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  1. #31
    Gaz Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    Judicandus wrote:
    > On May 7, 9:28 pm, "Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> wrote:
    >> Dave Seven wrote:
    >>> Gaz wrote:

    >>
    >>>> Maybe it uses the Norton Internet Security method, by making your
    >>>> computer using experieince so slow and pointless as to stop you
    >>>> using the computer as much.

    >>
    >>>> Gaz

    >>
    >>> Yea, but nothing can be as bad as Norton. Those mofos don't even
    >>> provide a proper uninstaller with the program and you have to go
    >>> download a utility from their website if you want your PC Norton
    >>> free once again.
    >>> I have a few PCs here so should probably install AVG 8.0 one one of
    >>> them just to see how customizable it is and what the differences
    >>> are.

    >>
    >> Came across the AVG 8.0 Security suite, which seems to include anti
    >> virus, anti spyware, spam checker, firewall, rootkit, coffee maker,
    >> kitchen sink etc.
    >>
    >> Customer insisted they wanted it installed, system 2.6 celeron,
    >> 512mb of memory, very lean startup (courtesy of hijackthis), all
    >> temp files cleaned (courtesy of crapcleaner), windows animations
    >> turned off, just the absolute necessity, the machine was as fast as
    >> it could realistically be, even with aol, the chosen provider/
    >>
    >> Installed AVG 8.0 security suite, and it went from nice and zippy,
    >> to wading through treacle. The startup wasnt to bad, maybe an extra
    >> 20 seconds or so, internet explorer was a bit slower, but managable,
    >> however the aol browser was awful, it went from ok to dial up style
    >> speed. Not jsut the loading of the software, but the actual internet
    >> speed reduced, web browsing was like a
    >> 14.4k modem. IE7 seemed ok, if just a bit slower.
    >>
    >> I am so disapointed in a programme i have used and raved about for
    >> half a decade.
    >>
    >> Gaz

    >
    > Well, the slowdown might be caused by an incompability between the AOL
    > browser and the Web Shield component. A 20 seconds slowdown is
    > considerable and shouldn't be normal. In my personal opinion, 5 to 10s
    > slowdown is normal. The fact that IE7 gets a bit slower is probably
    > because Web Shield is installed and it checks all content downloaded
    > from the internet (with windows vista it might get extremely slow if a
    > bug fix is not installed, see: http://www.grisoft.com/ww.support , FAQ
    > 1177 ).
    > From my personal tests, the virus detection rate by AVG got a lot
    > better (unfortunately it doesn't seem like there are any comparatives
    > that use the 8.0, if anyone has a trustworthy website with such
    > analysis I would appreciate it).
    >
    > Some specific information is that, first, in AVG 7.5 Anti-Malware, for
    > example, the engines were separate (there was Ewido's engine, and
    > AVG's engine, therefore being a bit heavy on the system). Now they
    > have redesigned the whole engine so that spyware and virus would be
    > detected by the same engine. This has increased performance and memory
    > used considerably (in comparison to antivirus + antispyware however).
    > For AVG Free customers, most probably it will be a little bit heavier
    > since it now contains also the Anti-Spyware protection.
    >
    > Considering the RAM memory, it really depends on which other programs
    > the user uses. 512 ram should be fine for users who don't use memory
    > consuming programs (like skype for example), it's always best to have
    > more ram memory than the normally occupied.
    >
    > For some specific technical reasons, it is now possible to add
    > specific instructions faster to AVG's core, so that it is much easier
    > to add new functionalities for threat detection to AVG without
    > necessary modifying the core. Virus definitions and new features can
    > now be added almost instantaneously.
    >
    > There shouldn't be any problems with the free version. Specifically
    > talking about the payed version, I've seen some people having problems
    > with the Firewall (in some cases it might conflict with the hardware
    > blocking the internet connection) and with the Web Shield (I've heard
    > some people having problems with a real slowdown of the computer, the
    > only practical solution is to uninstall that component in particular).
    >
    > I guess this is pretty much it.


    An issue i had also, installing another paid for avg 8.0 suite, the firewall
    is quite tricky to configure, it automatically scans the system for
    programmes that should require internet access. The automatic system seems
    to screw up permission rules for Outlook Express, it allows incoming email
    by pop, but blocks smtp on port 25. I needed to change to an alternative
    port to get email to work.

    Gaz



  2. #32
    TacAN Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???


    "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    > Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint then
    > avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is sluggish and adds
    > considerable time to boot up. I would no longer recommend AVG for an older
    > machine (less then 1gb and slower then dual core).
    >
    > Gaz
    >


    What peeves me about the new release .....

