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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Heather wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Heather wrote:
>>> Hi Shaggy......
>>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>>
>> And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a
>> new house!
>
> Well that sure knocks the **** out of anything I get for
> Xmas.......grin. I assume you are buying in the same area. Or are
> we old enough to hit a retirement home......bwa ha ha. (that was a
> royal WE).

Same area, about 25 miles to the new one. Near Canandaigua, on a hill
overlooking the lake.

> Goodonya.....prices I should imagine are pretty low what with all
> that subprime mortgage crapola you have down there. Up here prices
> are high and my house has more than doubled in price. I would hazard
> a guess (ex real estate agent here) that it has gone up $100,000 in 3
> years. Sure blows me away!!

True enough about the low market prices. We did not get our asking price
for the old house. The buyer was the first person in almost two years to
come up with an offer anywhere close to what we wanted.

> Saw in the paper today that a condo apt. in Toronto is going for about
> $200,000. Mind you, that condo is about 500 sq. feet. ACK!!

500? <sheesh!> We are downsizing, but not *that* much!

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

[Heather]

Catch up with you later......must go cook dinner. But I couldn't face
the thought of moving ever again!!!!!

The Old Folks....grin

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
newszZ7j.248926$kj1.26037@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Heather wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Heather wrote:
>>>> Hi Shaggy......
>>>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>>>
>>> And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a
>>> new house!
>>
>> Well that sure knocks the **** out of anything I get for
>> Xmas.......grin. I assume you are buying in the same area. Or are
>> we old enough to hit a retirement home......bwa ha ha. (that was a
>> royal WE).
>
> Same area, about 25 miles to the new one. Near Canandaigua, on a hill
> overlooking the lake.
>
>> Goodonya.....prices I should imagine are pretty low what with all
>> that subprime mortgage crapola you have down there. Up here prices
>> are high and my house has more than doubled in price. I would hazard
>> a guess (ex real estate agent here) that it has gone up $100,000 in 3
>> years. Sure blows me away!!
>
> True enough about the low market prices. We did not get our asking
> price
> for the old house. The buyer was the first person in almost two years
> to
> come up with an offer anywhere close to what we wanted.
>
>> Saw in the paper today that a condo apt. in Toronto is going for
>> about
>> $200,000. Mind you, that condo is about 500 sq. feet. ACK!!
>
> 500? <sheesh!> We are downsizing, but not *that* much!
>
> --
> -bts
> -Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

[len garden]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:09:48 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

>len garden wrote:
>
>> g'day Beauregard,
>
>G'day.
>
>> so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee to
>> have spam blocked?
>
>I never said such a thing. Fee? No, it is just a setting in your web
>host's control panel.

i didn't say you said that but at the end of the day with this host
that is the ultimate outcome i feel.
>
>> as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site even
>> after login where i can change anything?
>
>I had already asked: what control software is used by your web host? Is
>it cPanel?
>
they don't say on their site and i'm not going to waste my time asking
them at this stage, their support service stinks.

>> my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i generally
>> only use the addy when i am doing geneology research and it is most
>> likely from those forums where all the spam mail is generating i
>> would think?
>
>I found your web site. You have an email address posted there.
>
> gardenlen2 @ bigpond.com
>
no that is not the addy that gets spammed it is this one:

gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau

had 22 spam e/mails in it this morning already and most likley get
that many more over the day, that compares with 2 on the other addy.

>Is this the address receiving spam?
>
>Or something else. You now need to post the address, so we know (more
>closely) exactly what the problem is.
>
the problem is this addy has no spam protection and i am hoping i can
do something on my local machine to help filter some of it?
>
>> some of the jargon used goes over my head, but i try to understand
>> what you are saying, i have just had a look at the host site after
>> login and i can't see anywhere that i can go and do as you suggest i
>> should?
>
>What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the web
>host? Better yet, what is the URL?

here is there link:

www.domaincentral.com.au


With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len garden]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:52 -0500, "Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>
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>
>I ran a List for another outfit (British Genealogy) and no spammer could
>get at the addresses. Rootsweb, however, is a whole other story. I
>won't post how easy it is, but Len should be using a throw-away address
>for anything connected with the above.
>
>Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>
g'day heather,

you have a good handle on the subject, unfortunately we need to be in
these forums and we need an e/mail addy or we dip out.

so could you explain the "throw away address" idea please?

