US Teen (Author of Bug****) Arrested as 'Spybot Mastermind'

[Dustin Cook]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:5rdu32F14c9lvU2
@mid.individual.net:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:fis0b9$g3r$1@news.datemas.de:
>>
>>> 4Q wrote:
>>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
>>>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>>>>> 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
>>>>>> 00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
>>>>>>> (described as a lamer tool for people
>>>>>>> that can't code in Assembly)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC is
>>>>>> concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply a
>>>>>> tool for doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8
>>>>>> years ago 4Q, do you honestly think in all that time I haven't
>>>>>> learned assembler? Don't kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3 years
>>>>>> developing a DOS (basically, doesn't require windows to be
>>>>>> operational for scanning/disabling/removal purposes) based malware
>>>>>> removal tool that currently scans for over 11,000 malicious bhos,
>>>>>> trojans, keyloggers, etc... The fact I'm able to write such a tool
>>>>>> certainly proves I do know assembler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't quiet understand why you want to debate
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't understand it's not a debate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> True. It was as Soooge put it "VR
>>>> slapstick" posted in AHM. However I like
>>>> to think of it more as a comedy baseball
>>>> bat, thwacking Dustbin upside down of
>>>> the head. *grin*
>>>
>>> Y'know, Dustin would make a fine cartoon.
>>
>> You'd know, wouldn't you? Check out what a member of your fanbase
>> (pun!) had to say... Just in case you've forgotten the comparison:
>>
>> "For people like Kadaitcha and Rhonda Lee Kirk, there is really no
>> helping their situation. One is just completely pitiful and sad in
>> his ravings and assaults on everyone that uses Usenet. There is no
>> helping Kadaitcha. Sorry, Kadaitcha."
>>
>> I checked into ahm, Spoke with Evul today...
>
> Who's he?
>
>> Aside from going after
>> kiddy pr0n people, which you will find I've *never* had anything to do
>> with, HHI and myself have nothing to worry about from them.
>
> Did I say you did, Dustin?
>
> Your paranoia--and the scenarios you invent as a result--is absolutely
> out of control.
>
>> For some odd reason, evul doesn't remember ahm helping you;
>
> I don't know evul.
>
> But I think you should reread the post I made about what ahm did/does,
> rather than paraphrasing what you think I said.
>
> I never said that ahm helped me. Not once. What I wrote was this:
>
> Message ID: <5q1vdjFtc92uU1@mid.individual.net>
>
> "Do you have a ****ing clue what they do these days? I do. And I'm
> grateful as hell to them for it. Some of those folks are my heros, and
> they know why, because many months ago, I thanked them for it--
ThePsyko,
> in particular."
>
> Do you see the word "help" up there? Do you see evul's name up there?
>
> WTF is wrong with you?
>
>> and he's
>> one of the main guys. Why is this Rhonda? Did you use another nick?
>> Actually, here's a snippit of the chatlog...
>
> I hope you got his permission before you posted this.
>
>> [12:05] <Raid> Rhonda said you guys once helped her with a problem...
>> what exactly is it ahm does? [12:05] <evul> who is rhonda?
>> [12:05] <Raid> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>> [12:05] <evul> don't know her but ahm was just techie discussions and
>> hackers [12:06] <Raid> thats what I thought...
>> [12:06] <evul> we did go after the KP fags tho
>> [12:06] <Raid> so figured I'd ask.
>> [12:06] <evul> we hax0red places like NAMBLA
>> [12:06] <Raid> She was hinting you might be a problem due to the fact
>> I'm tied with HHI. [12:06] <Raid> since we're not into kiddy pr0n
