Interesting information bluecollarpc.net's toolbar

[Dustin Cook]

cbgerry <cbgerry@bluecollarpc.net> wrote in
news:1184540805.939299.161930@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com:

> And this is your idea of reciprocity ? Which shows I am intelligent
> and you are not ? Poor baby (yah yah yah yah yahyah gahgah) did some

Radio Plug-In removed
15/07/2007

The radio plug-in has been removed from our toolbar to avoid contact with
unknown websites (channels) and possible infection. SEE:
http://bluecollarpc.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=403

Is that the only reason you've removed it, or are you trying to evade
BugHunter detection routines?

I previously said you were an ******* for suggesting people to get the
toolbar, and you admit it's now a security risk with atleast one of it's
plug-ins. I rightfully detect that junk, and the next signature update
will continue to protect users from your ignorance. I wonder what you'll
suggest people do next, for "security". Sheesh.

> HEY GET ****ED JERK OFF ....SAID THAT....THIS JUST WENT TO CONDUIT.COM
> WHOM I AM SURE WILL BE KNOKING ON YOUR DOOR IMMEDIATELY FAGGER

Bring it on.




--
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Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2c
email: bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
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[cbgerry]

On Jul 15, 9:36 pm, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote:
> cbgerry <cbge...@bluecollarpc.net> wrote innews:1184540805.939299.161930@57g2000hsv.googleg roups.com:
>
> > And this is your idea of reciprocity ? Which shows I am intelligent
> > and you are not ? Poor baby (yah yah yah yah yahyah gahgah) did some
>
> Radio Plug-In removed
> 15/07/2007
>
> The radio plug-in has been removed from our toolbar to avoid contact with
> unknown websites (channels) and possible infection. SEE:http://bluecollarpc.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=403
>
> Is that the only reason you've removed it, or are you trying to evade
> BugHunter detection routines?
>
> I previously said you were an ******* for suggesting people to get the
> toolbar, and you admit it's now a security risk with atleast one of it's
> plug-ins. I rightfully detect that junk, and the next signature update
> will continue to protect users from your ignorance. I wonder what you'll
> suggest people do next, for "security". Sheesh.
>
> > HEY GET ****ED JERK OFF ....SAID THAT....THIS JUST WENT TO CONDUIT.COM
> > WHOM I AM SURE WILL BE KNOKING ON YOUR DOOR IMMEDIATELY FAGGER
>
> Bring it on.
>
> --
> Dustin Cook
> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2c
> email: bughunter.dus...@gmail.com.removethis
> web..:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
> Pad..:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

You are full of it sir and this is a personal attack. There are over a
million Conduit.com toolbars and mine is one of them. They are all the
exact same thing including mine - so why did you pick mine out as the
only one infected ??? It doesn't make sense. Again McAfee has stated
there is absolutely no infection in "bluecollarpc" community toolbar.
Now when I get personally attacked that was how I responded - earlier
deleted message.

So my civil question is why did you pick my toolbar out that is
exactly the same exact for user name as one million plus of the same
exact toolbar from the same exact creator and server - Conduit.com ?

In other words Conduit.com offers these free toolbars to anyone and
there have been over a million created. Each user that creates one can
pick out of there services any of a large handful of features to add
to it. There is absolutely nothing the user can add personally into
the toolbar such as malware in what ever - script code language
whatever. So if every one of these toolbars are exactly the same thing
except for user name and what they chose to be their features add-ins
- then what are you saying ? You are only getting malware positives on
my toolbar ? That is absurd. There would be over a million hits for
the malware because it would be in over a million toolbars and come
from Conduit.com.

What are you saying ? The bluecollarpc toolbar from Conduit.com is the
only one you found with malware in it ??? For me this is completely
absurd and I reacted to being singled out of over a million people
with the same product none of us created. If you have a report then I
suggest you have filed it with Conduit.com - not me. I did not create
it. I fail to see your "professionalism" in this matter. Apparently
you are that lacking as to have come across your very first
Conduit.com Free Community Toolbar and assumed it was a creation by
the webmaster of the BlueCollarPC.Net. This is what was absurd - to be
charged by you like this.

Your charges against me would be the same thing as a worm affecting
the Yahoo Groups Service - and then blame me for it as the Group Owner
of BlueCollarPC.Net News Group. This is absurd. Same thing, there are
thousands upon thousands of Yahoo Groups - free - created by thousands
and thousands of individuals. Again ther, there is nothing the user
can put into the Yahoo Groups except choice of features provided by
Yahoo.

Do you understand my points ? Would that help as an aplogy for the
rage reply ? Or do you hold onto I am guilty of some malware
insertion ? I can accept your answer either way... I mean it would
seem you obviously tested the download I am guessing. Of course I
would suggest you create your own as a webmaster and then test that.
If the malware hits are not the same then I could obviously observe
your findings then and I would immedaitely remove the bluecollarpc
free toolbar from the Internet and tell all users the same -
immedaitely uninstall it.

You see you have opened a great can of worms here - and as far as some
real unresolved issues - that can involve having my websites shut down
as malicious content websites in Violations Of Terms Of Service.

Let me say that I am a simple consumer. I qualify myself as an
Advanced User (Windows). I am completely non-commercial. The best I
can offer your comments is that I downloaded the toolbar after I chose
its name and features and it was ready at Conduit.com for download. At
the time I was running Trend Micro Antispyware and Webroot Spysweeper.
There were absolutely no indications of malware with the toolbar
installed and running on both Internet Explorer and then I installed
the Firefox version. No indications of malware. I did scans and as
well there are absolutely no indications of infection as far as
antivirus softwares. So as far as Webroot, Trend Micro, Clam, AVG are
concerned oh, and McAfee Site Advisor, there is no such thing as any
malware infection in the bluecollarpc free toolbar.

For the statements you made and how they would appear qualified - I am
the LAST person you would notifiy about your opinion of any malware
infection in my toolbar - my, because I am the user-owner of it by
user account. Your reports would be assumed to have been made with all
the big names - many were here. Have you made any infection reports ?
What were the results ? You mean you haven't put your money where your
mouth and made infection reports ? I am sorrry but I have never heard
of you as far as any independent Testing Lab - are you one ? Why would
you be contacting me ? Have you contacted any other "user creators" of
Conduit.com Community Toolbars ? Why Not ?

I mean if you have any grit - yopu certainly understand all the
implications here and this is just the tip of the iceberg need I say
more ? You are quite welcome to HELP out by joining any of our Groups
or Forums or all to discuss this in full to achieve some remedy. This
would be on the "professional" side of things naturally because you
are "titled" and I could not speak to you in any other manner than a
professional courtesy because there are names made everyday so to
speak in the security industry. What I am suggesting here is that you
may be one of them and your discovery can simply NOT go unnoticed
obviously. I would respect everything you say in this manner at my
groups is a promise. Here (news group) we know anything flaky is
immediately deemed as a Troll and slammed ummercifully. That was my
original response - and let's hope not deservedly so.

I am trying to think right off hand of the virus board (very famous)
where reports are received.... ahhh VirusTotal.com and of course all
quality spyware softwares have website forms to report infection. I am
wandering why you brought this to me first and not them. THAT is very,
very "unprofessional" and because of that demanded the response I
made. 'Nuff said ? If you are genuinely interested in the pc and
online security of all of the community of computer users as I am -
then I expect to hear some immediate results from on our behalf....
'till then

Gerald Founds, Philadelphia PA USA
Webmaster BlueCollarPC.Net BlueCollarPC.Org and all associated groups,
forums, and lists respective owner.

You know where I live on the Net. Be there ! My apologies, I regret
earlier communications as very childish perhaps. See you soon I will
help with your reports.

[Dustin Cook]

cbgerry <cbgerry@bluecollarpc.net> wrote in
news:1184589318.719205.5580@57g2000hsv.googlegroup s.com:

> You are full of it sir and this is a personal attack. There are over a
> million Conduit.com toolbars and mine is one of them. They are all the

Indeed conduit has a large amount of rebranded toolbars around. Yours is
one of them, several others I believe are also known to BugHunter. They
are added based on when I recieve viable samples. In your case, since you
advertise it, I visited your site and downloaded it, Installed it via
firefox and IE using sandboxie, so I could see exactly what changes it
makes.

> exact same thing including mine - so why did you pick mine out as the
> only one infected ??? It doesn't make sense. Again McAfee has stated

Please see above. I really don't pick and choose. The targets are
selected based on samples I recieve and what they do.

> there is absolutely no infection in "bluecollarpc" community toolbar.


BugHunter doesn't look for infections, as viruses cause those.
Spyware/adware/keyloggers are really all trojans, and BugHunter does
detect some of them. The toolbar itself is classified by me as
Adware/trackware. It poses a security risk for the following reasons.

1. It transfers "anonymous" usage data back to conduit.com; this data
stream is actually encrypted, so who knows what it really sends to them.

2. The radio option as you noticed is a security risk, you don't have
control over the sites it's tied too.

3. The other plugins don't always communicate strickly with your server
either.

4. The company which actually produces the code inside the toolbar still
employs questionable business practices.

5. Officially, because the toolbar actually installs itself as an
extension, and not as a plugin, is against the mozilla foundation rules.
Your toolbar generates income for conduit based on what users search for.
If they click a result, conduit gets paid. They are leeching off of
firefox users. What you click is apparently "anonymously" tracked back to
conduit. Anonymous only serving to mean that it can't be tied to the
specific computer your using... Atleast, I don't know of any exploits yet
which would allow that with this program.

> Now when I get personally attacked that was how I responded - earlier
> deleted message.

I didn't personally attack you, aside from calling you an idiot.

> So my civil question is why did you pick my toolbar out that is
> exactly the same exact for user name as one million plus of the same
> exact toolbar from the same exact creator and server - Conduit.com ?

Reasons for including it provided above. You were not singled out, Your
toolbar was easy to get access too, and I did as any normal user would do
who's curious. I downloaded it and analyzed it. When I noticed it's
actually conduits work, rebranded, red flags went up.

> In other words Conduit.com offers these free toolbars to anyone and
> there have been over a million created. Each user that creates one can

That's right. Over a million variants of the software, passed along to
unsuspecting users who simply don't know any better.

> pick out of there services any of a large handful of features to add
> to it. There is absolutely nothing the user can add personally into
> the toolbar such as malware in what ever - script code language
> whatever. So if every one of these toolbars are exactly the same thing

Not true, sir. Your extension installation for firefox can be
edited/altered easily. In fact, it's javascript when installed for
firefox, and an actual DLL when used in IE. The supporting plugins are,
java scripts with xml configuration files. Very easy to expand upon.

> except for user name and what they chose to be their features add-ins
> - then what are you saying ? You are only getting malware positives on

See above.

> Your charges against me would be the same thing as a worm affecting
> the Yahoo Groups Service - and then blame me for it as the Group Owner
> of BlueCollarPC.Net News Group. This is absurd. Same thing, there are

I haven't made any charges against you, directly. I don't recommend
people make use of your toolbar, for the reasons I stated above. That
doesn't mean I don't recommend you, as I am neutral (or try to be) as far
as your informational providing is concerned. I disagree with the
majority of your posts, but alas, that's my right to do so, and your
right to post the material I think is nonsense.

> thousands upon thousands of Yahoo Groups - free - created by thousands
> and thousands of individuals. Again ther, there is nothing the user
> can put into the Yahoo Groups except choice of features provided by
> Yahoo.

Agreed, with yahoo groups. Your toolbar however isn't yahoo groups, and
certainly can be altered once installed.

> Do you understand my points ? Would that help as an aplogy for the
> rage reply ? Or do you hold onto I am guilty of some malware

You don't owe me any apology. You weren't very professional in your
previous correspondence with me, but I understand why. I really didn't
target you, I targetted software that I don't think you should be
inviting users to download. BugHunter doesn't automatically remove it,
unless the users tells it to do so, so in the end, the user still has the
final say in whether or not it lives or dies.

> insertion ? I can accept your answer either way... I mean it would
> seem you obviously tested the download I am guessing. Of course I

No guessing required. I'm a programmer, testing/analyzing/writing code is
something I do. I even surf myspace on purpose looking for new
samples. *grin*

> your findings then and I would immedaitely remove the bluecollarpc
> free toolbar from the Internet and tell all users the same -
> immedaitely uninstall it.

Your site is about security, and I understand your desire to help users.
You can start by removing the toolbar, and suggesting users uninstall it.
No security site in it's right mind would be asking users to download and
install any sort of toolbar.

I'm not asking you to accept/admit any fault. As a precautionary measure,
if nothing else, I'm asking you to remove the toolbar and suggest your
userbase do the same. I have filled out an account on your forums,
Hopefully you will allow it to go thru, and we can discuss this further
if you'd like. You can also email me at the email address I left on your
site. I know you hate google, and apparently yahoo, but those are what I
use for email corresponce and I have for a very very long time. Please
excuse the addresses in my case, if you don't mind.

> You see you have opened a great can of worms here - and as far as some
> real unresolved issues - that can involve having my websites shut down
> as malicious content websites in Violations Of Terms Of Service.

I have no intention of trying to have your website shutdown. Your not
actually hosting the toolbar yourself, so you don't have to worry about
that anyway.

> Let me say that I am a simple consumer. I qualify myself as an
> Advanced User (Windows). I am completely non-commercial. The best I
> can offer your comments is that I downloaded the toolbar after I chose
> its name and features and it was ready at Conduit.com for download. At

I would agree with your assessment. I strongly disagree with some of your
editorials and I'll be happy to debate them on you forum openly, with
your permission of course. I figured you checked out the toolbar, saw
it's potential to increase traffic and started recommending it. Somehow,
you noticed the radio plugin has issues and have since disabled that, as
a precautionary measure, if nothing else, while admitting no fault
whatsoever, please remove the toolbar. If you already found one plugin
with potential risk, why place your users at continued risk?

> the time I was running Trend Micro Antispyware and Webroot Spysweeper.
> There were absolutely no indications of malware with the toolbar
> installed and running on both Internet Explorer and then I installed
> the Firefox version. No indications of malware. I did scans and as

As you should know, and if not, you do now, no program regardless of it's
free/commercial status catches everything. Malware is released at an
alarming rate by farms which basically xmit the same thing, slightly
modified.

> well there are absolutely no indications of infection as far as
> antivirus softwares. So as far as Webroot, Trend Micro, Clam, AVG are
> concerned oh, and McAfee Site Advisor, there is no such thing as any
> malware infection in the bluecollarpc free toolbar.

The toolbar itself allows for 3rd party things to be installed,
potentially without user consent. The toolbar can easily be modified by a
user or another party, and this too is a security risk issue.

> For the statements you made and how they would appear qualified - I am
> the LAST person you would notifiy about your opinion of any malware
> infection in my toolbar - my, because I am the user-owner of it by
> user account. Your reports would be assumed to have been made with all

Actually, I always try to contact the author of a program I'm checking
out, to see if my findings match theres or if they can explain why it
does this or that. I did this in your case by creating an account the
other day. You deleted it?

> the big names - many were here. Have you made any infection reports ?
> What were the results ? You mean you haven't put your money where your

Those big names you like to toss around are automated scanning sites, I
use them myself. A human doesn't at the time of your submittal examine
it. Eventually, some av researchers will get there hands on the sample,
but until then, it's all good according to the automated systems.

You should *not* ever assume that if you get no hits for malware by
submitting them that the file really is safe.

> mouth and made infection reports ? I am sorrry but I have never heard
> of you as far as any independent Testing Lab - are you one ? Why would

I'm not a lab. I'm a reformed virus writer. I used to write the "bad
stuff". heh.

> you be contacting me ? Have you contacted any other "user creators" of
> Conduit.com Community Toolbars ? Why Not ?

I have tried to contact you, in email and by creating an account on your
forum. I have contacted authors of various other things which I detect.
I've even contacted PcButts over his pirated scripts.

> I mean if you have any grit - yopu certainly understand all the
> implications here and this is just the tip of the iceberg need I say

No implications that I can see. Your concerned for your site, and you
have no reason to be alarmed. Nobody is trying to take you to court or
have you shutdown. I'm simply trying to make you understand, hopefully,
that this toolbar is a bad idea. Your a security site, don't provide
risks to your users.

> more ? You are quite welcome to HELP out by joining any of our Groups
> or Forums or all to discuss this in full to achieve some remedy. This

I have created another account today, the name of which is Raid. I'd be
happy to post on your groups and explain the situation if this hasn't for
you. I have no personal issues with you yourself, I do however, disagree
with several of your posts on your forum and I'd like to discuss those as
well. Security is an important task, and I'm glad your interested in
helping people, it's good of you. It would be even better if the
information you provided was more accurate, and I would be glad to help
you in this respect.

> may be one of them and your discovery can simply NOT go unnoticed
> obviously. I would respect everything you say in this manner at my
> groups is a promise. Here (news group) we know anything flaky is
> immediately deemed as a Troll and slammed ummercifully. That was my
> original response - and let's hope not deservedly so.

A troll I'm not, as you will learn.

> I am trying to think right off hand of the virus board (very famous)
> where reports are received.... ahhh VirusTotal.com and of course all
> quality spyware softwares have website forms to report infection. I am
> wandering why you brought this to me first and not them. THAT is very,
> very "unprofessional" and because of that demanded the response I

I have tried to bring my findings to your attention privately. I was
actually hoping we could get this removed and not really make a big deal
out of it. Everybody learns, you know? Conduit has been contacted
numerous times by various companies over this toolbar of theres.

> made. 'Nuff said ? If you are genuinely interested in the pc and
> online security of all of the community of computer users as I am -
> then I expect to hear some immediate results from on our behalf....
> 'till then

Indeed I am. BugHunter is my little way of giving back for some of the
harm I caused.

> You know where I live on the Net. Be there ! My apologies, I regret
> earlier communications as very childish perhaps. See you soon I will
> help with your reports.

I'm looking forward to a decent dialogue with you, sir.