    I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected *over*
    10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus assorted other
    nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    All of these were references in the registry.

    My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple of other
    scanners that I use reported nothing!!!

    Any thoughts on what is going on???

    Graham



  3. #33
    TacAN Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???


    "CGB" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
    news:X7WdnWwp6L0_yILVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
    > Dave and Gaz, I think I agree with you both.
    >
    > I ran a full scan with AVG version 8 after already having negative scans
    > from Spybot, Adaware, A-squared, and using Spyware Blaster. CCleaner had
    > shown no registry issues (I know it's not an antispyware thing but just
    > threw this info in fwiw.) AVG version 8 found "no infections" and "no
    > spyware," but it gave 214 warnings!!! I'm pretty sure my machine is
    > clean and I opted to not let it clean out the warnings, all of which would
    > have required it to edit the registry!
    >
    > Interesting. I don't know what to make of the "warnings" which say all
    > those things are "potentially dangerous."
    >
    > Carl


    Same here but it detected over 10,000 "warnings" on my pc.
    Doing a quick calculation - if I deleted all of these warnings (registry
    items) the sum total of items deleted would exceed the size of the registry.

    What gives??

    Graham



  4. #34
    Gaz Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???


    "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >
    > "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    > news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint then
    >> avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is sluggish and adds
    >> considerable time to boot up. I would no longer recommend AVG for an
    >> older machine (less then 1gb and slower then dual core).
    >>
    >> Gaz
    >>

    >
    > What peeves me about the new release .....
    >
    > I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected *over*
    > 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus assorted other
    > nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    > All of these were references in the registry.
    >
    > My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple of other
    > scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    >
    > Any thoughts on what is going on???
    >
    > Graham


    False positive caused by spyware blaster immunisation entries?

    Gaz



  5. #35
    jen Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >
    > "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    > news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint then
    >> avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is sluggish and
    >> adds considerable time to boot up. I would no longer recommend AVG
    >> for an older machine (less then 1gb and slower then dual core).

    > What peeves me about the new release .....
    > I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected *over*
    > 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus assorted
    > other nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    > All of these were references in the registry.
    > My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple of
    > other scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    > Any thoughts on what is going on???


    Most probably it's this issue...

    "potentially dangerous" entries in my registry, specifically under
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatability
    http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=

    "just so you know- avg 8.0 free and pro has an incompatibility issue
    with spybwareblaster and spybot search and destroy. If you see the
    ie/compatablility active x registry keys, it is because these programs
    use this type of scripting to stop active x in registry keys.
    A lot of discussion on wilders security forums are about this and I
    spoke to a representative at AVG Technologies, because i too am getting
    them and i am a reseller for AVG and do not need all my clients
    panicking when they see these.
    The tech told me as long as they are in the "warning" tab to just ignore
    them. Some have found if you remove them to the virus vault then delete
    them, wierd things start happing with Windows.
    Javacool who makes spywareblaster is suppose to talk to AVG Technologies
    and figure this out."
    http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=

    -jen



  6. #36
    jen Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message
    news:dLgVj.35327$3v1.11297@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
    > "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    > news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >> "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    >> news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint then
    >>> avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is sluggish and
    >>> adds considerable time to boot up. I would no longer recommend AVG
    >>> for an older machine (less then 1gb and slower then dual core).

    >> What peeves me about the new release .....
    >> I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected
    >> *over* 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus
    >> assorted other nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    >> All of these were references in the registry.
    >> My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple of
    >> other scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    >> Any thoughts on what is going on???

    > Most probably it's this issue...
    > "potentially dangerous" entries in my registry, specifically under
    > HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatability
    > http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=
    > "just so you know- avg 8.0 free and pro has an incompatibility issue
    > with spybwareblaster and spybot search and destroy. If you see the
    > ie/compatablility active x registry keys, it is because these programs
    > use this type of scripting to stop active x in registry keys.
    > A lot of discussion on wilders security forums are about this and I
    > spoke to a representative at AVG Technologies, because i too am
    > getting
    > them and i am a reseller for AVG and do not need all my clients
    > panicking when they see these.
    > The tech told me as long as they are in the "warning" tab to just
    > ignore
    > them. Some have found if you remove them to the virus vault then
    > delete
    > them, wierd things start happing with Windows.
    > Javacool who makes spywareblaster is suppose to talk to AVG
    > Technologies
    > and figure this out."
    > http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=


    Here's the FAQ on the issue:
    AVG 8.0 Virus FAQ:
    1198: Infection detected in "ActiveX Compatibility" registry key
    http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1198#faq_1198

    -jen



  7. #37
    DrumStick Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    jen explained :
    > "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:dLgVj.35327$3v1.11297@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
    >> "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    >> news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >>> "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint then
    >>>> avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is sluggish and adds
    >>>> considerable time to boot up. I would no longer recommend AVG for an
    >>>> older machine (less then 1gb and slower then dual core).
    >>> What peeves me about the new release .....
    >>> I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected *over*
    >>> 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus assorted other
    >>> nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    >>> All of these were references in the registry.
    >>> My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple of other
    >>> scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    >>> Any thoughts on what is going on???

