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[4Q]

TheApostle wrote:
> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:<<5vkkauF1l3rsuU1@mid.individual.net>>
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
> |
> |> I've still got a printout of it. I'm
> |> going to upload it to 4Q site (blot out
> |> his phone number... I don't want him
> |> getting loads of job offers *grin*)
> |
> |That would just be hilarious.
> |
> |So...posting his personal information was a consequence of reposting his
> |resume? Is that what happened?
> |
> |That's certainly not what Mr. Innocent tried to imply.
>
> Didn't you not just claim that posting person information was "****ful"
> and here you are, encouraging it. Let's remind everyone..............
>
> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0500
> Message-ID: <5vkirhF1mq76pU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> I don't care. I think that posting real life information is
> ****ful, and I don't think there's any excuse for it.
>
> and you also claimed,
>
>
> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500
> Message-ID: <5vkjecF1mj92pU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> <shakes head> I'm always boggled by those who would apply rules
> to others that they utterly refuse to recognize as applicable to
> themselves.
>
> Clearly a double-standard runs deep within you.

No one care what you think idiot.


;]]

[4Q]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> TheApostle wrote:
> > This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> > Message-ID:<<5vkfg6F1n23ikU1@mid.individual.net>>
> > may be monitored for quality assurance:
> >>
> >> TheApostle wrote:
> >>> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> >>> Message-ID:<<5vjhgnF1n2b6iU1@mid.individual.net>>
> >>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stop crying you idiot. You made a
> >>>>> complete twat of yourself. You lied,
> >>>>> you cheated and you got kicked in the
> >>>>> ass every step of the way. Tell Les
> >>>>> why I decided to do the Google grepping
> >>>>> in the first place... *cuts to the chase*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BECAUSE you are a worm wriggling ****er
> >>>>> and you need nailing down, so people can
> >>>>> see all your tricks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://fourq.host.sk/img/sooogeworm.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ;]]
> >>>>
> >>>> I find it interesting that he is criticising you for reposting
> >>>> information he himself posted but he had nothing to say about
> >>>> Dustin posting information that was given to him privately with the
> >>>> expectation that it would remain private--information that had
> >>>> never been posted to usenet and was not available on the internet
> >>>> at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting.
> >>>
> >>> Pardon me for interjecting at this point, Rhonda, but do you also
> >>> find it interesting that Pauls hypocrisy is only matched by his
> >>> habitual need for lying? Surely you have something to say about
> >>> him doing it.
> >>>
> >>> I've already commented on Dustins posting of information and as
> >>> such I said it would be hypocritical of me to condem him. While
> >>> I don't agree with it - how it is any different then what Paul is
> >>> doing?
> >>>
> >>> As everyone knows the knife cuts both ways whether they are our
> >>> friends or not. There is no excuse for any of us to be doing it
> >>> and to excuse your friend of doing and attacking another for doing
> >>> it is pure hypocrisy and a double-standards.
> >>>
> >>> Surely as a reasonable person you would have to agree. You aren't
> >>> really going to show favoritism just because Paul is your friend
> >>> are you?
> >>
> >> What's the difference between reposting information that Sugien
> >> himself posted about himself and posting information that was
> >> divulged to Dustin in email but not publicly available anywhere else?
> >
> > Availibility makes no difference.
>
> We disagree.
>
> Apparently 4Q reposted some of Sugien's own posts which are archived in
> Google.
>
> >> None? Is that the case you're trying to make?
> >
> > No.
>
> You said that "availability makes no difference," so you're
> contradicting yourself when you say no.
>
> I don't care. I think that posting real life information is ****ful, and
> I don't think there's any excuse for it. I just think it's weird that
> everyone wants to come down hard on 4Q for reposting Sugien's own posts
> of his address, but no one wants to take Dustin to task for posting my
> information to alt.sex (with a clear invitation to the world to stop by
> for sex).

Anyone stupid to turn up on Dimbulb's
doorstep unannounced is likely to be
killed. Rod Fewster tackled him about
his murderous gun talk, and warned him
he would probably end up shooting some
innocent victim. Have you seen his
redneck gun video he posted on YouTube?
(no wonder someone tipped the child
protection agency off, out of concern
for children in his home... shooting
out of open windows and aiming a laser
sight around the neighborhood is no
laughing matter *laughs at Dimbulb*)


4Q

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

TheApostle wrote:
> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:<<5vkkauF1l3rsuU1@mid.individual.net>>
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>
>>> I've still got a printout of it. I'm
>>> going to upload it to 4Q site (blot out
>>> his phone number... I don't want him
>>> getting loads of job offers *grin*)
>>
>> That would just be hilarious.
>>
>> So...posting his personal information was a consequence of reposting
>> his resume? Is that what happened?
>>
>> That's certainly not what Mr. Innocent tried to imply.
>
> Didn't you not just claim that posting person information was
> "****ful" and here you are, encouraging it. Let's remind
> everyone..............