--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - v2.2c
email: bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
web..: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
Pad..: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[cbgerry]

On Jul 16, 10:23 pm, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote:
> cbgerry <cbge...@bluecollarpc.net> wrote innews:1184589318.719205.5580@57g2000hsv.googlegro ups.com:
>
> > You are full of it sir and this is a personal attack. There are over a
> > million Conduit.com toolbars and mine is one of them. They are all the
>
> Indeed conduit has a large amount of rebranded toolbars around. Yours is
> one of them, several others I believe are also known to BugHunter. They
> are added based on when I recieve viable samples. In your case, since you
> advertise it, I visited your site and downloaded it, Installed it via
> firefox and IE using sandboxie, so I could see exactly what changes it
> makes.
>
> > exact same thing including mine - so why did you pick mine out as the
> > only one infected ??? It doesn't make sense. Again McAfee has stated
>
> Please see above. I really don't pick and choose. The targets are
> selected based on samples I recieve and what they do.
>
> > there is absolutely no infection in "bluecollarpc" community toolbar.
>
> BugHunter doesn't look for infections, as viruses cause those.
> Spyware/adware/keyloggers are really all trojans, and BugHunter does
> detect some of them. The toolbar itself is classified by me as
> Adware/trackware. It poses a security risk for the following reasons.
>
> 1. It transfers "anonymous" usage data back to conduit.com; this data
> stream is actually encrypted, so who knows what it really sends to them.
>
> 2. The radio option as you noticed is a security risk, you don't have
> control over the sites it's tied too.
>
> 3. The other plugins don't always communicate strickly with your server
> either.
>
> 4. The company which actually produces the code inside the toolbar still
> employs questionable business practices.
>
> 5. Officially, because the toolbar actually installs itself as an
> extension, and not as a plugin, is against the mozilla foundation rules.
> Your toolbar generates income for conduit based on what users search for.
> If they click a result, conduit gets paid. They are leeching off of
> firefox users. What you click is apparently "anonymously" tracked back to
> conduit. Anonymous only serving to mean that it can't be tied to the
> specific computer your using... Atleast, I don't know of any exploits yet
> which would allow that with this program.
>
> > Now when I get personally attacked that was how I responded - earlier
> > deleted message.
>
> I didn't personally attack you, aside from calling you an idiot.
>
> > So my civil question is why did you pick my toolbar out that is
> > exactly the same exact for user name as one million plus of the same
> > exact toolbar from the same exact creator and server - Conduit.com ?
>
> Reasons for including it provided above. You were not singled out, Your
> toolbar was easy to get access too, and I did as any normal user would do
> who's curious. I downloaded it and analyzed it. When I noticed it's
> actually conduits work, rebranded, red flags went up.
>
> > In other words Conduit.com offers these free toolbars to anyone and
> > there have been over a million created. Each user that creates one can
>
> That's right. Over a million variants of the software, passed along to
> unsuspecting users who simply don't know any better.
>
> > pick out of there services any of a large handful of features to add
> > to it. There is absolutely nothing the user can add personally into
> > the toolbar such as malware in what ever - script code language
> > whatever. So if every one of these toolbars are exactly the same thing
>
> Not true, sir. Your extension installation for firefox can be
> edited/altered easily. In fact, it's javascript when installed for
> firefox, and an actual DLL when used in IE. The supporting plugins are,
> java scripts with xml configuration files. Very easy to expand upon.
>
> > except for user name and what they chose to be their features add-ins
> > - then what are you saying ? You are only getting malware positives on
>
> See above.
>
> > Your charges against me would be the same thing as a worm affecting
> > the Yahoo Groups Service - and then blame me for it as the Group Owner
> > of BlueCollarPC.Net News Group. This is absurd. Same thing, there are
>
> I haven't made any charges against you, directly. I don't recommend
> people make use of your toolbar, for the reasons I stated above. That
> doesn't mean I don't recommend you, as I am neutral (or try to be) as far
> as your informational providing is concerned. I disagree with the
> majority of your posts, but alas, that's my right to do so, and your
> right to post the material I think is nonsense.
>
> > thousands upon thousands of Yahoo Groups - free - created by thousands
> > and thousands of individuals. Again ther, there is nothing the user
> > can put into the Yahoo Groups except choice of features provided by
> > Yahoo.
>
> Agreed, with yahoo groups. Your toolbar however isn't yahoo groups, and
> certainly can be altered once installed.
>
> > Do you understand my points ? Would that help as an aplogy for the
> > rage reply ? Or do you hold onto I am guilty of some malware
>
> You don't owe me any apology. You weren't very professional in your
> previous correspondence with me, but I understand why. I really didn't
> target you, I targetted software that I don't think you should be