>> tho, I don't see any problems between us. [12:06] <evul> what is HHI?
>> [12:06] <Raid> a ripping group
>> [12:06] <evul> cd's?
>> [12:06] <Raid> and dvds
>> [12:06] <evul> lol
>> [12:07] <evul> hell no
>> [12:07] <evul> you can do that
>> [12:07] <Raid> I was thinking we'd fit right in. ;p
>> [12:07] <evul> i was into warez
>> [12:07] <evul> i used to run an old warez site
>> [12:07] <Raid> hahah
>> [12:08] <evul> infact we was trying to start an iroffer channel here
>> to attact users [12:08] <Raid> HHI=Happy Hacker Industries
>> [12:08] <evul> ohh caroline?
>> [12:08] <Raid> So I figured we were okay in ahm.
>> [12:08] <Raid> I dont know caroline.
>> [12:08] <evul> she was the happy hacker
>> [12:08] <evul> meinal or some name like that
>> [12:08] <Raid> no idea man.
>> [12:08] <Raid> lol
>> [12:09] <evul> Carole Meinieal
>> [12:09] <evul> i dun know
>> [12:09] <evul> http://attrition.org/shame/index2.html
>> [12:10] <evul> so you are something different
>> [12:11] <evul> ever hear of ArchAngel?
>> [12:11] <evul> the "hacker"
>> [12:12] <evul> ohh are you 4Q?
>> [12:17] <Raid> No.
>> [12:17] <Raid> I'm raid/slam
>> [12:17] <Raid> the guy 4Q is trying to bash on.
>> [12:17] <evul> ahh
>> [12:18] <evul> so who is this 4q person
>> [12:18] <Raid> ex vxer, co founder hhi, creator of bughunter..
>> [12:18] <Raid> oh, he's an old associate from way back
>> [12:18] <Raid> we used to play fun games of kixorball with his lameass
>> [12:18] <evul> one of those
>> [12:18] <evul> ex friend flame wars thing?
>> [12:18] <Raid> yep
>> [12:19] <Raid> He's pissed off because I wouldn't fork some shells to
>> him. [12:19] <Raid> lol
>> [12:19] <Raid> I'd rather distro our tunes instead.
>> [12:19] <evul> lol
>> [12:19] <evul> hell, open your channel here
>> [12:19] <evul> #hhi
>> [12:19] <Raid> I'm just his latest target, he's gone after gigas and
>> various others in the past. [12:19] <Raid> we consider it an honor to
>> be featured. [12:20] <evul> gigas?
>> [12:20] <Raid> gigabyte
>> [12:20] <evul> she's not around now is she?
>> [12:20] <Raid> I wouldnt think so. lol
>> [12:20] <Raid> I know shes still in touch with some people
>> [12:20] * evul misses the girl
>> [12:20] <Raid> but i'm not one of them.
>> [12:20] <Raid> after she got caught and ****, we lost contact.
>> [12:20] <evul> yeah
>> [12:20] <evul> she came by one time after she left
>> [12:21] <Raid> lose alot of friends in that business. lol
>> [12:21] <evul> when she gout busted
>> [12:21] <evul> got
>> [12:21] <evul> aye
>> [12:21] <evul> i bet
>> [12:21] <Raid> Rhonda doesn't seem to want to keep her fight with me,
>> she wants to involve my group too... [12:22] <Raid> so far, the group
>> won't do anything tho, she hasn't caused us any real harm. [12:22]
>> <evul> heh [12:22] <evul> she post in the virus groups?
>> [12:22] <Raid> yep
>> [12:23] <Raid> she stalks me.
>> [12:23] <Raid> lol
>> [12:23] <evul> aww she wuvs yoo
>> [12:23] <Raid> hahahaha
>> [12:24] <evul> send her herpes.h
>> [12:24] <Raid> Nah, she's already whining about an old alt.sex post
>> [12:24] <Raid> lol
>> [12:24] <evul> that's funny
>> [12:25] <evul> i should see what kind of a reply i can get
>> [12:25] <Raid> a friend of mine that was here actually made the post,
>> but the dumb ***** doesnt get the concept of a lan. lol. [12:25]
>> <Raid> all of these computers look like one computer on the net. hehe
>> [12:26] <evul> got a pic of her? [12:26] <evul> i bet she is ugly
>> [12:28] <Raid> Nope. I never asked her for one.
>> [12:28] <Raid> Shes one crazy ***** anyway.
>> [12:28] <evul> who the f is she tho
>> [12:29] <evul> some ativirus company person?
>> [12:29] <Raid> I have no idea man.
>> [12:29] <Raid> an auk regular best as I can tell.
>> [12:29] <evul> looks like she writes articals
>> [12:29] <Raid> she needs a life.
>> [12:30] <evul> ohh
>> [12:30] <evul> she is just a troll
>> [12:31] <evul> prolly not even a woman
>
> You asked if he has a picture. He did. Whether he does anymore or not,