With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len garden]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:44:54 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:

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>
>Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
>saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
>could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.

sad that you see it that way my friend, if you read my posts carefully
i have been consistant and as forthright as i can be with my
knowledge, we are not all blessed with computer whiz kid talents.

and in short yes it is my web hosts involvement as they don't filter
spam, and i did say the i used this address only in gen' forums, and
we all know the forums live on benefits from you e/m addy being
spammed ot that's how i see it especially the money grabber forum as
was mentioned in anotehr post.

so if i cancel my membership will the spam stop?

>
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>
>Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
>they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
>hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.

i have had that guest book for 10 years it is connected to the addy
that gets no spam, so the guest book plays no part in my current
problem.
>
>> Cheers......Heather (and a Merry Christmas to you and yours)
>
>And to you and yours as well. For Christmas this year, I'm getting a new
>house!
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>len garden wrote:
>>> so in short you are saying i will need to pay their exhorbitant fee
>>> to have spam blocked?
>>
>> I never said such a thing. Fee? No, it is just a setting in your
>> web host's control panel.
>
> i didn't say you said that but at the end of the day with this host
> that is the ultimate outcome i feel.

Most reputable web/email hosters offer some sort of spam trapping
mechanisms with their service, at no additional charge. SpamAssassin is
popular, and comes 'standard' with the cPanel host software I've
mentioned. You still have to turn it "On".

>>> as far as i can ascertain there is nowhere on the web hosts site
>>> even after login where i can change anything?
>>
>> I had already asked: what control software is used by your web
>> host? Is it cPanel?
>>
> they don't say on their site and i'm not going to waste my time asking
> them at this stage, their support service stinks.

Time to find a better host?

>> I found your web site. You have an email address posted there.
>>
>> gardenlen2 @ bigpond.com
>>
> no that is not the addy that gets spammed it is this one:
>
> gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau

Ah, so it *is* an address you set up in their 'control panels'. Go back
there, log in, and look for choices about blocking spam.

> had 22 spam e/mails in it this morning already and most likley get
> that many more over the day, that compares with 2 on the other addy.

The solution is still the same.

Examine the TO: addresses in your spams. Are they all the same, or are
they sent to "webmaster@", "sales@", or other words you don't use.

>> Is this the address receiving spam?
>>
>> Or something else. You now need to post the address, so we know
>> (more closely) exactly what the problem is.
>>
> the problem is this addy has no spam protection and i am hoping i can
> do something on my local machine to help filter some of it?

You've already been advised that Thunderbird email client has built-in
Junk mail filtering, and been told that the default option is "Off" and
you have to turn it "On."

>> What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the
>> web host? Better yet, what is the URL?
>
> here is there link:
> www.domaincentral.com.au

Heh. They do not say what sort of control panel software they use. I
wouldn't sign up with them unless I knew beforehand what I was going to
encounter.

Are you on a Linux or a Windows hosting server?

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Ah. Well, trying to get information from len reminds me of an old
>> saying about "hen's teeth." He kept mentioning his web host, so one
>> could only assume it had something to do with .. um .. his web host.
>
> sad that you see it that way my friend, if you read my posts
> carefully i have been consistant and as forthright as i can be with
> my knowledge, we are not all blessed with computer whiz kid talents.

Well, you see I had asked several questions where the answers might help
solve your problem, and you left them unanswered.

I wouldn't call me a whiz *kid*... being well into retirement and all.

> and in short yes it is my web hosts involvement as they don't filter
> spam, and i did say the i used this address only in gen' forums, and
> we all know the forums live on benefits from you e/m addy being
> spammed ot that's how i see it especially the money grabber forum as
> was mentioned in anotehr post.

It's not the forums causing the problem; it is the fact that you
published a working email address that appears on web pages, where the
spammers' bots (that's a robot program...) that scan all web pages found
it and added it to their list.

> so if i cancel my membership will the spam stop?

Cancel membership in geneology forums? No it will not stop; your email
address has already been harvested and is now on spammers' lists for a
very long time.

>> Len also has a Guestbook on his web site. My opinion of them is that
>> they are a spammer's best friend, where they can harvest all those
>> hundreds of email addresses posted by the unsuspecting newbie.
>
> i have had that guest book for 10 years it is connected to the addy
> that gets no spam, so the guest book plays no part in my current
> problem.

That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by the
spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam problem.
It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

[len garden]

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:56:31 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
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>Well, you see I had asked several questions where the answers might help
>solve your problem, and you left them unanswered.

to date i thought i had best answered all questions, some seemed
repetative in nature?

if you wish ask those again?