    >> Most probably it's this issue...
    >> "potentially dangerous" entries in my registry, specifically under
    >> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatability
    >> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=
    >> "just so you know- avg 8.0 free and pro has an incompatibility issue
    >> with spybwareblaster and spybot search and destroy. If you see the
    >> ie/compatablility active x registry keys, it is because these programs
    >> use this type of scripting to stop active x in registry keys.
    >> A lot of discussion on wilders security forums are about this and I
    >> spoke to a representative at AVG Technologies, because i too am getting
    >> them and i am a reseller for AVG and do not need all my clients
    >> panicking when they see these.
    >> The tech told me as long as they are in the "warning" tab to just ignore
    >> them. Some have found if you remove them to the virus vault then delete
    >> them, wierd things start happing with Windows.
    >> Javacool who makes spywareblaster is suppose to talk to AVG Technologies
    >> and figure this out."
    >> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=


    > Here's the FAQ on the issue:
    > AVG 8.0 Virus FAQ:
    > 1198: Infection detected in "ActiveX Compatibility" registry key
    > http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1198#faq_1198


    > -jen


    You know, another way of looking at this is to see SpyBot and S-Blaster
    as loading up the Registry. I don't like a bloated registry but it
    beats getting a nasty. On the other hand, a lean machine runs much
    better.

    Drumstick



  8. #38
    Gaz Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    DrumStick wrote:
    > jen explained :
    >> "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:dLgVj.35327$3v1.11297@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
    >>> "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    >>> news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >>>> "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>>> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint
    >>>>> then avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is
    >>>>> sluggish and adds considerable time to boot up. I would no longer
    >>>>> recommend AVG for an older machine (less then 1gb and slower then
    >>>>> dual core).
    >>>> What peeves me about the new release .....
    >>>> I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected
    >>>> *over* 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus
    >>>> assorted other nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being critical.
    >>>> All of these were references in the registry.
    >>>> My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple
    >>>> of other scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    >>>> Any thoughts on what is going on???
    >>> Most probably it's this issue...
    >>> "potentially dangerous" entries in my registry, specifically under
    >>> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatability
    >>> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=
    >>> "just so you know- avg 8.0 free and pro has an incompatibility issue
    >>> with spybwareblaster and spybot search and destroy. If you see the
    >>> ie/compatablility active x registry keys, it is because these
    >>> programs use this type of scripting to stop active x in registry
    >>> keys. A lot of discussion on wilders security forums are about this and
    >>> I
    >>> spoke to a representative at AVG Technologies, because i too am
    >>> getting them and i am a reseller for AVG and do not need all my
    >>> clients panicking when they see these.
    >>> The tech told me as long as they are in the "warning" tab to just
    >>> ignore them. Some have found if you remove them to the virus vault
    >>> then delete them, wierd things start happing with Windows.
    >>> Javacool who makes spywareblaster is suppose to talk to AVG
    >>> Technologies and figure this out."
    >>> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...,backpage=,sv=

    >
    >> Here's the FAQ on the issue:
    >> AVG 8.0 Virus FAQ:
    >> 1198: Infection detected in "ActiveX Compatibility" registry key
    >> http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1198#faq_1198

    >
    >> -jen

    >
    > You know, another way of looking at this is to see SpyBot and
    > S-Blaster as loading up the Registry. I don't like a bloated registry
    > but it beats getting a nasty. On the other hand, a lean machine runs
    > much better.
    >
    > Drumstick


    I would rather have the bloated registry entries by spywareblaster, then the
    bloated services running by avg 8.0.