How is what I wrote /encouraging the posting of personal information/?

4Q already said (see above) that he is going to blot out the phone
number, so I don't think there's any danger that any "real life" info of
Sugien's is in any danger of falling into the wrong hands.

> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0500
> Message-ID: <5vkirhF1mq76pU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> I don't care. I think that posting real life information is
> ****ful, and I don't think there's any excuse for it.
>
> and you also claimed,
>
>
> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500
> Message-ID: <5vkjecF1mj92pU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> <shakes head> I'm always boggled by those who would apply rules
> to others that they utterly refuse to recognize as applicable to
> themselves.
>
> Clearly a double-standard runs deep within you.

I don't think you've made much of a case for that. It's more like you
tried to do an "Evel over the Snake River Canyon" with about the same
dismal result.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Miller's Law: In order to understand what another
person is saying, you must assume that it is true
and try to imagine what it could be true of.

[4Q]

TheApostle wrote:

<snip> boring same old lame replies
from idiot Leslie Paulin

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

TheApostle wrote:
> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:<<5vkirhF1mq76pU1@mid.individual.net>>
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>
>> TheApostle wrote:
>>> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
>>> Message-ID:<<5vkfg6F1n23ikU1@mid.individual.net>>
>>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>>>
>>>> TheApostle wrote:
>>>>> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
>>>>> Message-ID:<<5vjhgnF1n2b6iU1@mid.individual.net>>
>>>>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stop crying you idiot. You made a
>>>>>>> complete twat of yourself. You lied,
>>>>>>> you cheated and you got kicked in the
>>>>>>> ass every step of the way. Tell Les
>>>>>>> why I decided to do the Google grepping
>>>>>>> in the first place... *cuts to the chase*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BECAUSE you are a worm wriggling ****er
>>>>>>> and you need nailing down, so people can
>>>>>>> see all your tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://fourq.host.sk/img/sooogeworm.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;]]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it interesting that he is criticising you for reposting
>>>>>> information he himself posted but he had nothing to say about
>>>>>> Dustin posting information that was given to him privately with
>>>>>> the expectation that it would remain private--information that
>>>>>> had never been posted to usenet and was not available on the
>>>>>> internet at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pardon me for interjecting at this point, Rhonda, but do you also
>>>>> find it interesting that Pauls hypocrisy is only matched by his
>>>>> habitual need for lying? Surely you have something to say about
>>>>> him doing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already commented on Dustins posting of information and as
>>>>> such I said it would be hypocritical of me to condem him. While
>>>>> I don't agree with it - how it is any different then what Paul is
>>>>> doing?
>>>>>
>>>>> As everyone knows the knife cuts both ways whether they are our
>>>>> friends or not. There is no excuse for any of us to be doing it
>>>>> and to excuse your friend of doing and attacking another for doing
>>>>> it is pure hypocrisy and a double-standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely as a reasonable person you would have to agree. You aren't
>>>>> really going to show favoritism just because Paul is your friend
>>>>> are you?
>>>>
>>>> What's the difference between reposting information that Sugien
>>>> himself posted about himself and posting information that was
>>>> divulged to Dustin in email but not publicly available anywhere
>>>> else?
>>>
>>> Availibility makes no difference.
>>
>> We disagree.
>
> Apparently
>
>> Apparently 4Q reposted some of Sugien's own posts which are archived
>> in Google.
>
> A person, by your own admission, has the option of removing their
> posts from Google. A Usenet group only reaches the readers of the
> group, a Website reaches the entire Web. A person have no option to
> remove
> the website which Paul, whom you've admitted,

Admitted what?

Certainly not this:

> uses for personal
> attacks
> and to do real life harm.

DO NOT put words in my mouth.

>>>> None? Is that the case you're trying to make?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> You said that "availability makes no difference," so you're
>> contradicting yourself when you say no.
>
> Actually, no I'm not. In the context of the sentence I am saying that
> how the information was arrived at (whether is was posted by the
> person
> of his own choosing or revealed by private communication) makes no
> difference.

lol

>> I don't care.
>
> So you're taking the red pill to remain in the Matrix than?

Apparently you did. How's it working for ya?

>> I think that posting real life information is ****ful, and I don't
>> think there's any excuse for it.
>
> I agree. I've made the mistake of doing and of that, I am not proud
> of it. My cross to bear sort to speak - why haven't you discussed
> this with Paul?

Until today, I wasn't aware of it. I do certainly think that the cases
differ, although that does not changes the general principal. It just
makes it harder to apply for Sugien's benefit.

Poor Sugien.