> inviting users to download. BugHunter doesn't automatically remove it,
> unless the users tells it to do so, so in the end, the user still has the
> final say in whether or not it lives or dies.
>
> > insertion ? I can accept your answer either way... I mean it would
> > seem you obviously tested the download I am guessing. Of course I
>
> No guessing required. I'm a programmer, testing/analyzing/writing code is
> something I do. I even surf myspace on purpose looking for new
> samples. *grin*
>
> > your findings then and I would immedaitely remove the bluecollarpc
> > free toolbar from the Internet and tell all users the same -
> > immedaitely uninstall it.
>
> Your site is about security, and I understand your desire to help users.
> You can start by removing the toolbar, and suggesting users uninstall it.
> No security site in it's right mind would be asking users to download and
> install any sort of toolbar.
>
> I'm not asking you to accept/admit any fault. As a precautionary measure,
> if nothing else, I'm asking you to remove the toolbar and suggest your
> userbase do the same. I have filled out an account on your forums,
> Hopefully you will allow it to go thru, and we can discuss this further
> if you'd like. You can also email me at the email address I left on your
> site. I know you hate google, and apparently yahoo, but those are what I
> use for email corresponce and I have for a very very long time. Please
> excuse the addresses in my case, if you don't mind.
>
> > You see you have opened a great can of worms here - and as far as some
> > real unresolved issues - that can involve having my websites shut down
> > as malicious content websites in Violations Of Terms Of Service.
>
> I have no intention of trying to have your website shutdown. Your not
> actually hosting the toolbar yourself, so you don't have to worry about
> that anyway.
>
> > Let me say that I am a simple consumer. I qualify myself as an
> > Advanced User (Windows). I am completely non-commercial. The best I
> > can offer your comments is that I downloaded the toolbar after I chose
> > its name and features and it was ready at Conduit.com for download. At
>
> I would agree with your assessment. I strongly disagree with some of your
> editorials and I'll be happy to debate them on you forum openly, with
> your permission of course. I figured you checked out the toolbar, saw
> it's potential to increase traffic and started recommending it. Somehow,
> you noticed the radio plugin has issues and have since disabled that, as
> a precautionary measure, if nothing else, while admitting no fault
> whatsoever, please remove the toolbar. If you already found one plugin
> with potential risk, why place your users at continued risk?
>
> > the time I was running Trend Micro Antispyware and Webroot Spysweeper.
> > There were absolutely no indications of malware with the toolbar
> > installed and running on both Internet Explorer and then I installed
> > the Firefox version. No indications of malware. I did scans and as
>
> As you should know, and if not, you do now, no program regardless of it's
> free/commercial status catches everything. Malware is released at an
> alarming rate by farms which basically xmit the same thing, slightly
> modified.
>
> > well there are absolutely no indications of infection as far as
> > antivirus softwares. So as far as Webroot, Trend Micro, Clam, AVG are
> > concerned oh, and McAfee Site Advisor, there is no such thing as any
> > malware infection in the bluecollarpc free toolbar.
>
> The toolbar itself allows for 3rd party things to be installed,
> potentially without user consent. The toolbar can easily be modified by a
> user or another party, and this too is a security risk issue.
>
> > For the statements you made and how they would appear qualified - I am
> > the LAST person you would notifiy about your opinion of any malware
> > infection in my toolbar - my, because I am the user-owner of it by
> > user account. Your reports would be assumed to have been made with all
>
> Actually, I always try to contact the author of a program I'm checking
> out, to see if my findings match theres or if they can explain why it
> does this or that. I did this in your case by creating an account the
> other day. You deleted it?
>
> > the big names - many were here. Have you made any infection reports ?
> > What were the results ? You mean you haven't put your money where your
>
> Those big names you like to toss around are automated scanning sites, I
> use them myself. A human doesn't at the time of your submittal examine
> it. Eventually, some av researchers will get there hands on the sample,
> but until then, it's all good according to the automated systems.
>
> You should *not* ever assume that if you get no hits for malware by
> submitting them that the file really is safe.
>
>
>
> > mouth and made infection reports ? I am sorrry but I have never heard
> > of you as far as any
>
> ...
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Preface: I don't think it was plain to the apparent owner of Bughunter
that the previous posts that Site Advisor calls Red Download site
warnings are certainly not the owner home domain - Dustin Cook
Bughunter. I thought that was quite clear to any reader - it is to me.
So here to avoid the confusion perhaps even caused by Dustin C
clouding the content of those posts seemingly - or perhaps even a
little "snow blind" in anger for the moment not seeing that NONE of
those Red Download sites were his Home Domain as Bughunter Owner
commonly or public well known as Bughunter at bughunter.it-
mate.co.uk ......

So here is the actual 'All Green Download" McAfee Site Advisor Report
- For Dustin Cook Bughunter - the real Owner and Real Bughunter
Product Homepages or Official Bughunter website - however you wish to
word it - or in real world, right, Dustin Cook owner of Bughunter and
the bughunter.it-mate.co.uk official domain website "where bughunter
lives on the net" - the Official real Bughunter and real Website to
obtain it from. (I call that explanation dead banged). It is obvious
to anyone reading it. Like one report is even the download
"registered" at Snapfiles.com - so that is what I mean as obvious to
anyone reading it.... like the first thing that hits me there is okay,
the owner must have registered with Snapfiles to sell, distribute, or
offer whatever version of download, whatever descriptive words are
your cup of tea accurately, but that certainly that is OBVIOUSLY not
the bughunter.it-mate.co.uk website. It is the software download at
Snapfiles.com and not at bughunter.it-mate.co.uk in other words. Each
of those RED warning download sites are along the same exact line.

You (if you are reading this) Dustin C are a very aggressive person
apparently and it is extremely hard to have a civil conversation with
you. You do say a lot of incorrect things about me and curse like a
sailor continually. This is offensive and angering. That is irritating
in the internet setting because of some major calm here. Well, right,
to each his own. I am use to the "Family Setting" protocols around at
different places. My cup of tea. But let me finalize as saying I can
appreciate your great effort to go out of your way to continually slam
me as you and I - the Prince and the pauper. Your never have seemed to
leave that out in any of our very brief communications. Orderlys don't
hang out with Doctors, fair enough - we certainly don't "hang" -
street jargon.

All I can say is you sir, Dustin C, invite chapters. Have you heard
that before ? ( I am just ranting , not expecting answers, I think you
misunderstand too much the "underclass").

Well I am thinking I can add here what I came to say - because
everything below this is information not conversation. I'll try
list...

1) Your final observation about the toolbar is "Potential Danger".
2) You are responsible to yourself for copyright violations and
unauthorized distribution of software you own. I suggest you call your
lawyer about these. I certainly am not to blame. They are. Get angry
with them. Have their websites shut down. Have your software
immediately removed from them. Call your Lawyer about that Mr. Cook.I
mean I would. The point is a security software is being offered at -
apparently according to McAfee Site Advisor - at malicious content
websites. Do you really want your product associated with that ? Have
you - or are they authorized by your permission to distribute your
Bughunter ? I mean you see the results by a simple Google Search with
Site Advisor and how outraged you are at the mere mention of that by
me. You exploded. Do it to them. They are the cause of this. I am not
the cause of the public warnings from Site Advisor that are quite
public on the internet. First couple of pages of results and there you
are bang, bang, bang 3 red ones. I mean that in the business / profit
aspect - and then just change it to freeware then... don't be so
stringent in interpretation. This is how it appears you are greatly
misunderstanding what is being said - at least on the side of common
folk. Actually I / we were offering some help, but you stormed past.
These are the reasons I suddenly blocked membership. I am not getting
paid for this. This is not something I can change. I am not going to
have my Forum turned into the Bughunter Soap Opera - roughly making
the point. (You just don't understand the away I talk). In other words
I am guessing the well known for years traditional Hackers Lounge is
"your flavor" as they say over in Linux world. I am a medium -
disseminating information if you will. Actually, threats removal with
any software is a learning curve for the public. I am just one
volunteer for average consumerism trying to bridge the gap. You
actually need to be an "Advanced User" to actually understand and do
things correctly without someone worrying over your back. I call it
'Computer Operator" at their "Station" like having a driver's license
for a Novice their first day behind the wheel. This is who stops in
over my way. And granted, this topic should be a part of the
repertoire as just another vein in the massive place called
cyberspace. So the point was with these type topics - it is quite
necessary for days and days even to resolve things. It can take a lot
of communications. That is what was referred to as the Soap Opera....
that is what this looks like to the average consumer. The average
consumer is extremely pressed for an hour maybe two at a session and
not even on a regular basis as well. Threatwares mess that up bad and
what is worst, trying to find information of how to take care of it
immediately. The majority of people are in a great hurry on the Net -
and that is my reference to long needed conversations being
sarcastically as a "What's this Soap Opera? Let me out of here".. like
I said you severely misunderstand what I say. You completely judge me
wrongly it seems continually or maybe you are just mean spirited.
Whatever... and now this is turning into a soap opera. Cahnge
Channels.

3) Let me floor this to important information I wished to say as a
bottom line here... So the whole rest of this point is that a sleeping
public may not know the other angles to all this. As far as the Red
zones - there are now in alarming numbers what are called "Disposable
Domains". The spammer yesterday may have opened a free yahoo account
and started sending UCE (spam) until Yahoo caught them and closed the
account without warning. Right back to Yahoo and they would just open
another account until shut down until they finally earned the name in
security as "Disposable accounts". This has obviously translated to
Botherders today reportedly responsible for up to 70 percent or more
of world UCE (spam). This is now a new name "Disposable Domains"
whereby at the same attitude websites are opened and shut down like
the old example of Yahoo email accounts. Point is that with pirated
software or Unauthorized Use someone's software can suddenly appear at
one of these Disposable Domains and the cyber criminals can add
malicious content to the website for drive-by installations of malware
and the worst can even rifle a pirated copy of software and relaunch
it with adware, spyware, and or other malware or all together and more
at the Disposable Domain site.... and we all know how irate that is
going to make the owner of the original software to say the very
least.