Re-read it, idiot. He asked me if I had a picture of you. I said I did
not.
>I never claimed to know the person you had the above conversation with,
> Dustin, so I don't know what the hell you think you're doing.

You did say in another post of yours that they did something to help you,
and that I hadn't figured out what it is they do yet. You also did imply
they would in some way shape or form pose a threat to HHI; and they do
not. I responded that I figured they went after pedophiles, not pirates
and fellow hackers, and from what I've been told, that's correct.

Obviously you had an issue with a pedophile and they assisted in his
prosecution or something? Who knows. I don't care. Either way, it has
nothing to do with my activities.

> <shakes head> What you have is moron credit--if "credit" is really the
> appropriate word.

Rhonda, your the only real moron in the entire thread. Nobody emails
there name, address and phone number as an email signature if they don't
intend for it to get around. Sorry, but that's reality. *you* ****ed up.

Despite your weak efforts to claim I made the infamous post in alt.sex, I
personally, did *not* do so. I had a hand in it's creation, sure, and I
take whatever credit that's worth, but you need to get over yourself in a
serious way. You've resorted to stalking me and hijacking threads to
discuss how badly I wronged you with that alt.sex post.





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[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:fisvbs$kgr$1
> @news.datemas.de:
>
> > Daito wrote:
> >> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.hackers.malicious.]
> >> On 2007-12-01, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >> I don't think evul reads ahm much anymore. You should just hop on
> >> exilenet and have real time flamewars with raid.
> >
> > If it were possible to have a real flamewar with Dustin, it would be
> > worth it, but watching him wobble like a Weeble when he tries to spin
> > the facts makes me dizzy. Had it not been for his unprovoked attack on
>
> Spin what facts? usenet previous posts (some anyway) are available for
> everyone to read.
>
>
> > Laura Fredericks, I'd not have had much, if anything, to say to him
> > again.
>
> The attack wasn't unprovoked. And it's resolved, and was resolved without
> you having anything to do with it.
>
> > For me, the real draw in all this is reading 4Q's hilarious parodies.
>
> > Dustin is just a sideshow, if that.
>
> And yet, you find it necessary to hijack any thread I might post in.
> How many times in the past week now have you mentioned the alt.sex post?
>

If anything it's quite appropriate to
keep mentioning your malicious sexual
deviance in a group 'AHM' that tracks
down sexual deviants. A bit of
background on how you play fire,
aligning yourself with potential sexual predators might be useful to
AHMers so they don't find themselves in a bit of
a contraction (morality wise).

I wonder if they found it interesting
that you tried to buy Rhonda off with
your $300 hush money?



4Q
p.s. Rhonda check your email.

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:fisvbs$kgr$1
> @news.datemas.de:
>
> > Daito wrote:
> >> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.hackers.malicious.]
> >> On 2007-12-01, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> >> I don't think evul reads ahm much anymore. You should just hop on
> >> exilenet and have real time flamewars with raid.
> >
> > If it were possible to have a real flamewar with Dustin, it would be
> > worth it, but watching him wobble like a Weeble when he tries to spin
> > the facts makes me dizzy. Had it not been for his unprovoked attack on
>
> Spin what facts? usenet previous posts (some anyway) are available for
> everyone to read.
>
>
> > Laura Fredericks, I'd not have had much, if anything, to say to him
> > again.
>
> The attack wasn't unprovoked. And it's resolved, and was resolved without
> you having anything to do with it.
>
> > For me, the real draw in all this is reading 4Q's hilarious parodies.
>
> > Dustin is just a sideshow, if that.
>
> And yet, you find it necessary to hijack any thread I might post in.
> How many times in the past week now have you mentioned the alt.sex post?
>

If anything it's quite appropriate to
keep mentioning your malicious sexual
deviance in a group 'AHM' that tracks
down sexual deviants. A bit of
background on how you play fire,
aligning yourself with potential
sexual predators might be useful to
AHMers so they don't find themselves
in a bit of a contraction (morality
wise).