>> I just think it's weird that everyone wants to come down hard on 4Q
>> for reposting Sugien's own posts of his address, but no one wants to
>> take Dustin to task for posting my information to alt.sex (with a
>> clear invitation to the world to stop by for sex).
>
> Excuse me, but isn't that a bit of a double-standard? Dustin is as
> guilty of posting information as Paul is. Yet I don't see you
> condemming him for his website, the encouragement of people to attack
> his targets, or inciting other people to fight his battles.

You forgot that Sugien is "guilty" of posting his own information, which
was then reposted.

I didn't post my information.

Therein lies the difference. I know it's convenient for you to ignore
the difference, but it does exist.

> I've already commented on Dustins actions. Dustin however hasn't put
> up
> a website - and continually invited, incitied, or encouraged people to
> take actions against you, as Paul has to his targets, which he claims
> he picks very carefully.

You don't know what 4Q has done and not done. You have managed to
exaggerate what he says he has done, however, into something
unrecognizable as having anything to do with reality.

> In fact, you said recently that Dustin continues to do real life harm
> and continues to attack (paraphrasing) - however I have not seen this
> and _all_ I've been witnessed to is Paul's repeated and blatent
> personal attacks on peoples families and real life information and
> yet you've remained silent.

You have a lopsided view of a reality that long precedes your entry into
it.

>> To Sugien, I would say this: you have the ability to nuke your own
>> posts in Google. Perhaps you should avail yourself of the
>> opportunity.
>
> And how does that excuse Paul of his website and webpages?

Where in my sentence above do you see any claim you have made on my
behalf? (i.e., where is the "excuse"?)

You read a lot into things. Unfortunately, most of what you're reading
isn't there.

> You've said before that you didn't want to be manipulated and here
> you are defending a person, and his actions, which you've admitted
> are "****ful".. but like a mother avoiding the fact that their child
> might be responsible for a horrific crime - you're going to have to
> deal with it sooner of later.

You should be writing for some sleazy, small-time politician somewhere.

> So I ask you Rhonda, what is it going to be. A double standard or
> showing that you do not approve of his tactics.

I don't approve of the posting of someone's address. I've already said
that.

In this case, however, it is quite clear that he was not the OP but the
reposter of material posted by the OP.

Let me put it this way: If Dustin had found my information in an old
post of my own and merely reposted the information, you can be sure that
I would not have been *****ing about it the way I did when he posted
information that was entrusted to him privately into a sex-related
newsgroup with an invitation to anyone reading to come to my house.

You're a very manipulative person. I asked you to stop involving me in
your campaign against 4Q, but it seems you have a compulsion. I don't
like it, and I've just about decided that I don't like you.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Miller's Law: In order to understand what another
person is saying, you must assume that it is true
and try to imagine what it could be true of.

[4Q]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> TheApostle wrote:
> > This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> > Message-ID:<<5vkkauF1l3rsuU1@mid.individual.net>>
> > may be monitored for quality assurance:
> >>
> >>> I've still got a printout of it. I'm
> >>> going to upload it to 4Q site (blot out
> >>> his phone number... I don't want him
> >>> getting loads of job offers *grin*)
> >>
> >> That would just be hilarious.
> >>
> >> So...posting his personal information was a consequence of reposting
> >> his resume? Is that what happened?
> >>
> >> That's certainly not what Mr. Innocent tried to imply.
> >
> > Didn't you not just claim that posting person information was
> > "****ful" and here you are, encouraging it. Let's remind
> > everyone..............
>
> How is what I wrote /encouraging the posting of personal information/?
>
> 4Q already said (see above) that he is going to blot out the phone
> number, so I don't think there's any danger that any "real life" info of
> Sugien's is in any danger of falling into the wrong hands.
>
> > From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:51:21 -0500
> > Message-ID: <5vkirhF1mq76pU1@mid.individual.net>
> >
> > I don't care. I think that posting real life information is
> > ****ful, and I don't think there's any excuse for it.
> >
> > and you also claimed,
> >
> >
> > From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500
> > Message-ID: <5vkjecF1mj92pU1@mid.individual.net>
> >
> > <shakes head> I'm always boggled by those who would apply rules
> > to others that they utterly refuse to recognize as applicable to
> > themselves.
> >
> > Clearly a double-standard runs deep within you.
>
> I don't think you've made much of a case for that. It's more like you
> tried to do an "Evel over the Snake River Canyon" with about the same
> dismal result.
>

He's hopeless. A quick scan of his
posting history proves this.

I'm mostly just going to <snip>
anything he writes that requires any
reply from me (to him). I'll sum it
up on his webpage... he's does this
exact same **** in all his previous
"archived" posts, exactly the same
lame taunts "[yawn], Oh the irony,
...." claims to have beaten everyone
he rants at. At least a lot of K-Man's
posts were funny, even Dustbin
appreciated a cutting wit. But Leslie
Paulin's just a ranting obsessed idiot
that thinks too much of himself.