4) .... Cut to the chase point is that the Red Zone listed sites can
easily be this in the McAfee Site Advisor Reports. So that I said all
of this to point out that out if missed and that what may have been
missed ORIGINALLY is that Dustin Cook Bughunter bughunter.it-
mate.co.uk DOES NOT appear as a "red download" warning at McAfee Site
Advisor and below I have added that proof that is quite public and
available to the public with a download of Site Advisor installed in
Internet Explorer or Firefox browsers.

I think this should be plain, and definitely accepted as truth:
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Site Advisor:Green Download BUGHUNTERbughunter.it-mate.co.uk ...

Site Advisor Report On: All Green Download...
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[ps u betta hope u donn pay fer dhis: "Potential Danger" is my
apology. I am now reading everything I posted to see if I ever said
quite literally what you accuse me of. Wait for it - I will make one
last post. If I did not I will say so. Frankly your communications are
too repulsive and I wished this closed immediately. One of your last
posts Dustin - you are lying again. You are not blocked from
communicating with my Official Webmaster Address to Request Removal of
Offensive Material. Ask your lawyer about that - because He/She is
required by Law under the Federal Trade Commission to do that to
achieve what you are saying - or aren't? No, I do not answer hostility
and abuse at my personal addresses. And no I don't answer Unsolicited
Email as rule. Webmaster and Postmaster are NOT personal addresses.
You have said some very cheap things about my email addresses that was
quite unexpected and may be beyond your understanding. Like I said you
talk to your lawyer and he will tell you that you have to be VERY
SPECIFIC WORD FOR WORD WITH EXACT PARTICULARS you "claim" are
"offensive" and demand to be removed WITH EXACT CAUSE AND SUPPORT
THEREOF and can or can not be submitted to the WEBMASTER ADDRESS by
just yourself or with can be with Assistance of Counsel which
precludes Court Action if ignored. THAT IS THE LAW DUSTIN COOK. I am
not trying to be anything but polite with you. You keep raging and
raging. I don't understand to be quite honest. Like they say in the
circles - "generally just write the webmaster with your objections and
some brief easy reports to support them and the webmaster generally
always complies immediately without legal actions required but
indicated if needed. They will get the message fast if they value
their domain (most all do)". May you please comply. I honestly do not
understand what you are saying as apparently incohesive. I am now - in
these next hours looking at EVERYTHING I posted for what is offensive
and especially under the law as you keep saying. This is on your
behalf Dustin Cook Bughunter - in lieu of common appropriate action by
you. Do you understand so I am not misunderstood Mr. Cook ? You have
made no "formal request for removal" of objectionable material and I
will certainly add in apology if there is due per investigation right
now. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MR.COOK ? I AM GOING TO ACT ON YOUR BEHALF
RIGHT NOW AS ACTING AS IF YOU SENT ME A BILL OF PARTICULARS YOU WISH
REMEDIED IMMEDIATELY OR LEGAL ACTION WILL PURSUE --- SO THAT WITHOUT
SUPPORT OF SAME, LISTED, OR PRESENTED BY YOU PROPERLY PARTICULARLY
LISTING ONE BY ONE BY LAW TO ASK FIRST AND PROSECUTE SECOND (BUT YOU
SIT HERE LYING THAT YOUR ADDRESS IS BLOCKED - YOU HAVE NEVER CONTACTED
THE BLUE COLLAR PC.NET WEBMASTER ADDRESS) --- I WILL ACT AS IF YOU
PROPERLY PRESENTED AND ASSUME BILL OF PARTICULARS ARE - AND LOOK FOR
- ANY POSTINGS OR STATEMENTS THAT DEFAME "DUSTIN COOK BUGHUNTER
bughunter.it-mate.co.uk" MADE BY THE OWNER OF THE BLUE COLLAR PC .NET
DOMAIN BE REMOVED IF AND WHERE POSSIBLE IF THEY EXIST - AND
IMMEDIATELY - AS CEASE AND DESIST OR FACE LEGAL ACTION..... DO YOU
UNDERSTAND MY - I SAID MY - GENOROSITY TO YOU ? ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. THIS
IS NO GAME AS YOU SAID, OR IS IT ??? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ???

IF NONE ARE FOUND YOU WILL LIKELY BE ANSWERING AS WELL TO YOUR
SEMANTICS WITH "Potential Danger". AND I WELL KNOW YOU PERFECTLY
UNDERSTAND THAT.

GOOD BY MR. COOK - I WILL BE IN TOUCH WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THIS POSTING
WITH FULL RESULTS FOR YOU .... SATISFACTORY ? ASK YOUR LAWYER -
HONESTLY I DOUBT HE WOULD SAY DIFFERENT - VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY
MR.COOK.

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