Dustin Cook wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in news:5nl7khFit7hnU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> He doesn't tolerate spam, however, so you are in error when you say
>
> My bad. Long day. quick typing...
>
>> The AUP is enforced in accordance with its terms, no matter how much
>> Gary likes or dislikes someone.
>
> Indeed it is, even if his server is knowingly being used to harrass or
> otherwise annoy various usenet groups. Freedom of speech n all.

I mentioned David Goldberger. He was an ACLU lawyer who defended the
right of the Nazis to march through Skokie. He is on record as not
thinking well of his client (to put it mildly), but he held to the
belief that if one fails to honor the rights of one person (or group),
one does irreparable damage to the rights of all persons (or groups).

Goldberger is Jewish, and he took a real beating in certain quarters,
because he was viewed as a traitor. The ACLU lost funding (contributions
and memberships) because defending Nazis was not a popular cause, but
under the theory that if one applies a principle to one group, one must
apply it to all the rest, it was a very important case.

http://www.digitalpast.org/cdm4/item...OPTR=208&REC=5

http://www.digitalpast.org/cgi-bin/s...01&CISOPTR=208

The above is one of the tests of an ethical principal, btw--whether the
rule you wish to apply in one case is applicable to all similar cases.
This is why I continue to caution Leythos about painting with such a
broad brush.

For example, Vanguard is over in 24hs.hd calling me a spammer and egoist
(by implication) because my sig doesn't comply with RFC 1855 (which
itself states that it "does not specify an Internet standard of any
kind"). His general principle about sigs makes Leythos a spammer and
egoist too, but I rather doubt that's what Vanguard intended.

See the problem? It's easy enough to nail butts on the wrong things he
actually does without attributing wrongness to everything he does that
ethical others also do.

>>>> except to the extent that anyone who messes with you in a way that
>>>> constitutes abuse of the net will pay the price for it, because
>>>> Gary doesn't tolerate that any more than he tolerates a violation
>>>> of his
>>>
>>> What horse****. If someone or a group wanted databasix that bad,
>>> they could take it.
>>
>> I disagree with your statement, but it has nothing to do with what I
>> wrote, so it's irrelevant.
>
> Your lack of network knowledge and DDoSing noted, the point really
> isn't about all of that tho. No site is invicible on the internet. If
> someone/group/whatever wanted to down something bad enough, it could
> be done, regardless of who runs/admins it.
>
>> You almost had the point, but then you veered. The focus is not
>> DataBasix, but pcbutts.
>
>
> Well, to be honest.. From what I've read of the conversation, The
> focus seems to be on you trying to get leythos from posting the same
> old canned responses everytime pcbutts hits post. *grin*

Well, I don't think he's doing himself any service when he screams about
porn. Face it, most people don't have such a big problem with porn per
se, but just specific types of porn. (See the article from Slate I
posted elsewhere.) The fact that butts' pages are childish is another
matter, but in essence, even though he uses pornographic images, the
intent is not to disseminate pornography. The images are merely
representative of his very immature response to opposition.

But Leythos has other problems--he *does* stalk butts, and that's not
ethical. I understand why he does it, but I wouldn't condone it in
someone else so why should I condone it in him, even if I happen to be
in agreement with him about the subject of his stalking? (See? There's
another example of what I was talking about above.)

He's an intelligent enough man that he should see this, but somehow,
he's so stuck on butts, he can't quite get to the logic of it.

But the point of that particular post was something else, and as I said,
you almost had it until you veered.

--

Rhonda Lea Kirk

AUK Galactic Killfile, 15 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.u...766545e259d53c
Winner, Golden Killfile, April 2007
Co-Office Holder, Ministry of Circle Jerks, April and May 2007
Member, Human O-Ring Society, March 2003
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