4Q

[4Q]

TheApostle wrote:
> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:<<5vknvaF1n5fb8U1@mid.individual.net>>

<snip>

>
> |4Q already said (see above) that he is going to blot out the phone
> |number, so I don't think there's any danger that any "real life" info of
> |Sugien's is in any danger of falling into the wrong hands.
>
> Oh boy - how kind of him to blot out a phone number while the rest
> of his personal information is wide open for any person to get his
> phone from number from.
>

Yeah some dumbass is going to track
down the only two jobs in the world
he ever had... Truck driver for 4 weeks
and Cowboy dung shoveller for 5 years
before he retired 25 yrs ago.. to a
life of loafing about all day and
watching cartoons on TV, then come up
with his Telephone number...

....WHY THE **** WOULD THEY BOTHER?!?



Les you're an idiot

;]]

[4Q]

TheApostle wrote:
> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Message-ID:<<5vkoscF1lcmoiU1@mid.individual.net>>
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
> |
> |TheApostle wrote:
> [..]
> |>>
> |>> We disagree.
> |>
> |> Apparently
> |>
> |>> Apparently 4Q reposted some of Sugien's own posts which are archived
> |>> in Google.
> |>
> |> A person, by your own admission, has the option of removing their
> |> posts from Google. A Usenet group only reaches the readers of the
> |> group, a Website reaches the entire Web. A person have no option to
> |> remove
> |> the website which Paul, whom you've admitted,
> |
> |Admitted what?
>
> Are you having trouble following your own words, I can repost them if you
> wish as a reminder of what you stated.
>
> |Certainly not this:
>
> Are you now lying, Rhonda? <rhetorical question>
>
> |> uses for personal
> |> attacks
> |> and to do real life harm.
> |
> |DO NOT put words in my mouth.
>
> I am not. If you don't like the truth, perhaps you should continue to
> ignore it like you ignore Paul's behavior.
>
> |>>>> None? Is that the case you're trying to make?
> |>>>
> |>>> No.
> |>>
> |>> You said that "availability makes no difference," so you're
> |>> contradicting yourself when you say no.
> |>
> |> Actually, no I'm not. In the context of the sentence I am saying that
> |> how the information was arrived at (whether is was posted by the
> |> person
> |> of his own choosing or revealed by private communication) makes no
> |> difference.
> |
> |lol
> |
> |>> I don't care.
> |>
> |> So you're taking the red pill to remain in the Matrix than?
> |
> |Apparently you did. How's it working for ya?
>
> Quite the little parrot you are, Rhonda.
>
> Do you have puppet strings too? <rhetorical question>
>
> |>> I think that posting real life information is ****ful, and I don't
> |>> think there's any excuse for it.
> |>
> |> I agree. I've made the mistake of doing and of that, I am not proud
> |> of it. My cross to bear sort to speak - why haven't you discussed
> |> this with Paul?
> |
> |Until today, I wasn't aware of it. I do certainly think that the cases
> |differ, although that does not changes the general principal. It just
> |makes it harder to apply for Sugien's benefit.
> |
> |Poor Sugien.
>
> Certainly makes it easier to excuse your friend tho eh?
>
> |>> I just think it's weird that everyone wants to come down hard on 4Q
> |>> for reposting Sugien's own posts of his address, but no one wants to
> |>> take Dustin to task for posting my information to alt.sex (with a
> |>> clear invitation to the world to stop by for sex).
> |>
> |> Excuse me, but isn't that a bit of a double-standard? Dustin is as
> |> guilty of posting information as Paul is. Yet I don't see you
> |> condemming him for his website, the encouragement of people to attack
> |> his targets, or inciting other people to fight his battles.
> |
> |You forgot that Sugien is "guilty" of posting his own information, which
> |was then reposted.
> |
> |I didn't post my information.
> |
> |Therein lies the difference. I know it's convenient for you to ignore
> |the difference, but it does exist.
>
> You're pitifully playing with semantics, Rhonda.
>
> |> I've already commented on Dustins actions. Dustin however hasn't put
> |> up
> |> a website - and continually invited, incitied, or encouraged people to
> |> take actions against you, as Paul has to his targets, which he claims
> |> he picks very carefully.
> |
> |You don't know what 4Q has done and not done.
>
> Now you're excusing him.
>
> |You have managed to exaggerate what he says he has done, however, into
> |something unrecognizable as having anything to do with reality.
>
> The only person avoiding reality here, Rhonda, is you with your continued
> defense of Pauls actions. Paul has admitted his crimes. There isn't any
> thing to exaggerate. The truth really does hurt you doesn't it, Rhonda.
>
> |> In fact, you said recently that Dustin continues to do real life harm
> |> and continues to attack (paraphrasing) - however I have not seen this
> |> and _all_ I've been witnessed to is Paul's repeated and blatent
> |> personal attacks on peoples families and real life information and
> |> yet you've remained silent.
> |
> |You have a lopsided view of a reality that long precedes your entry into
> |it.
>
> I've taking what Paul has said. How is that lopsided?
>
> |>> To Sugien, I would say this: you have the ability to nuke your own
> |>> posts in Google. Perhaps you should avail yourself of the
> |>> opportunity.
> |>
> |> And how does that excuse Paul of his website and webpages?
> |
> |Where in my sentence above do you see any claim you have made on my
> |behalf? (i.e., where is the "excuse"?)
>
> You've anwsered your own question, Rhonda. "WHERE"....
>
> |You read a lot into things. Unfortunately, most of what you're reading
> |isn't there.
>
> Show ANYONE a post from you telling Paul his actions are wrong.
>
> [
>
> SPACE RESERVED FOR THE POST
>
> ]
>
>
> |> You've said before that you didn't want to be manipulated and here
> |> you are defending a person, and his actions, which you've admitted
> |> are "****ful".. but like a mother avoiding the fact that their child
> |> might be responsible for a horrific crime - you're going to have to
> |> deal with it sooner of later.
> |
> |You should be writing for some sleazy, small-time politician somewhere.
>
> You don't like the truth and it's showing.
>
> |> So I ask you Rhonda, what is it going to be. A double standard or
> |> showing that you do not approve of his tactics.
> |
> |I don't approve of the posting of someone's address.
> |I've already said that.
>
> Clearly you do.. YOU JUST ENCOURAGED PAUL TO DO IT!!
>
> |In this case, however, it is quite clear that he was not the OP but the
> |reposter of material posted by the OP.
> |
> |Let me put it this way: If Dustin had found my information in an old
> |post of my own and merely reposted the information, you can be sure that
> |I would not have been *****ing about it the way I did when he posted
> |information that was entrusted to him privately into a sex-related
> |newsgroup with an invitation to anyone reading to come to my house.
>
> You've already shown that your motives have NOTHING to do with im posting
> your information, Rhonda. You said it yourself. Let's remind everyone.
>
> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500
> Message-ID: <5vkjecF1mj92pU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> The answer is that as long as Dustin tries to pretend to be someone
> he is not, I will be serve as an object lesson to those who might
> believe him. Not with any regularlity, mind you, but merely as the
> mood strikes me.
>
> So you're using this "exception" as an excuse for your actions and the
> actions of your friends.
>
> |You're a very manipulative person. I asked you to stop involving me in
> |your campaign against 4Q, but it seems you have a compulsion. I don't
> |like it, and I've just about decided that I don't like you.
>
> That's ok, Rhonda, it's hard to like someone who has to show you the reality
> of seeing one of your dear friends put in a light that you've been ignoring
> for so long. Even worse having someone like me show your gross hypocrisy and
> double standards while condemming the conduct of others.
>
> I still like you, Rhonda, dispite your angry posts upset over this awakening.
>
> One can only see you making excuse after excuse for his actions while
> constantly encouraging him to do what you hate. Hypocrisy is hard for ones
> ego to have to ensure. After all, it's ok when you and your friends take shots,
> but when it's one of your enemies taking the shots it is all evidence of their
> psychological problems, right.


Leslie Paulin's very short book on
"How to make friends the Paulin way!"

Okay NEXT...

Let's see work your magic on Laura,
Are you ready Laura? Are you ready to
be charmed?

*HAHAHAHHAHAAHA* *choke* *LMFAO*

4Q

[TheApostle]

This post, 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com>
Message-ID:<<935a1b38-2c57-4c3e-afdf-
6a938a65beae@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>>
may be monitored for quality assurance:
|
|TheApostle wrote:
|> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
|> Message-ID:<<5vkoscF1lcmoiU1@mid.individual.net>>
|> may be monitored for quality assurance:
|> |
|> |TheApostle wrote:
|> [..]
|> |>>
|> |>> We disagree.
|> |>
|> |> Apparently
|> |>
|> |>> Apparently 4Q reposted some of Sugien's own posts which are archived
|> |>> in Google.
|> |>
|> |> A person, by your own admission, has the option of removing their
|> |> posts from Google. A Usenet group only reaches the readers of the
|> |> group, a Website reaches the entire Web. A person have no option to
|> |> remove
|> |> the website which Paul, whom you've admitted,
|> |
|> |Admitted what?
|>
|> Are you having trouble following your own words, I can repost them if you
|> wish as a reminder of what you stated.
|>
|> |Certainly not this:
|>
|> Are you now lying, Rhonda? <rhetorical question>
|>
|> |> uses for personal
|> |> attacks
|> |> and to do real life harm.
|> |
|> |DO NOT put words in my mouth.
|>
|> I am not. If you don't like the truth, perhaps you should continue to
|> ignore it like you ignore Paul's behavior.
|>
|> |>>>> None? Is that the case you're trying to make?
|> |>>>
|> |>>> No.
|> |>>
|> |>> You said that "availability makes no difference," so you're
|> |>> contradicting yourself when you say no.
|> |>
|> |> Actually, no I'm not. In the context of the sentence I am saying that
|> |> how the information was arrived at (whether is was posted by the
|> |> person
|> |> of his own choosing or revealed by private communication) makes no
|> |> difference.
|> |
|> |lol
|> |
|> |>> I don't care.
|> |>
|> |> So you're taking the red pill to remain in the Matrix than?
|> |
|> |Apparently you did. How's it working for ya?
|>
|> Quite the little parrot you are, Rhonda.
|>
|> Do you have puppet strings too? <rhetorical question>
|>
|> |>> I think that posting real life information is ****ful, and I don't
|> |>> think there's any excuse for it.
|> |>
|> |> I agree. I've made the mistake of doing and of that, I am not proud
|> |> of it. My cross to bear sort to speak - why haven't you discussed
|> |> this with Paul?
|> |
|> |Until today, I wasn't aware of it. I do certainly think that the cases
|> |differ, although that does not changes the general principal. It just
|> |makes it harder to apply for Sugien's benefit.
|> |
|> |Poor Sugien.
|>
|> Certainly makes it easier to excuse your friend tho eh?
|>
|> |>> I just think it's weird that everyone wants to come down hard on 4Q
|> |>> for reposting Sugien's own posts of his address, but no one wants to
|> |>> take Dustin to task for posting my information to alt.sex (with a
|> |>> clear invitation to the world to stop by for sex).
|> |>
|> |> Excuse me, but isn't that a bit of a double-standard? Dustin is as
|> |> guilty of posting information as Paul is. Yet I don't see you
|> |> condemming him for his website, the encouragement of people to attack
|> |> his targets, or inciting other people to fight his battles.
|> |
|> |You forgot that Sugien is "guilty" of posting his own information, which
|> |was then reposted.
|> |
|> |I didn't post my information.
|> |
|> |Therein lies the difference. I know it's convenient for you to ignore
|> |the difference, but it does exist.
|>
|> You're pitifully playing with semantics, Rhonda.
|>
|> |> I've already commented on Dustins actions. Dustin however hasn't put
|> |> up
|> |> a website - and continually invited, incitied, or encouraged people to
|> |> take actions against you, as Paul has to his targets, which he claims
|> |> he picks very carefully.
|> |
|> |You don't know what 4Q has done and not done.
|>
|> Now you're excusing him.
|>
|> |You have managed to exaggerate what he says he has done, however, into
|> |something unrecognizable as having anything to do with reality.
|>
|> The only person avoiding reality here, Rhonda, is you with your continued
|> defense of Pauls actions. Paul has admitted his crimes. There isn't any
|> thing to exaggerate. The truth really does hurt you doesn't it, Rhonda.
|>
|> |> In fact, you said recently that Dustin continues to do real life harm
|> |> and continues to attack (paraphrasing) - however I have not seen this
|> |> and _all_ I've been witnessed to is Paul's repeated and blatent
|> |> personal attacks on peoples families and real life information and
|> |> yet you've remained silent.
|> |
|> |You have a lopsided view of a reality that long precedes your entry into
|> |it.
|>
|> I've taking what Paul has said. How is that lopsided?
|>
|> |>> To Sugien, I would say this: you have the ability to nuke your own
|> |>> posts in Google. Perhaps you should avail yourself of the
|> |>> opportunity.
|> |>
|> |> And how does that excuse Paul of his website and webpages?
|> |
|> |Where in my sentence above do you see any claim you have made on my
|> |behalf? (i.e., where is the "excuse"?)
|>
|> You've anwsered your own question, Rhonda. "WHERE"....
|>
|> |You read a lot into things. Unfortunately, most of what you're reading
|> |isn't there.
|>
|> Show ANYONE a post from you telling Paul his actions are wrong.
|>
|> [
|>
|> SPACE RESERVED FOR THE POST
|>
|> ]
|>
|>
|> |> You've said before that you didn't want to be manipulated and here
|> |> you are defending a person, and his actions, which you've admitted
|> |> are "****ful".. but like a mother avoiding the fact that their child
|> |> might be responsible for a horrific crime - you're going to have to
|> |> deal with it sooner of later.
|> |
|> |You should be writing for some sleazy, small-time politician somewhere.
|>
|> You don't like the truth and it's showing.
|>
|> |> So I ask you Rhonda, what is it going to be. A double standard or
|> |> showing that you do not approve of his tactics.
|> |
|> |I don't approve of the posting of someone's address.
|> |I've already said that.
|>
|> Clearly you do.. YOU JUST ENCOURAGED PAUL TO DO IT!!
|>
|> |In this case, however, it is quite clear that he was not the OP but the
|> |reposter of material posted by the OP.
|> |
|> |Let me put it this way: If Dustin had found my information in an old
|> |post of my own and merely reposted the information, you can be sure that
|> |I would not have been *****ing about it the way I did when he posted
|> |information that was entrusted to him privately into a sex-related
|> |newsgroup with an invitation to anyone reading to come to my house.
|>
|> You've already shown that your motives have NOTHING to do with im posting
|> your information, Rhonda. You said it yourself. Let's remind everyone.
|>
|> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
|> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus,,,,alt.usenet.kooks
|> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:57:44 -0500
|> Message-ID: <5vkjecF1mj92pU1@mid.individual.net>
|>
|> The answer is that as long as Dustin tries to pretend to be someone
|> he is not, I will be serve as an object lesson to those who might
|> believe him. Not with any regularlity, mind you, but merely as the
|> mood strikes me.
|>
|> So you're using this "exception" as an excuse for your actions and the
|> actions of your friends.
|>
|> |You're a very manipulative person. I asked you to stop involving me in
|> |your campaign against 4Q, but it seems you have a compulsion. I don't
|> |like it, and I've just about decided that I don't like you.
|>
|> That's ok, Rhonda, it's hard to like someone who has to show you the reality
|> of seeing one of your dear friends put in a light that you've been ignoring
|> for so long. Even worse having someone like me show your gross hypocrisy and
|> double standards while condemming the conduct of others.
|>
|> I still like you, Rhonda, dispite your angry posts upset over this awakening.
|>
|> One can only see you making excuse after excuse for his actions while
|> constantly encouraging him to do what you hate. Hypocrisy is hard for ones
|> ego to have to ensure. After all, it's ok when you and your friends take shots,
|> but when it's one of your enemies taking the shots it is all evidence of their
|> psychological problems, right.
|
|
|Leslie Paulin's very short book on
|"How to make friends the Paulin way!"
|
|Okay NEXT...
|
|Let's see work your magic on Laura,
|Are you ready Laura? Are you ready to
|be charmed?
|
|*HAHAHAHHAHAAHA* *choke* *LMFAO*
|
|4Q

Here, let me get her attention for you, since your begging for help
isn't working out too well for you lately, ok lil fella. <chuckles>
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Pedophile-Supporter Jack 'GitRDunn' Cohen uses the First
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porn posters and pedophiles to post what they "likes".

From: Jack 'GitRDunn' Cohen <Git@RDunn.hk>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:28:49 EST
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I hate pedos and pervs as much as anyone else but I
don't have the right to stop them from their first
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[Sugien]

"gregvk" <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2C966942A99A5G2M61033T4QCY@204.153.245.2 2...
> TheApostle <likes-to-****@mailme.org> wrote in
> news:MPG.21fece3e6bd43ef498977c@news.sharkpost.org :
>
>> This post, gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx>
>> Message-ID:<<Xns9A2C75EA3CB78A5G2M61033T4QCY@204.153.245.2 2>>
>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>|
>>|"Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
>>|news:4794e157$0$7157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>>|
>>|>
>>|> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>|> news:5vjhgnF1n2b6iU1@mid.individual.net...
>>|>> 4Q wrote:
>>|>>> Sugien wrote:
>>|>>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>|>>>> news:5vh439F1ldcomU1@mid.individual.net...
>>|>>>>> TheApostle wrote:
>>|>>>>>> This post, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com>
>>|>>>>>> Message-ID:<<5vfrkmF1mba5cU3@mid.individual.net>>
>>|>>>>>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>|>>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>>>> Here he is again manipulating Rhonda. ****, Les leave the
>>|>>>>>>>> poor girl alone.
>>|>>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>>> I'm doin' okay here, 4Q, and I continue to call you a friend.
>>|>>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>>> I'm not very happy about being used this way, i.e., as a tool
>>|>>>>>>> to chip away at a friend,
>>|>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>> I'm sorry you feel that you are being used that way.
>>|>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>> I've never implied that should should be used, nor have I done
>>|>>>>>> anything which would imply that I am using you for such a tool.
>>|>>>>>> I'm simply shining a light on, Paul and his mental defects. If
>>|>>>>>> anything it is Paul who is using _you_ to achieve his goals and
>>|>>>>>> false victories.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>> He has *never* used me in that way. I consider him a friend and
>>|>>>>> ally, and he has certainly been both to me.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>>> Sometimes the truth is a hard thing to swallow 'cause
>>|>>>>>> the people we call "friends" are the persons involved.
>>|>>>>>>
>>|>>>>>> I'm sure as a reasonable person you would question why anyone
>>|>>>>>> would be any kind of friend with, say Dustin, considering the
>>|>>>>>> antics you've stated that he has disaplyed, right?
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>> For many years, Dustin took sadistic pleasure in hurting people.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>> 4Q can point you to posts wherein Dustin brags of doing harm, as
>>|>>>>> well as voices his hate for humanity, generally. I would do it,
>>|>>>>> but it's too much work right now.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>> Dustin claims to have reformed, but he continues to do harmful
>>|>>>>> things--a good example is the post he made to alt.sex about me.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>>> 4Q trolls. And people bite, even knowing he's trolling. It may
>>|>>>>> not be sweetness and light, but he's not doing anyone any real
>>|>>>>> life harm the way Dustin has done/continues to do.
>>|>>>>>
>>|>>>> hmmm, although 4Q apologized, I would think his verbal attacks
>>|>>>> against my wife and children would be considered mental harm.
>>|>>>> Sometime in the future one our grandchildren may come across his
>>|>>>> verbal attacks in Usenet archives and it may also cause our
>>|>>>> grandchildren mental anguish. Likewise although my real name and
>>|>>>> address was posted on the internet not long after the internet
>>|>>>> first started (I used it in my sig line; because I was naive) it
>>|>>>> was fairly well hidden by years of no one seeing it. 4Q however
>>|>>>> took it upon himself to re-post it along with my telephone
>>|>>>> number. Your friend Paul gets his kicks by attacking others.
>>|>>>> Maybe it is just me; but I would say that *anyone* that gets
>>|>>>> their jollies by *trying* to put others down, has a mental
>>|>>>> problem, or they think so little of their self that they have to
>>|>>>> try and make others seem lower then they are to make himself look
>>|>>>> better.
>>|>>>>
>>|>>>
>>|>>> Stop crying you idiot. You made a
>>|>>> complete twat of yourself. You lied,
>>|>>> you cheated and you got kicked in the
>>|>>> ass every step of the way. Tell Les
>>|>>> why I decided to do the Google grepping
>>|>>> in the first place... *cuts to the chase*
>>|>>>
>>|>>> BECAUSE you are a worm wriggling ****er
>>|>>> and you need nailing down, so people can
>>|>>> see all your tricks.
>>|>>>
>>|>>> http://fourq.host.sk/img/sooogeworm.jpg
>>|>>>
>>|>>>
>>|>>> ;]]
>>|>>
>>|>> I find it interesting that he is criticising you for reposting
>>|>> information he himself posted but he had nothing to say about
>>|>> Dustin posting information that was given to him privately with the
>>|>> expectation that it would remain private--information that had
>>|>> never been posted to usenet and was not available on the internet
>>|>> at all.
>>|>>
>>|>> Interesting.
>>|>>
>>|> Well for one thing Dustin maintains that he did not post it and I
>>|> have at this time no reason to doubt him. As for Q posting my info,
>>|> it was the intent that I object to and not to the information its
>>|> self. He posted it with the express intent of trying to cause me
>>|> and my *family* some sort of problem; by more or less in effect
>>|> trying to get someone with a screw loose to use my info and try and
>>|> come around here.
>>|
>>|Typical Usenet trolling bull****. Ignore it.
>>|
>>|Nobody will **** with you IRL unless you give them a good reason to.
>>|
>>|And very, very few people will **** with you IRL even if you do give
>>|them a reason to. The stakes are much too high (remember what I
>>|posted yesterday about these people enjoying the protective barriers
>>|that Usenet provides). Off the top of my head, I can only think of
>>|four or five people who really would go IRL if they got upset enough,
>>|and none of them are participating in this discussion.
>>
>> I've had a standing "come beat me up" order on Usenet for the last 6
>> years to the UFF, and my fanclub, to show up at my front door and sock
>> me in the mouth and not one person has shown up. A lot of
>> tough-talkers but no one with any gonads to do it.
>
> I've never heard of anyone showing up at somebody's house and picking a
> fight.

There was a sort of famous case a while back in NYC, where a guy showed up
and beat a person to death with a ball bat; but they were both from NYC and
the guy found out that the one taunting him lived only a few blocks away
from him IRL

>
> There are a handful of phone callers, cop callers, letter writers, and
> lawsuit filers. All that stuff is IRL, but it's all indirect. The only
> ones with anything that resemble balls are the lawsuit filers; the other
> stuff amounts to scare tactics.


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