I wonder if they found it interesting
that you tried to buy Rhonda off with
your $300 hush money?



4Q
p.s. Rhonda check your email.

[4Q]

4Q wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:fisvbs$kgr$1
> > @news.datemas.de:
> >
> > > Daito wrote:
> > >> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.hackers.malicious.]
> > >> On 2007-12-01, Rhonda Lea Kirk <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snipped>
> > >
> > >> I don't think evul reads ahm much anymore. You should just hop on
> > >> exilenet and have real time flamewars with raid.
> > >
> > > If it were possible to have a real flamewar with Dustin, it would be
> > > worth it, but watching him wobble like a Weeble when he tries to spin
> > > the facts makes me dizzy. Had it not been for his unprovoked attack on
> >
> > Spin what facts? usenet previous posts (some anyway) are available for
> > everyone to read.
> >
> >
> > > Laura Fredericks, I'd not have had much, if anything, to say to him
> > > again.
> >
> > The attack wasn't unprovoked. And it's resolved, and was resolved without
> > you having anything to do with it.
> >
> > > For me, the real draw in all this is reading 4Q's hilarious parodies.
> >
> > > Dustin is just a sideshow, if that.
> >
> > And yet, you find it necessary to hijack any thread I might post in.
> > How many times in the past week now have you mentioned the alt.sex post?
> >
>
> If anything it's quite appropriate to
> keep mentioning your malicious sexual
> deviance in a group 'AHM' that tracks
> down sexual deviants. A bit of
> background on how you play fire,
> aligning yourself with potential
> sexual predators might be useful to
> AHMers so they don't find themselves
> in a bit of a contraction (morality
> wise).

*contradiction

>
> I wonder if they found it interesting
> that you tried to buy Rhonda off with
> your $300 hush money?
>
>
>
> 4Q
> p.s. Rhonda check your email.

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ididnbBwG-CGfszanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@adelphia.com:

<snipped>

>> hey Dustin, a quick question: in the above exchange this part:
>>
>> 12:18] <evul> so who is this 4q person
>> [12:18] <Raid> ex vxer, co founder hhi, creator of bughunter..
>>
>> I don't know and maybe I am just reading this wrong; but you (Raid)
>> would seem to be saying that 4Q created *your* program "bughunter"?
>> and is co founder of *your* HHI group? Maybe I am just having a
>> brain fart; but that's the way it reads to me.
>
>
> You read it wrong. No biggie tho, Rhonda did as well. I didn't call
> her a troll or whatever, Evul did.

You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.

Try answering the question he asked.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Some are tempted to think of life in cyberspace as insignificant,
as escape or meaningless diversion. It is not. Our experiences there
are serious play. We belittle them at our risk. Sherry Turkle

[James Egan]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:03:22 -0500, "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was only making an observation; because I surely wouldn't be
>permoting the bloatation of code just because the hardware is faster. I was
>using an example to *try* and say that what with the speed of hardware
>doubling ever 18 months or so it becomes less and less important *which*
>language you use to create software.


With conciseness of code being seen as very important to the
reputation and prestige of the old school virus/worm writers I find it
rather amusing that the one that caused me most grief (swen) was down
to it's rather large size filling up my mailbox allowance faster than
I could empty it. Of course, it wouldn't be a problem these days with
server side filtering which I didn't have at the time.


> oan, I am becoming more and more distressed with the way software in
>general is going. What with web apps being the rage now days, the industry
>seems to be wanting to not allow uses to *own* software. In as much as
>before web apps a user could own (linsence) an entire program for there hard
>earned bucks. Web apps on the other hand are only giving the user a GUI or
>front end with the actual code remaining on the developers servers.


I can see that applying to (very expensive) specialist software but
not to the mass market stuff.


> Along
>with that even the language developers themselves are trying to take the
>power out of the programmers hands. VB dot NET for example is imnsho less
>powerful then VB6, well in as much that dot net is in the forefront of
>ushering in the era of the web app.


But you can use vb.net for ordinary programs if you want. They don't
have to be web apps.

I wouldn't call it upgrading, though, because the one time I tried
upgrading a vb6 program to vb.net, it added about 30% onto the running
time of what was already a slow conversion program.


> Convergence being the hot button word now days, it might not be long
>before even hardware is controlled by web apps. The powers that be may be
>trying to usher in the days where you don't have a *true* os; but only
>enough on your machine to boot it up and log onto a server where the rest of
>the os is then loaded.

Perhaps to improve distribution functionality within corporate
intranets but not in the mass personal use market where everyone wants
there own customisation and specific hardware installed.


Jim.

[Dustin Cook]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:5rfqdpF14han6U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ididnbBwG-CGfszanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@adelphia.com:
>
> <snipped>
>
>>> hey Dustin, a quick question: in the above exchange this part:
>>>
>>> 12:18] <evul> so who is this 4q person
>>> [12:18] <Raid> ex vxer, co founder hhi, creator of bughunter..
>>>
>>> I don't know and maybe I am just reading this wrong; but you (Raid)
>>> would seem to be saying that 4Q created *your* program "bughunter"?
>>> and is co founder of *your* HHI group? Maybe I am just having a
>>> brain fart; but that's the way it reads to me.
>>
>>
>> You read it wrong. No biggie tho, Rhonda did as well. I didn't call
>> her a troll or whatever, Evul did.
>
> You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.
>
> Try answering the question he asked.

I did, dumbass. I said he read it wrong. As you did when you thought I
asked evul for a picture of you.





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[Dustin Cook]

4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in news:c3452a3b-d552-4264-8fd8-
5a957cee4c96@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

<snip>

That's right, you can't attack BugHunter anymore without looking like a
total and complete ****ing idiot, so your going to try and claim I'm a
sexual deviant in some way shape or form. You should just give it up,
accept that I 0wn you and we can go from there.


--
Dustin Cook, Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2d
Email.: bughunter.dustin@gmail.com
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Pad...: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
PGP...: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/bughunter.dustin.txt

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:5rfqdpF14han6U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>> "Sugien" <paulbryantsr@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ididnbBwG-CGfszanZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@adelphia.com:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>>> hey Dustin, a quick question: in the above exchange this part:
>>>>
>>>> 12:18] <evul> so who is this 4q person
>>>> [12:18] <Raid> ex vxer, co founder hhi, creator of bughunter..
>>>>
>>>> I don't know and maybe I am just reading this wrong; but you (Raid)
>>>> would seem to be saying that 4Q created *your* program "bughunter"?
>>>> and is co founder of *your* HHI group? Maybe I am just having a
>>>> brain fart; but that's the way it reads to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> You read it wrong. No biggie tho, Rhonda did as well. I didn't
>>> call her a troll or whatever, Evul did.
>>
>> You seem to have trouble with reading comprehension.
>>
>> Try answering the question he asked.
>
> I did, dumbass. I said he read it wrong. As you did when you thought I
> asked evul for a picture of you.

I didn't think you asked evul for a picture of me. evul asked you if you
had a picture, and you said no. The truth is that you may not have a
picture now, but you did have a picture, and that's what I wrote.

Are you losing it, Dustin?

And does evul know you posted that chat?

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Some are tempted to think of life in cyberspace as insignificant,
as escape or meaningless diversion. It is not. Our experiences there
are serious play. We belittle them at our risk. Sherry Turkle

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:5rdu32F14c9lvU2
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:fis0b9$g3r$1@news.datemas.de:
>>>
>>>> 4Q wrote:
>>>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
>>>>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> 4Q <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:b0550f52-d55b-4503-8b48-
>>>>>>> 00fd43e1af57@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and especially **** written in b'ASIC
>>>>>>>> (described as a lamer tool for people
>>>>>>>> that can't code in Assembly)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for assembler, we all know better than that. As far as ASIC
>>>>>>> is concerned, this is really a pointless arguement. It's simply
>>>>>>> a tool for doing some things in. I quit writing malware almost 8
>>>>>>> years ago 4Q, do you honestly think in all that time I haven't
>>>>>>> learned assembler? Don't kid yourself. I have spent nearly 3
>>>>>>> years developing a DOS (basically, doesn't require windows to be
>>>>>>> operational for scanning/disabling/removal purposes) based
>>>>>>> malware removal tool that currently scans for over 11,000
>>>>>>> malicious bhos, trojans, keyloggers, etc... The fact I'm able
>>>>>>> to write such a tool certainly proves I do know assembler.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't quiet understand why you want to debate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't understand it's not a debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True. It was as Soooge put it "VR
>>>>> slapstick" posted in AHM. However I like
>>>>> to think of it more as a comedy baseball
>>>>> bat, thwacking Dustbin upside down of
>>>>> the head. *grin*
>>>>
>>>> Y'know, Dustin would make a fine cartoon.
>>>
>>> You'd know, wouldn't you? Check out what a member of your fanbase
>>> (pun!) had to say... Just in case you've forgotten the comparison:
>>>
>>> "For people like Kadaitcha and Rhonda Lee Kirk, there is really no
>>> helping their situation. One is just completely pitiful and sad in
>>> his ravings and assaults on everyone that uses Usenet. There is no
>>> helping Kadaitcha. Sorry, Kadaitcha."
>>>
>>> I checked into ahm, Spoke with Evul today...
>>
>> Who's he?
>>
>>> Aside from going after
>>> kiddy pr0n people, which you will find I've *never* had anything to
>>> do with, HHI and myself have nothing to worry about from them.
>>
>> Did I say you did, Dustin?
>>
>> Your paranoia--and the scenarios you invent as a result--is
>> absolutely out of control.
>>
>>> For some odd reason, evul doesn't remember ahm helping you;
>>
>> I don't know evul.
>>
>> But I think you should reread the post I made about what ahm
>> did/does, rather than paraphrasing what you think I said.
>>
>> I never said that ahm helped me. Not once. What I wrote was this:
>>
>> Message ID: <5q1vdjFtc92uU1@mid.individual.net>
>>
>> "Do you have a ****ing clue what they do these days? I do. And I'm
>> grateful as hell to them for it. Some of those folks are my heros,
>> and they know why, because many months ago, I thanked them for it--
>> ThePsyko, in particular."
>>
>> Do you see the word "help" up there? Do you see evul's name up there?
>>
>> WTF is wrong with you?
>>
>>> and he's
>>> one of the main guys. Why is this Rhonda? Did you use another nick?
>>> Actually, here's a snippit of the chatlog...
>>
>> I hope you got his permission before you posted this.
>>
>>> [12:05] <Raid> Rhonda said you guys once helped her with a
>>> problem... what exactly is it ahm does? [12:05] <evul> who is
>>> rhonda? [12:05] <Raid> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>>> [12:05] <evul> don't know her but ahm was just techie discussions
>>> and hackers [12:06] <Raid> thats what I thought...
>>> [12:06] <evul> we did go after the KP fags tho
>>> [12:06] <Raid> so figured I'd ask.
>>> [12:06] <evul> we hax0red places like NAMBLA
>>> [12:06] <Raid> She was hinting you might be a problem due to the
>>> fact I'm tied with HHI. [12:06] <Raid> since we're not into kiddy
>>> pr0n tho, I don't see any problems between us. [12:06] <evul> what
>>> is HHI? [12:06] <Raid> a ripping group
>>> [12:06] <evul> cd's?
>>> [12:06] <Raid> and dvds
>>> [12:06] <evul> lol
>>> [12:07] <evul> hell no
>>> [12:07] <evul> you can do that
>>> [12:07] <Raid> I was thinking we'd fit right in. ;p
>>> [12:07] <evul> i was into warez
>>> [12:07] <evul> i used to run an old warez site
>>> [12:07] <Raid> hahah
>>> [12:08] <evul> infact we was trying to start an iroffer channel here
>>> to attact users [12:08] <Raid> HHI=Happy Hacker Industries
>>> [12:08] <evul> ohh caroline?
>>> [12:08] <Raid> So I figured we were okay in ahm.
>>> [12:08] <Raid> I dont know caroline.
>>> [12:08] <evul> she was the happy hacker
>>> [12:08] <evul> meinal or some name like that
>>> [12:08] <Raid> no idea man.
>>> [12:08] <Raid> lol
>>> [12:09] <evul> Carole Meinieal
>>> [12:09] <evul> i dun know
>>> [12:09] <evul> http://attrition.org/shame/index2.html
>>> [12:10] <evul> so you are something different
>>> [12:11] <evul> ever hear of ArchAngel?
>>> [12:11] <evul> the "hacker"
>>> [12:12] <evul> ohh are you 4Q?
>>> [12:17] <Raid> No.
>>> [12:17] <Raid> I'm raid/slam
>>> [12:17] <Raid> the guy 4Q is trying to bash on.
>>> [12:17] <evul> ahh
>>> [12:18] <evul> so who is this 4q person
>>> [12:18] <Raid> ex vxer, co founder hhi, creator of bughunter..
>>> [12:18] <Raid> oh, he's an old associate from way back
>>> [12:18] <Raid> we used to play fun games of kixorball with his
>>> lameass [12:18] <evul> one of those
>>> [12:18] <evul> ex friend flame wars thing?
>>> [12:18] <Raid> yep
>>> [12:19] <Raid> He's pissed off because I wouldn't fork some shells
>>> to him. [12:19] <Raid> lol
>>> [12:19] <Raid> I'd rather distro our tunes instead.
>>> [12:19] <evul> lol
>>> [12:19] <evul> hell, open your channel here
>>> [12:19] <evul> #hhi
>>> [12:19] <Raid> I'm just his latest target, he's gone after gigas and
>>> various others in the past. [12:19] <Raid> we consider it an honor
>>> to be featured. [12:20] <evul> gigas?
>>> [12:20] <Raid> gigabyte
>>> [12:20] <evul> she's not around now is she?
>>> [12:20] <Raid> I wouldnt think so. lol
>>> [12:20] <Raid> I know shes still in touch with some people
>>> [12:20] * evul misses the girl
>>> [12:20] <Raid> but i'm not one of them.
>>> [12:20] <Raid> after she got caught and ****, we lost contact.
>>> [12:20] <evul> yeah
>>> [12:20] <evul> she came by one time after she left
>>> [12:21] <Raid> lose alot of friends in that business. lol
>>> [12:21] <evul> when she gout busted
>>> [12:21] <evul> got
>>> [12:21] <evul> aye
>>> [12:21] <evul> i bet
>>> [12:21] <Raid> Rhonda doesn't seem to want to keep her fight with
>>> me, she wants to involve my group too... [12:22] <Raid> so far, the
>>> group won't do anything tho, she hasn't caused us any real harm.
>>> [12:22] <evul> heh [12:22] <evul> she post in the virus groups?
>>> [12:22] <Raid> yep
>>> [12:23] <Raid> she stalks me.
>>> [12:23] <Raid> lol
>>> [12:23] <evul> aww she wuvs yoo
>>> [12:23] <Raid> hahahaha
>>> [12:24] <evul> send her herpes.h
>>> [12:24] <Raid> Nah, she's already whining about an old alt.sex post
>>> [12:24] <Raid> lol
>>> [12:24] <evul> that's funny
>>> [12:25] <evul> i should see what kind of a reply i can get
>>> [12:25] <Raid> a friend of mine that was here actually made the
>>> post, but the dumb ***** doesnt get the concept of a lan. lol.
>>> [12:25] <Raid> all of these computers look like one computer on the
>>> net. hehe [12:26] <evul> got a pic of her? [12:26] <evul> i bet she
>>> is ugly [12:28] <Raid> Nope. I never asked her for one.
>>> [12:28] <Raid> Shes one crazy ***** anyway.
>>> [12:28] <evul> who the f is she tho
>>> [12:29] <evul> some ativirus company person?
>>> [12:29] <Raid> I have no idea man.
>>> [12:29] <Raid> an auk regular best as I can tell.
>>> [12:29] <evul> looks like she writes articals
>>> [12:29] <Raid> she needs a life.
>>> [12:30] <evul> ohh
>>> [12:30] <evul> she is just a troll
>>> [12:31] <evul> prolly not even a woman
>>
>> You asked if he has a picture. He did. Whether he does anymore or
>> not,
>
> Re-read it, idiot. He asked me if I had a picture of you. I said I did
> not.

I was responding to evul, Dustin, which is why the title of this post is
"Ping evul (was...)".

>> I never claimed to know the person you had the above conversation
>> with, Dustin, so I don't know what the hell you think you're doing.
>
> You did say in another post of yours that they did something to help
> you,

No, I didn't, and I have set that forth above, clearly:

>> I never said that ahm helped me. Not once. What I wrote was this:
>>
>> Message ID: <5q1vdjFtc92uU1@mid.individual.net>
>>
>> "Do you have a ****ing clue what they do these days? I do. And I'm
>> grateful as hell to them for it. Some of those folks are my heros,
>> and they know why, because many months ago, I thanked them for it--
>> ThePsyko, in particular."
>>
>> Do you see the word "help" up there? Do you see evul's name up there?

> and that I hadn't figured out what it is they do yet.

Right. And it was just in the last couple of days, which means...
> You also
> did imply they would in some way shape or form pose a threat to HHI;
> and they do not. I responded that I figured they went after
> pedophiles,

....that your claim above is a blatant lie. You did not respond that you
"figured they went after pedophiles," and I challenge you to post proof
to the contrary.

> not pirates and fellow hackers, and from what I've been
> told, that's correct.

And I never told you they "go after" pirates or fellow hackers.

But I bet if you ask them straight out, they don't think well of those
who go real life for the purpose of net.revenge.

> Obviously you had an issue with a pedophile and they assisted in his
> prosecution or something?

"Obviously"? Obviously not, Dustin, or you wouldn't have made it a
question. You're the one who keeps saying they "helped" me. I never said
that. Never.

> Who knows. I don't care. Either way, it has
> nothing to do with my activities.

Obviously you do care, or you wouldn't keep talking about it.

>> <shakes head> What you have is moron credit--if "credit" is really
>> the appropriate word.
>
> Rhonda, your the only real moron in the entire thread. Nobody emails
> there name, address and phone number as an email signature if they
> don't intend for it to get around. Sorry, but that's reality. *you*
> ****ed up.

Dustin, you keep trying to make it my fault that you betrayed my trust
and posted my real life information to alt.sex, inviting people to come
to the house I share with my daughter and my grandmother.

The reality is that you are scum.

> Despite your weak efforts to claim I made the infamous post in
> alt.sex, I personally, did *not* do so. I had a hand in it's
> creation, sure, and I take whatever credit that's worth, but you need
> to get over yourself in a serious way. You've resorted to stalking me
> and hijacking threads to discuss how badly I wronged you with that
> alt.sex post.

Show how I've stalked you, Dustin. I was posting here long before we had
a problem. Indeed, you were the person who kept showing up in places
where you didn't post much in order to respond to posts I was making.
The difference between us is I can document my allegations and you
cannot.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Some are tempted to think of life in cyberspace as insignificant,
as escape or meaningless diversion. It is not. Our experiences there
are serious play. We belittle them at our risk. Sherry Turkle