    Gaz



  9. #39
    Han Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in news:68men3F2sqq3aU1@mid.individual.net:

    > DrumStick wrote:
    >> jen explained :
    >>> "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:dLgVj.35327$3v1.11297@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
    >>>> "TacAN" <zzz@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
    >>>> news:MJ9Vj.9090$ko5.7552@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
    >>>>> "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:688cmuF2o69asU1@mid.individual.net...
    >>>>>> Version 8 by the way is awful, it has a much greater footprint
    >>>>>> then avg7.5, the scanning engine is much much slower, it is
    >>>>>> sluggish and adds considerable time to boot up. I would no longer
    >>>>>> recommend AVG for an older machine (less then 1gb and slower then
    >>>>>> dual core).
    >>>>> What peeves me about the new release .....
    >>>>> I did a full scan, both at high and slow speeds and it detected
    >>>>> *over* 10,000 (yes ten thousand) references to CoolWebSearch plus
    >>>>> assorted other nasties. Yet reported *none* of them being
    >>>>> critical. All of these were references in the registry.
    >>>>> My up to date version of SpyBot Search and Destroy plus a couple
    >>>>> of other scanners that I use reported nothing!!!
    >>>>> Any thoughts on what is going on???
    >>>> Most probably it's this issue...
    >>>> "potentially dangerous" entries in my registry, specifically under
    >>>> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX Compatability
    >>>> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...age=1,backpage
    >>>> =,sv= "just so you know- avg 8.0 free and pro has an
    >>>> incompatibility issue with spybwareblaster and spybot search and
    >>>> destroy. If you see the ie/compatablility active x registry keys,
    >>>> it is because these programs use this type of scripting to stop
    >>>> active x in registry keys. A lot of discussion on wilders security
    >>>> forums are about this and I
    >>>> spoke to a representative at AVG Technologies, because i too am
    >>>> getting them and i am a reseller for AVG and do not need all my
    >>>> clients panicking when they see these.
    >>>> The tech told me as long as they are in the "warning" tab to just
    >>>> ignore them. Some have found if you remove them to the virus vault
    >>>> then delete them, wierd things start happing with Windows.
    >>>> Javacool who makes spywareblaster is suppose to talk to AVG
    >>>> Technologies and figure this out."
    >>>> http://forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/re...age=2,backpage
    >>>> =,sv=

    >>
    >>> Here's the FAQ on the issue:
    >>> AVG 8.0 Virus FAQ:
    >>> 1198: Infection detected in "ActiveX Compatibility" registry key
    >>> http://www.grisoft.com/ww.faq.num-1198#faq_1198

    >>
    >>> -jen

    >>
    >> You know, another way of looking at this is to see SpyBot and
    >> S-Blaster as loading up the Registry. I don't like a bloated registry
    >> but it beats getting a nasty. On the other hand, a lean machine runs
    >> much better.
    >>
    >> Drumstick

    >
    > I would rather have the bloated registry entries by spywareblaster,
    > then the bloated services running by avg 8.0.
    >
    > Gaz
    >

    Me too.
    I would be ready to get AVG 8 (preferably the free edition <grin>),
    except for 2 problems:
    Number 1: I tried to install SP1 for Vista (Home Basic) on this cheap
    laptop, and it barfed. I think I am fully updated, except for SP1. MS
    tech assistance took control of the computer for about 5 hours in total,
    and could not get it to work, despite uninstalling a whole bunch of
    things, including AVG. Their advice was Avira Antivir, and so far so
    good.
    Number 2: Spouse upgraded her machine to AVG 8, and hates it because it
    slows things down to a crawl. Hotmail downloads take forever because of
    the ad banners that need to be checked, etc.

    So, no AVG 8 for me until those problems get fixed (by AVG).
    --
    Best regards
    Han
    email address is invalid

  10. #40
    Don Guest

    Re: AVG Free version update to vers. 8 ???

    I installed AVG Free 8.0 on a 1.8GHz Pentium M with 1GB RAM running XP
    Pro, and the laptop acted as if it was running as a 500Mz PIII with
    256BM RAM - SLOW. Support for Free 7.5 ends on May 31, but I
    understand you may still receive updates manually. If this is the
    case, I'll keep AVG Free 7.5. However, if indeed all support ends on
    May 31, I'm moving all of my computers to Avast!

    I've installed Avast!'s free home edition on one of my other computers
    as a test bed, and I'm impressed. If anything, it has a smaller
    footprint than AVG Free 7.5. Virus definition updates are not as
    frequent as AVG's, but if it works and is transparent to the operation
    of the computer, I'll keep it. So far, it's been excellent.

    I certainly don't need an anti-virus programs that's overkill, and AVG
    8.0 seems to be such a program. If an anti-virus program requires a
    dual-core or Core 2 CPU and tons of RAM, I'll look for other options.
    One thing is for sure, I'm not buying a new tower or laptop just to
    run AVG.


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