US Teen (Author of Bug****) Arrested as 'Spybot Mastermind'

[James Egan]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:03:22 -0500, "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was only making an observation; because I surely wouldn't be
>permoting the bloatation of code just because the hardware is faster. I was
>using an example to *try* and say that what with the speed of hardware
>doubling ever 18 months or so it becomes less and less important *which*
>language you use to create software.


With conciseness of code being seen as very important to the
reputation and prestige of the old school virus/worm writers I find it
rather amusing that the one that caused me most grief (swen) was down
to it's rather large size filling up my mailbox allowance faster than
I could empty it. Of course, it wouldn't be a problem these days with
server side filtering which I didn't have at the time.


> oan, I am becoming more and more distressed with the way software in
>general is going. What with web apps being the rage now days, the industry
>seems to be wanting to not allow uses to *own* software. In as much as
>before web apps a user could own (linsence) an entire program for there hard
>earned bucks. Web apps on the other hand are only giving the user a GUI or
>front end with the actual code remaining on the developers servers.


I can see that applying to (very expensive) specialist software but
not to the mass market stuff.


> Along
>with that even the language developers themselves are trying to take the
>power out of the programmers hands. VB dot NET for example is imnsho less
>powerful then VB6, well in as much that dot net is in the forefront of
>ushering in the era of the web app.


But you can use vb.net for ordinary programs if you want. They don't
have to be web apps.

I wouldn't call it upgrading, though, because the one time I tried
upgrading a vb6 program to vb.net, it added about 30% onto the running
time of what was already a slow conversion program.


> Convergence being the hot button word now days, it might not be long
>before even hardware is controlled by web apps. The powers that be may be
>trying to usher in the days where you don't have a *true* os; but only
>enough on your machine to boot it up and log onto a server where the rest of
>the os is then loaded.

Perhaps to improve distribution functionality within corporate
intranets but not in the mass personal use market where everyone wants
there own customisation and specific hardware installed.


Jim.

[Sugien]

"James Egan" <jegan@jegan.com> wrote in message
news:5rfpu0F14fo1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:03:22 -0500, "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was only making an observation; because I surely wouldn't be
>>permoting the bloatation of code just because the hardware is faster. I
>>was
>>using an example to *try* and say that what with the speed of hardware
>>doubling ever 18 months or so it becomes less and less important *which*
>>language you use to create software.
>
>
> With conciseness of code being seen as very important to the
> reputation and prestige of the old school virus/worm writers I find it
> rather amusing that the one that caused me most grief (swen) was down
> to it's rather large size filling up my mailbox allowance faster than
> I could empty it. Of course, it wouldn't be a problem these days with
> server side filtering which I didn't have at the time.
>
>
>> oan, I am becoming more and more distressed with the way software in
>>general is going. What with web apps being the rage now days, the
>>industry
>>seems to be wanting to not allow uses to *own* software. In as much as
>>before web apps a user could own (linsence) an entire program for there
>>hard
>>earned bucks. Web apps on the other hand are only giving the user a GUI
>>or
>>front end with the actual code remaining on the developers servers.
>
>
> I can see that applying to (very expensive) specialist software but
> not to the mass market stuff.
>
>
>> Along
>>with that even the language developers themselves are trying to take the
>>power out of the programmers hands. VB dot NET for example is imnsho less
>>powerful then VB6, well in as much that dot net is in the forefront of
>>ushering in the era of the web app.
>
>
> But you can use vb.net for ordinary programs if you want. They don't
> have to be web apps.
>
> I wouldn't call it upgrading, though, because the one time I tried
> upgrading a vb6 program to vb.net, it added about 30% onto the running
> time of what was already a slow conversion program.

I thing when someone goes from VB6 to dot net they are in fact
*downgrading*, and I likewise gave up on converting my software to VBnet;
because it also lacks the same power when integrating activeX controls. and
the likes. Dang VB5 even came with a test CERT; but after M$ found out that
people were using it outside on the web and such instead of a in-house tool
to test before getting a real CERT for it. VBnet also makes it more
difficult to use macromedia flash to design the GUI's or to even use flash
animation on a form.

>
>
>> Convergence being the hot button word now days, it might not be long
>>before even hardware is controlled by web apps. The powers that be may be
>>trying to usher in the days where you don't have a *true* os; but only
>>enough on your machine to boot it up and log onto a server where the rest
>>of
>>the os is then loaded.
>
> Perhaps to improve distribution functionality within corporate
> intranets but not in the mass personal use market where everyone wants
> there own customisation and specific hardware installed.
>
>
I think the public could be *forced* to change in-mass to such a system;
because it is the developers that *dictate* what the public uses. If
developers agreed to only develop and sell such a system the public would
have no choice except to agree. Well that is unless they were to wake up and
get off their VR buts and LEARN how to create their own OS. Just think
about it, most all users being able to program their own. That however is
not going to happen; because 99.999% of users are quite happy to know *only*
what they need to know and have no interest nor desire to learn about their
systems.


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