>
>I wouldn't call me a whiz *kid*... being well into retirement and all.

i am too in that age group and only became familiar with computers at
around aged 45.
>
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>
>It's not the forums causing the problem; it is the fact that you
>published a working email address that appears on web pages, where the
>spammers' bots (that's a robot program...) that scan all web pages found
>it and added it to their list.

yes i actually understand that process, but now i want to do something
about it?
>
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>
>Cancel membership in geneology forums? No it will not stop; your email
>address has already been harvested and is now on spammers' lists for a
>very long time.

ok understand that.
>
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>
>That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
>email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by the
>spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam problem.
>It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.

i still see no problem with the guest book as the only working e/mail
addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must repeat
blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual compared to my
addy with my web host.

i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len garden]

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:31:56 GMT, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote:
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>
>Most reputable web/email hosters offer some sort of spam trapping
>mechanisms with their service, at no additional charge. SpamAssassin is
>popular, and comes 'standard' with the cPanel host software I've
>mentioned. You still have to turn it "On".
>
at the risk of repeating what i already have said this host does not
offer any spam trapping free of charge.

as this is my first experience with hosting i was unaware that spam
trapping by service providers was not part of the service as it is
with my isp, and in their blurb about their product they don't even
mention spam or trapping or the need for it?

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>
>Time to find a better host?

we ahve already come to that decision buit until this current contract
runs out i ahd hoped i could at least minimise the stuff spam that is.
>
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>
>Ah, so it *is* an address you set up in their 'control panels'. Go back
>there, log in, and look for choices about blocking spam.

ok i will log into my account and try to seek such an option, wouldn't
be surprised at all if there isn't one.
>
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>
>Examine the TO: addresses in your spams. Are they all the same, or are
>they sent to "webmaster@", "sales@", or other words you don't use.
>
they all appear to be the same to me.

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>
>You've already been advised that Thunderbird email client has built-in
>Junk mail filtering, and been told that the default option is "Off" and
>you have to turn it "On."
>
yes i am aware of that but i already said some posts ago i am not
using t/bird as my mail reader i am not using it at all so changing
options in t/bird will not have any affect.

i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet as when i change host later
next year this spam problem should lessen. so i have ben told.

>>> What is the "title" or "logo" on this page where you log in to the
>>> web host? Better yet, what is the URL?
>>
>> here is there link:
>> www.domaincentral.com.au
>
>Heh. They do not say what sort of control panel software they use. I
>wouldn't sign up with them unless I knew beforehand what I was going to
>encounter.
>
well ther you go i already indicated some posts ago that, that
appeared to be the case.

and as a novice host user how the heck would i be expected to know
what to look for in a good host. this host with a few others came
recommended from a question i asked online, now none of those who
recommended it gave any warning about spam protection or lack thereof.

>Are you on a Linux or a Windows hosting server?

the host advertises that they are compliant with moth win' & linux,
whatever that means to the user??
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

len garden wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> snippage
>> That was not the point. Your posting *guests* are leaving their own
>> email address in your guestbook, where *they* are being harvested by
>> the spam bots. That has nothing to do with your own personal spam
>> problem. It just creates spam problems for the unsuspecting posters.
>
> i still see no problem with the guest book as the only working e/mail

No, *you* don't get spam from the guestbook, the people who are posting
their email addresses there are the ones getting it because they left
their emails in the clear, ripe for harvesting. These people:

buckaroo @ iinet.net.au
sallyb0 @ utas.edu.au
jasali10 @ netspace.net.au
kwgibbs1 @ alltel.net

and so forth. These are on your guestbook, and can/will be harvested so
*they* get spam. Newbies don't know the ramifications of posting an
address, on the web, in the clear. As you may surmise, I am
anti-guestbook for this reason.

> addy i have connected to my page goes throuhg my isp who i must
> repeat blocks spam so any spam i get on that addy is miniscual
> compared to my addy with my web host.

Right. That's why I was attempting to concentrate on you finding the
email options at your hosting service.

> i must repeat in 10 years i have had that guest book and that address
> i have never had a spam problem such as this as described above.

See above. The guestbook causes spam to be sent to the posters.

So, you are using "gardenlen2ATlensgardenDOTcomDOTau" at the geneology
pages: "my domain e/mail addy is not featured on my web page, i
generally only use the addy when i am doing geneology research" and it
is posted in forums, etc. It will continue to be harvested as long as it
appears on a web page.

> i may as yet give t/bird a try but not yet

Your choice, but the spam will continue until you do.

> as when i change host later next year this spam problem should lessen.
> so i have ben told.

Not if you use the same email address with the new host's services.
That's why Heather said get a throwaway address for public posting. A
yahoo address, hotmail, gmail ... and if you start getting too much
spam, close it and get another.

I can't help you with anything else at this point.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck