US Teen (Author of Bug****) Arrested as 'Spybot Mastermind'

[4Q]

Source: http://slashdot.org/index.pl?20071130

<quote>

Joshing Fink writes:

"The Guardian has an interesting piece
on 'Dustbin', a teenager from the USA
who was the ringleader of a pirate ring,
'HHI'. The economic impact of the ring
may have totaled $9.7 billion. The
30yr old teenager was the "head of an
international spybot ring that has
infiltrated computers around the world
with their malicious software 'BugStink'
Martin Kleintjes told New Zealand radio
.... The FBI estimates more than 1m
computers have been infect with his ASIC
****!, and puts the economic losses at
more than $20 trillion dollars. Eight
people (HHI pirates) have been charged,
pleaded guilty or have been convicted.

The FBI really has been putting a
crackdown on botnets/spyware recently
and especially **** written in b'ASIC
(described as a lamer tool for people
that can't code in Assembly)

A Mrs Cook of Tennessee came forward to
tell Police and FBI that her lad was
really a nice boy, and blamed it on an
Open WiFi connection.

</quote>


I say throw the ****er in jail!

4Q

[Daito]

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.hackers.malicious.]
On 2007-11-30, 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
> Source: http://slashdot.org/index.pl?20071130
>
><quote>
>
> Joshing Fink writes:
>
> "The Guardian has an interesting piece
> on 'Dustbin', a teenager from the USA
> who was the ringleader of a pirate ring,
> 'HHI'. The economic impact of the ring
> may have totaled $9.7 billion. The
> 30yr old teenager was the "head of an
> international spybot ring that has
> infiltrated computers around the world
> with their malicious software 'BugStink'
> Martin Kleintjes told New Zealand radio
> ... The FBI estimates more than 1m
> computers have been infect with his ASIC
> ****!, and puts the economic losses at
> more than $20 trillion dollars. Eight
> people (HHI pirates) have been charged,
> pleaded guilty or have been convicted.
>
> The FBI really has been putting a
> crackdown on botnets/spyware recently
> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
> (described as a lamer tool for people
> that can't code in Assembly)
>
> A Mrs Cook of Tennessee came forward to
> tell Police and FBI that her lad was
> really a nice boy, and blamed it on an
> Open WiFi connection.
>
></quote>
>
>
> I say throw the ****er in jail!
>
> 4Q
>
>
LOL 30yr old teen

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[Dustin Cook]

4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:


> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
> (described as a lamer tool for people
> that can't code in Assembly)

As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC is
concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply a tool for
doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8 years ago 4Q, do
you honestly think in all that time I haven't learned assembler? Don't
kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3 years developing a DOS (basically,
doesn't require windows to be operational for scanning/disabling/removal
purposes) based malware removal tool that currently scans for over 11,000
malicious bhos, trojans, keyloggers, etc... The fact I'm able to write
such a tool certainly proves I do know assembler.

I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
fidonet. It wasn't useful then either, People will write in whatever
languages they please. It's the end result that matters to the masses,
not whether or not it's pure assembler.




> I say throw the ****er in jail!



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[Me]

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:45:13 GMT, Dustin Cook
<bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
>anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
>fidonet. It wasn't useful then either, People will write in whatever
>languages they please. It's the end result that matters to the masses,
>not whether or not it's pure assembler.

That seems so flaming obvious that it amazes me that someone has to
remind the pseudo code snobs of it now and again. I say pseudo code
snobs, because it's really not snobbery... it's insecurity. On
occasion I write assembler. I have on occasions used ASIC, but I write
most things I code in plain old VB6... whatever accomplishes the end
result I want in the manner that I'd like it accomplished. Honestly,
if all you've got to do is critique my choice of language for my apps
(which work), you really need to get a job... or a hobby.... or both,
and put your energy towards something that might have some impact on
the life - that you need to get. :-)

Oh, back on subject of the thread, as far as I'm concerned, execute
the weasel. Botnets are responsible for most spam these days, and in
my not so humble opinion, all spammers should be removed from the gene
pool, sociopathic scum that they are.

[Sugien]

"Me" <no-address_for_spammers@no-address.com> wrote in message
news:k2p1l3li51kij6233vdpf99t6mikrkfelb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:45:13 GMT, Dustin Cook
> <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
>>anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
>>fidonet. It wasn't useful then either, People will write in whatever
>>languages they please. It's the end result that matters to the masses,
>>not whether or not it's pure assembler.
>
> That seems so flaming obvious that it amazes me that someone has to
> remind the pseudo code snobs of it now and again. I say pseudo code
> snobs, because it's really not snobbery... it's insecurity. On
> occasion I write assembler. I have on occasions used ASIC, but I write
> most things I code in plain old VB6... whatever accomplishes the end
> result I want in the manner that I'd like it accomplished. Honestly,
> if all you've got to do is critique my choice of language for my apps
> (which work), you really need to get a job... or a hobby.... or both,
> and put your energy towards something that might have some impact on
> the life - that you need to get. :-)
>
> Oh, back on subject of the thread, as far as I'm concerned, execute
> the weasel. Botnets are responsible for most spam these days, and in
> my not so humble opinion, all spammers should be removed from the gene
> pool, sociopathic scum that they are.

If spammers aren't careful they may just be cutting off their noses to spite
their face; because they may force the countries of the world to start
enforcing some sort of an internet spam law. Or worse yet make everyone
that uses the internet to have an ID number in short taking ALL anonymity
out of the picture.


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[Dustin Cook]

Me <no-address_for_spammers@no-address.com> wrote in
news:k2p1l3li51kij6233vdpf99t6mikrkfelb@4ax.com:

> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:45:13 GMT, Dustin Cook
> <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
>>anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
>>fidonet. It wasn't useful then either, People will write in whatever
>>languages they please. It's the end result that matters to the masses,
>>not whether or not it's pure assembler.
>
> That seems so flaming obvious that it amazes me that someone has to
> remind the pseudo code snobs of it now and again. I say pseudo code
> snobs, because it's really not snobbery... it's insecurity. On
> occasion I write assembler. I have on occasions used ASIC, but I write
> most things I code in plain old VB6... whatever accomplishes the end
> result I want in the manner that I'd like it accomplished. Honestly,
> if all you've got to do is critique my choice of language for my apps
> (which work), you really need to get a job... or a hobby.... or both,
> and put your energy towards something that might have some impact on
> the life - that you need to get. :-)

Agreed.

> Oh, back on subject of the thread, as far as I'm concerned, execute
> the weasel. Botnets are responsible for most spam these days, and in
> my not so humble opinion, all spammers should be removed from the gene
> pool, sociopathic scum that they are.

As long as the weasel isn't me, I have no quarrels.




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[Sugien]

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99F8E8E69BBB0HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
> 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
> 00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
>> (described as a lamer tool for people
>> that can't code in Assembly)
>
> As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC is
> concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply a tool for
> doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8 years ago 4Q, do
> you honestly think in all that time I haven't learned assembler? Don't
> kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3 years developing a DOS (basically,
> doesn't require windows to be operational for scanning/disabling/removal
> purposes) based malware removal tool that currently scans for over 11,000
> malicious bhos, trojans, keyloggers, etc... The fact I'm able to write
> such a tool certainly proves I do know assembler.
>
> I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
> anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on


I agree; because I can cobble together code from snippets of just about any
language. What ole QQQQ doesn't understand is that how or what you use to
make something isn't as important as how well it words. In my case, I only
have to understand what the code does and I don't fill my brain with
re-inventing the wheel type stuff when there are code libraries out there
that are FREE for the taking.
Shoot even speed of execution now days isn't near as important as it
once was what with multiple Ghz CPU's and the likes. I dare say that a
million line basic code will run faster on today's machines then what a
thousand line ASM did on an old 286Hhz machine back in the day

> fidonet. It wasn't useful then either, People will write in whatever
> languages they please. It's the end result that matters to the masses,
> not whether or not it's pure assembler.
>
>
>
>

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[Dustin Cook]

"Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
news:tt2dnfkz-bytlMzanZ2dnUVZ_tGonZ2d@adelphia.com:

> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99F8E8E69BBB0HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
>> 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
>> 00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
>>> (described as a lamer tool for people
>>> that can't code in Assembly)
>>
>> As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC is
>> concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply a tool
>> for doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8 years ago
>> 4Q, do you honestly think in all that time I haven't learned
>> assembler? Don't kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3 years developing
>> a DOS (basically, doesn't require windows to be operational for
>> scanning/disabling/removal purposes) based malware removal tool that
>> currently scans for over 11,000 malicious bhos, trojans, keyloggers,
>> etc... The fact I'm able to write such a tool certainly proves I do
>> know assembler.
>>
>> I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
>> anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
>
>
> I agree; because I can cobble together code from snippets of just
> about any language. What ole QQQQ doesn't understand is that how or
> what you use to make something isn't as important as how well it
> words. In my case, I only have to understand what the code does and I
> don't fill my brain with re-inventing the wheel type stuff when there
> are code libraries out there that are FREE for the taking.

Sugien, 4Q is intentionally being an arse over the language fights. He
knows full well that it's really not that important.

> Shoot even speed of execution now days isn't near as important as
> it

I'm not sure I agree with the idea of bloating code just because
equipment is faster now, tho....


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[Sugien]

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99F9935E8AD24HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
> "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:tt2dnfkz-bytlMzanZ2dnUVZ_tGonZ2d@adelphia.com:
>
>> "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99F8E8E69BBB0HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
>>> 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
>>> 00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
>>>> (described as a lamer tool for people
>>>> that can't code in Assembly)
>>>
>>> As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC is
>>> concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply a tool
>>> for doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8 years ago
>>> 4Q, do you honestly think in all that time I haven't learned
>>> assembler? Don't kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3 years developing
>>> a DOS (basically, doesn't require windows to be operational for
>>> scanning/disabling/removal purposes) based malware removal tool that
>>> currently scans for over 11,000 malicious bhos, trojans, keyloggers,
>>> etc... The fact I'm able to write such a tool certainly proves I do
>>> know assembler.
>>>
>>> I don't quiet understand why you want to debate one's choice in tools
>>> anyway. It's as boring as the pascal vs c fights done long ago on
>>
>>
>> I agree; because I can cobble together code from snippets of just
>> about any language. What ole QQQQ doesn't understand is that how or
>> what you use to make something isn't as important as how well it
>> words. In my case, I only have to understand what the code does and I
>> don't fill my brain with re-inventing the wheel type stuff when there
>> are code libraries out there that are FREE for the taking.
>
> Sugien, 4Q is intentionally being an arse over the language fights. He
> knows full well that it's really not that important.
>
>> Shoot even speed of execution now days isn't near as important as
>> it
>
> I'm not sure I agree with the idea of bloating code just because
> equipment is faster now, tho....
>
>
I was only making an observation; because I surely wouldn't be
permoting the bloatation of code just because the hardware is faster. I was
using an example to *try* and say that what with the speed of hardware
doubling ever 18 months or so it becomes less and less important *which*
language you use to create software.
oan, I am becoming more and more distressed with the way software in
general is going. What with web apps being the rage now days, the industry
seems to be wanting to not allow uses to *own* software. In as much as
before web apps a user could own (linsence) an entire program for there hard
earned bucks. Web apps on the other hand are only giving the user a GUI or
front end with the actual code remaining on the developers servers. Along
with that even the language developers themselves are trying to take the
power out of the programmers hands. VB dot NET for example is imnsho less
powerful then VB6, well in as much that dot net is in the forefront of
ushering in the era of the web app.
Convergence being the hot button word now days, it might not be long
before even hardware is controlled by web apps. The powers that be may be
trying to usher in the days where you don't have a *true* os; but only
enough on your machine to boot it up and log onto a server where the rest of
the os is then loaded. I think this will come about if for no other reason
, then because as a way to attempt securing the os from virus and malware
and the likes. In effect taking the temptation out of the hands of the user
to click on everything that comes down their pipe into there in box and
removing most all vectors of infection out of the hands of the user, by
having the majority of the os hosted off site on the os developers servers.
I am not even say that , that would be a bad thing; but it surely would be
taking the computing world down through a hither for unknown path.


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