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    Dancing Spychief Wants to Tap Into Cyberspace

    Dancing Spychief Wants to Tap Into Cyberspace
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...to-cyberspace/

    Spychief Mike McConnell is drafting a plan to protect America’s
    cyberspace that will raise privacy issues and make the current debate
    over surveillance law look like “a walk in the park,” McConnell tells
    The New Yorker in the issue set to hit newsstands Monday. “This is going
    to be a goat rope on the Hill. My prediction is that we’re going to
    screw around with this until something horrendous happens.”

    At issue, McConnell acknowledges, is that in order to accomplish his
    plan, the government must have the ability to read all the information
    crossing the Internet in the United States in order to protect it from
    abuse. Congressional aides tell The Journal that they, too, are also
    anticipating a fight over civil liberties that will rival the battles
    over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    Part of the lawmakers’ ire, they have said, is the paltry information
    the administration has provided. The cyberspace security initiative was
    first reported in September by The Baltimore Sun, and some congressional
    aides say that lawmakers have still learned more from the media than
    they did from the few Top Secret briefings they have received hours
    before the administration requested money in November to jump start the
    program.

    In a series of interviews that began in July, McConnell also weighs in
    on the hunt for Osama bin Laden. In the past six years, McConnell says,
    U.S. intelligence agencies have stopped “many, many” terrorist attacks.
    But his deputy David Shedd says that in the search for America’s
    most-wanted terrorist, “the trail is cold.” McConnell says that while
    bin Laden is believed to be in the tribal region of Pakistan, the U.S.
    will not invade the country to chase him down. You cannot
    indiscriminately attack a sovereign nation,” he says, adding, though,
    that if the U.S. can pinpoint his location, “we’ll bring it to closure.”

    On interrogation policy, McConnell said he reviewed the secret U.S.
    policy on interrogation and evaluated it with the advice of the doctors
    who oversee the process. “Our policies are not torture,” he said,
    defining torture as “excruciatingly painful to the point of forcing
    someone to say something because of the pain.”

    Asked specifically about waterboarding, McConnell appears to suggest
    waterboarding would be torture, but he then backtracks.

    “If I had water draining into my nose, oh God, I just can’t imagine how
    painful!” McConnell says. “Whether it’s torture by anybody else’s
    definition, for me it would be torture.” Asked later about that comment,
    McConnell says he did not mean to suggest he personally condemned it.
    “You can do waterboarding lots of different ways,” he says. “I assume
    you can get to the point that a person is actually drowning.” Yet
    McConnell declined to be more specific, because “if it ever is
    determined to be torture, there will be a huge penalty to be paid for
    anyone engaging in it.”

    On McConnell’s apparent equivocation on waterboarding, CIA spokesman
    Mark Mansfield said in a statement today that, McConnell’s comments
    amount to “a very strong endorsement of the value of CIA’s detention and
    interrogation program,” noting that McConnell also said the
    interrogation program has saved “tons” of lives. Mansfield added that
    the procedures have been deemed lawful by the Department of Justice,
    approved by the National Security Council, and shared with congressional
    intelligence committees.

    McConnell, a South Carolina native, also reveals that he fancies himself
    a fabulous dancer.

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    Re: Dancing Spychief Wants to Tap Into Cyberspace

    On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:32:03 -0500, Jim Higgins
    <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote:

    >Dancing Spychief Wants to Tap Into Cyberspace
    >http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...to-cyberspace/
    >
    >Spychief Mike McConnell is drafting a plan to protect America’s
    >cyberspace that will raise privacy issues and make the current debate
    >over surveillance law look like “a walk in the park,” McConnell tells
    >The New Yorker in the issue set to hit newsstands Monday. “This is going
    >to be a goat rope on the Hill. My prediction is that we’re going to
    >screw around with this until something horrendous happens.”
    >
    >At issue, McConnell acknowledges, is that in order to accomplish his
    >plan, the government must have the ability to read all the information
    >crossing the Internet in the United States in order to protect it from
    >abuse. Congressional aides tell The Journal that they, too, are also
    >anticipating a fight over civil liberties that will rival the battles
    >over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
    >
    >Part of the lawmakers’ ire, they have said, is the paltry information
    >the administration has provided. The cyberspace security initiative was
    >first reported in September by The Baltimore Sun, and some congressional
    >aides say that lawmakers have still learned more from the media than
    >they did from the few Top Secret briefings they have received hours
    >before the administration requested money in November to jump start the
    >program.
    >
    >In a series of interviews that began in July, McConnell also weighs in
    >on the hunt for Osama bin Laden. In the past six years, McConnell says,
    >U.S. intelligence agencies have stopped “many, many” terrorist attacks.
    >But his deputy David Shedd says that in the search for America’s
    >most-wanted terrorist, “the trail is cold.” McConnell says that while
    >bin Laden is believed to be in the tribal region of Pakistan, the U.S.
    >will not invade the country to chase him down. You cannot
    >indiscriminately attack a sovereign nation,” he says, adding, though,
    >that if the U.S. can pinpoint his location, “we’ll bring it to closure.”
    >
    >On interrogation policy, McConnell said he reviewed the secret U.S.
    >policy on interrogation and evaluated it with the advice of the doctors
    >who oversee the process. “Our policies are not torture,” he said,
    >defining torture as “excruciatingly painful to the point of forcing
    >someone to say something because of the pain.”
    >
    >Asked specifically about waterboarding, McConnell appears to suggest
    >waterboarding would be torture, but he then backtracks.
    >
    >“If I had water draining into my nose, oh God, I just can’t imagine how
    >painful!” McConnell says. “Whether it’s torture by anybody else’s
    >definition, for me it would be torture.” Asked later about that comment,
    >McConnell says he did not mean to suggest he personally condemned it.
    >“You can do waterboarding lots of different ways,” he says. “I assume
    >you can get to the point that a person is actually drowning.” Yet
    >McConnell declined to be more specific, because “if it ever is
    >determined to be torture, there will be a huge penalty to be paid for
    >anyone engaging in it.”
    >
    >On McConnell’s apparent equivocation on waterboarding, CIA spokesman
    >Mark Mansfield said in a statement today that, McConnell’s comments
    >amount to “a very strong endorsement of the value of CIA’s detention and
    >interrogation program,” noting that McConnell also said the
    >interrogation program has saved “tons” of lives. Mansfield added that
    >the procedures have been deemed lawful by the Department of Justice,
    >approved by the National Security Council, and shared with congressional
    >intelligence committees.
    >
    >McConnell, a South Carolina native, also reveals that he fancies himself
    >a fabulous dancer.


    I love the way they predict "until something horrendous happens," as
    justification of their horrendous disregard for our privacy.

    The real fact is that is tantamount to saying all the other invasions
    of privacy aren't doing what they are supposed to.

    In every instance of "terror" the ABC agencies already had the goods
    and did nothing, blaming communications problems etc..

    The real reason for this invasion of privacy is that they can already
    see the collapse of world economies and the social disruption lurking
    around the bend as a result our/global bad economic policies and the
    privileged want to stay privileged while after the riots start.

    The new "gated communities" going up have ten foot fences with sensors
    and cameras, roads around the perimeters, road spikes that can be
    deployed from the guard houses, etc.. And those same folks tell us we
    are paranoid . . .
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    Re: Dancing Spychief Wants to Tap Into Cyberspace

    On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:32:03 -0500, Jim Higgins
    <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote:

    "Dancing spy chief" I have visions of J. Edgar Hoover prancing around
    in a pink tutu.


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