On Feb 17, 10:13 am, "Bear Bottoms" <bearbotto...@gmai.com> wrote:
> OK, but I wanted to know too. Can't you ***** at him and also provide the
> info since you are already posting. I had to look it up...so I posted what
> I found so others wouldn't have to look it up. I wonder how many others
> looked it up when it could have been simply read in the thread.

Exactly that is the problem. Why do you post something which others
could easily look up themselves. If you use the internet, it is
important to learn how to use search engines and how to find relevant
information. It saves all a lot of time and usenet bandwidth if
everybody would be willing to learn that. If you are unwilling to
spend the few seconds it takes to find the information you should not
be helped. Just like those people who are absolutely unwilling to
check something in the manual although their problem is easily found
in the index and/or table of contents.

And kind of just like the people who immediately complain if someone
tells them something about netiquette or rules of usenet posting,
quoting, etc. Being new to something does not exempt you to learn. You
don't have to know everything but it is expected that you are willing
to learn. But you won't know if noone tells you. But telling someone
only gets complains back that someone could not know because he's new.
For some people it is only a lame excuse not to play by any rules
expecting others to serve them... That is my opinion.

Just like your full quotes. You simply leave the full quoted text in
your post and write your answer at the bottom. I find that annoying.
It is not usenet etiquette. If you refer to something you write it to
the text lines to which you refer. Everything else, you delete. It is
useless. Now full quotes are pretty much fully useless. You don't
refer to anything in particular but to the whole article, even to my
signature.It is annoying because for instance I don't see what you
write in the preview view of the article. I have to scroll down only
to see if it is anything important to be answered or not. For longer
full quotes it gets harder as you have to scroll carefully through the
full quote to see whether there are some comments in between (like it
should be) or not. After you scroll through it only to find nothing,
you wonder what that should be for. All the time, the full original
text is just a simple click away in any threaded view of the
newsgroup. Thus, if I want to read the full text again, I can just
read the original.

It is a little tiny bit faster for you not to remove unnecessary lines
from the full quote. The effort for the reader is higher because he
does not know what you were thinking or reading or whether there are
some comments or not. Thus, you save yourself a few seconds at
somebody else's expense. And not everybody has broadband to download
all the superfluous full quotes. That's annoying. That's my opinion.
But it is not uncommon. But it is usenet etiquette not to full quote.

Now, how would I tell you that or some other newbie without getting
some complaints back?? ;-)))

Gerald