to go download a
utility from their website if you want your PC Norton free once again.

I have a few PCs here so should probably install AVG 8.0 one one of them
just to see how customizable it is and what the differences are.

[Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer]

On Wed, 07 May 2008, Dave Seven <notfor@email.invalid> wrote:
>Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess it comes down to what the end-user considers to be more important,
>> anti-virus, or anti-spyware? I know they're both important, but I'm pretty
>> sure that anti-virus is more important. In fact I know it is. You should
>> read through all the improvements to AVG Free 8.0. According to the
>> manufacturer, it's a lot better than the old AVG Free 7.5. And my computer
>> is
>> running so much faster and smoother since I uninstalled S&D and
>> SpywareBlaster,
>> I can't imagine why anyone would opt out of the AVG freeware upgrade?
>>
>> They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. lol!
>
>I think you are an AVG employee using an anon remailer. The layered
>approach to spyware is the best approach so trusting just AVG for
>spyware scans and dumping Spybot and Spywareblaster (two progs I have
>been using for years now and trust) is just dumb. I would upgrade to
>ver. 8.0 but not if it causes issues for those two other anti-spyware
>progs. They should fix the issue and then I will start using it.

Believe what you want. Everybody knows that a good freeware anti-virus
program is definitely more important than a good freeware anti-spyware program.
The new AVG Free 8.0 contains both. Logic dictates that the anti-virus program
must take precedent over the incompatible S&D and SpywareBlaster, and the fact
that AVG Free 8.0 now includes their anti-spyware component settles the
argument, at least for me it does. And besides, my computer is running much
faster and smoother than it did with S&D, "tea timer" and all that bogging it
down. I'll never go back to it.

--
Ckyp

[Gaz]

Dave Seven wrote:
> Gaz wrote:
>
>> Try installing avg 8.0 on an older machine, you will see why. I
>> could quite confidently take norton 06/07/08 off a win xp machine
>> with 256/512 mb of memory, and replace it with avg 7.0/7.5 and see a
>> visible and clear improvement in speed of a system. That is no
>> longer the case. I will ahve to start using Avira Antivir, i am trying it
>> out now, so
>> far ok, seems pretty limited though.
>>
>> Gaz
>
> I never run any AV software with a resident shield for this reason. If
> they don't have an option to disable the resident shield I don't use
> it. I would never trust any AV software to heal an infected machine
> either. All they are good for is reporting if you have a virus or
> not. If it reports positive then you wipe the drive and re-install the OS.
> Or preferably just restore an image file using a prog like
> Acronis True Image. I scan all files I download and now and again do
> a system scan. Never been infected yet but that is because I know how
> to set up my PC with some pre-emptive protection. I don't need a
> resident AV prog slowing my web browsing down to the speed of a 486
> when I pay big bucks for a fast PC.

However, most people do need protection......

Gaz

[Gaz]

Dave Seven wrote:
> Gaz wrote:
>
>> Maybe it uses the Norton Internet Security method, by making your
>> computer using experieince so slow and pointless as to stop you
>> using the computer as much.
>>
>> Gaz
>>
>>
>
> Yea, but nothing can be as bad as Norton. Those mofos don't even
> provide a proper uninstaller with the program and you have to go
> download a utility from their website if you want your PC Norton free
> once again.
> I have a few PCs here so should probably install AVG 8.0 one one of
> them just to see how customizable it is and what the differences are.

Came across the AVG 8.0 Security suite, which seems to include anti virus,
anti spyware, spam checker, firewall, rootkit, coffee maker, kitchen sink
etc.

Customer insisted they wanted it installed, system 2.6 celeron, 512mb of
memory, very lean startup (courtesy of hijackthis), all temp files cleaned
(courtesy of crapcleaner), windows animations turned off, just the absolute
necessity, the machine was as fast as it could realistically be, even with
aol, the chosen provider/

Installed AVG 8.0 security suite, and it went from nice and zippy, to wading
through treacle. The startup wasnt to bad, maybe an extra 20 seconds or so,
internet explorer was a bit slower, but managable, however the aol browser
was awful, it went from ok to dial up style speed. Not jsut the loading of
the software, but the actual internet speed reduced, web browsing was like a
14.4k modem. IE7 seemed ok, if just a bit slower.

I am so disapointed in a programme i have used and raved about for half a
decade.

Gaz

[Dave Seven]

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> Believe what you want. Everybody knows that a good freeware anti-virus
> program is definitely more important than a good freeware anti-spyware program.
> The new AVG Free 8.0 contains both. Logic dictates that the anti-virus program
> must take precedent over the incompatible S&D and SpywareBlaster, and the fact
> that AVG Free 8.0 now includes their anti-spyware component settles the
> argument, at least for me it does. And besides, my computer is running much
> faster and smoother than it did with S&D, "tea timer" and all that bogging it
> down. I'll never go back to it.
>
> --
> Ckyp

I never use TeaTimer, that is optional. In Vista Defender is always
running so don't want 3rd party crap running too. I never said don't use
AV software. I said that I don't want ver 8.0 if it screws up my other
software. I still have AV protection with ver 7.5. I don't think ver 8.0
is going to catch anymore virii than ver. 7.5 will so there is no
benefit to using ver. 8.0 for me.

[Dave Seven]

Gaz wrote:

> I am so disapointed in a programme i have used and raved about for half a
> decade.
>
> Gaz
>
>

It happens. Look at Adaware. The version prior to 2007 version was great
then they force us to use the latest and it is crap.

[Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer]

On Thu, 08 May 2008, Dave Seven <notfor@email.invalid> wrote:
>Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
>
>> Believe what you want. Everybody knows that a good freeware anti-virus
>> program is definitely more important than a good freeware anti-spyware
>> program.
>> The new AVG Free 8.0 contains both. Logic dictates that the anti-virus
>> program
>> must take precedent over the incompatible S&D and SpywareBlaster, and the
>> fact
>> that AVG Free 8.0 now includes their anti-spyware component settles the
>> argument, at least for me it does. And besides, my computer is running much
>> faster and smoother than it did with S&D, "tea timer" and all that bogging it
>> down. I'll never go back to it.
>>
>
>I never use TeaTimer, that is optional. In Vista Defender is always
>running so don't want 3rd party crap running too. I never said don't use
>AV software. I said that I don't want ver 8.0 if it screws up my other
>software. I still have AV protection with ver 7.5. I don't think ver 8.0
>is going to catch anymore virii than ver. 7.5 will so there is no
>benefit to using ver. 8.0 for me.

Another really good freeware program is "Nfilter" proxy. I use it to filter
out spammers, googlegroups abusers, and your basic "ignore everything that has
already been said in the thread, and argue only for the sake of stupidity"
geniuses. As in this case, using regular expressions, I've added the following
lines, since most people in the "alt.privacy" hierarchy are intelligent enough
to use remailers:

alt.privacy* drop user-agent:*Thunderbird*
alt.privacy* drop x-complaints-to:abuse@shaw.ca

You get the last word, "dave." lol!

--
Ckyp

[Dave Seven]

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:

> You get the last word, "dave." lol!
>
> --
> Ckyp

Only people who use/need remailers are wanker trolls and people up to no
good. In your case you are most definitely in the wanker troll category.

[Gaz]

"Dave Seven" <notfor@email.invalid> wrote in message
news:MewUj.121417$rd2.3298@pd7urf3no...
> Gaz wrote:
>
>> I am so disapointed in a programme i have used and raved about for half a
>> decade.
>>
>> Gaz
>
> It happens. Look at Adaware. The version prior to 2007 version was great
> then they force us to use the latest and it is crap.

Superantispyware combined with spywareblaster, I feel is an excellent
combination.

Gaz

[Judicandus]

On May 7, 9:28 pm, "Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> wrote:
> Dave Seven wrote:
> > Gaz wrote:
>
> >> Maybe it uses the Norton Internet Security method, by making your
> >> computer using experieince so slow and pointless as to stop you
> >> using the computer as much.
>
> >> Gaz
>
> > Yea, but nothing can be as bad as Norton. Those mofos don't even
> > provide a proper uninstaller with the program and you have to go
> > download a utility from their website if you want your PC Norton free
> > once again.
> > I have a few PCs here so should probably install AVG 8.0 one one of
> > them just to see how customizable it is and what the differences are.
>
> Came across the AVG 8.0 Security suite, which seems to include anti virus,
> anti spyware, spam checker, firewall, rootkit, coffee maker, kitchen sink
> etc.
>
> Customer insisted they wanted it installed, system 2.6 celeron, 512mb of
> memory, very lean startup (courtesy of hijackthis), all temp files cleaned
> (courtesy of crapcleaner), windows animations turned off, just the absolute
> necessity, the machine was as fast as it could realistically be, even with
> aol, the chosen provider/
>
> Installed AVG 8.0 security suite, and it went from nice and zippy, to wading
> through treacle. The startup wasnt to bad, maybe an extra 20 seconds or so,
> internet explorer was a bit slower, but managable, however the aol browser
> was awful, it went from ok to dial up style speed. Not jsut the loading of
> the software, but the actual internet speed reduced, web browsing was like a
> 14.4k modem. IE7 seemed ok, if just a bit slower.
>
> I am so disapointed in a programme i have used and raved about for half a
> decade.
>
> Gaz

Well, the slowdown might be caused by an incompability between the AOL
browser and the Web Shield component. A 20 seconds slowdown is
considerable and shouldn't be normal. In my personal opinion, 5 to 10s
slowdown is normal. The fact that IE7 gets a bit slower is probably
because Web Shield is installed and it checks all content downloaded
from the internet (with windows vista it might get extremely slow if a
bug fix is not installed, see: http://www.grisoft.com/ww.support , FAQ
1177 ).
From my personal tests, the virus detection rate by AVG got a lot
better (unfortunately it doesn't seem like there are any comparatives
that use the 8.0, if anyone has a trustworthy website with such
analysis I would appreciate it).

Some specific information is that, first, in AVG 7.5 Anti-Malware, for
example, the engines were separate (there was Ewido's engine, and
AVG's engine, therefore being a bit heavy on the system). Now they
have redesigned the whole engine so that spyware and virus would be
detected by the same engine. This has increased performance and memory
used considerably (in comparison to antivirus + antispyware however).
For AVG Free customers, most probably it will be a little bit heavier
since it now contains also the Anti-Spyware protection.

Considering the RAM memory, it really depends on which other programs
the user uses. 512 ram should be fine for users who don't use memory
consuming programs (like skype for example), it's always best to have
more ram memory than the normally occupied.

For some specific technical reasons, it is now possible to add
specific instructions faster to AVG's core, so that it is much easier
to add new functionalities for threat detection to AVG without
necessary modifying the core. Virus definitions and new features can
now be added almost instantaneously.

There shouldn't be any problems with the free version. Specifically
talking about the payed version, I've seen some people having problems
with the Firewall (in some cases it might conflict with the hardware
blocking the internet connection) and with the Web Shield (I've heard
some people having problems with a real slowdown of the computer, the
only practical solution is to uninstall that component in particular).

I guess this is pretty much it.