Does this sound like spyware?

[Gerald309]

On May 21, 9:39 am, "Peter van der Goes" <p_vanderg...@toadstool.u>
wrote:
> "Mike S." <littleboybl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179727948.471935.270060@z24g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> >A few weeks ago a relative was having a problem with their computer -
> > it was extremely slow. I ran several different spyware, rootkit and
> > virus scans using different programs. I ran them in normal and safe
> > mode and all results showed that the computer was clean. HijackThis
> > showed that a file that was a trojan, so I removed it. I also removed
> > all programs that were associated with spyware.
>
> > The slowness problem still persisted so I thought maybe it wasn't a
> > spyware problem. The CPU usage was at 4% and System Idle Process was
> > at 99. Everything looked normal, there were no odd processes running,
> > the hard disk and memory tested ok.
>
> > The relative took the computer in to be repaired and the tech said it
> > was full of spyware and viruses and reformatted it.
>
> > How is it possible that I ran several different spyware and virus
> > scans (using reputable programs) and nothing showed up? And the tech
> > claims he found spyware? Does it sound like he was lying?
>
> > If he was lying then I'd like to find out. I'd hate for my relatives
> > to take their computer someplace where the employees are dishonest. It
> > looks like the computer was reformatted but I'm thinking that maybe he
> > couldn't figure out the problem and decided to just reformat it and
> > then blame spyware.
>
> > I'd really like to hear opinions on this matter.
>
> It's a matter of simple economics.
> When you worked on the computer, how many hours did you spend diagnosing,
> testing, etc.?
> For a business, it's not feasible to spend that kind of time on a problem,
> then attempt to charge the customer for the time spent.
> If a business did that ("We diagnosed the problem and repaired it. That will
> be $400 for 10 hours labor."), the typical customer would be outraged and
> tell everybody who would listen what a rip-off the XYZ Computer Repair is.
> If XYZ gave the customer an up front estimate of $400, how many computers
> would be left for repair? Alternatively, formatting the hard drive, then
> reinstalling the OS takes an hour? "Your computer is infested with malware.
> It will cost you $75 to have your drive cleaned and your OS reinstalled."
> It's not that he couldn't figure it out, it's that it's not economically
> feasible for the shop to spend the time. The reformat approach also
> minimizes the probability that something gets left unfixed, causing the
> unhappy customer to reappear demanding the job be redone gratis.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And now you ---- this was my real reply to your response to the
bgentlemen asking for direct technical answers not the b*llsh*t you
posted ---- HE IS ASKING IF HE WAS RIPPED OFF

so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 21, 3:49 pm, "Lil' Abner" <blv...@dogpatch.com> wrote:
> "Mike S." <littleboybl...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1179727948.471935.270060@z24g2000prd.google groups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > A few weeks ago a relative was having a problem with their computer -
> > it was extremely slow. I ran several different spyware, rootkit and
> > virus scans using different programs. I ran them in normal and safe
> > mode and all results showed that the computer was clean. HijackThis
> > showed that a file that was a trojan, so I removed it. I also removed
> > all programs that were associated with spyware.
>
> > The slowness problem still persisted so I thought maybe it wasn't a
> > spyware problem. The CPU usage was at 4% and System Idle Process was
> > at 99. Everything looked normal, there were no odd processes running,
> > the hard disk and memory tested ok.
>
> > The relative took the computer in to be repaired and the tech said it
> > was full of spyware and viruses and reformatted it.
>
> > How is it possible that I ran several different spyware and virus
> > scans (using reputable programs) and nothing showed up? And the tech
> > claims he found spyware? Does it sound like he was lying?
>
> > If he was lying then I'd like to find out. I'd hate for my relatives
> > to take their computer someplace where the employees are dishonest. It
> > looks like the computer was reformatted but I'm thinking that maybe he
> > couldn't figure out the problem and decided to just reformat it and
> > then blame spyware.
>
> > I'd really like to hear opinions on this matter.
>
> I've had computers come in that are slow as mollasses. Some of them are
> infested with spyware, some are not. The ones that are, I'll attempt to
> clean up. I've found that even after spending hours getting rid of
> everything, the computer still runs slow. So anymore, I'll just call the
> customer, tell them the fastest and surest way to get it back to normal
> is to reformat and reinstall. In such cases, I always clone their hard
> drive, so any data they had is retrievable. Like Peter said, it just
> isn't economical to spend hours trying to clean it up, and then still
> have a half crippled system.
> But unlike the tech you mentioned, I won't tell them it's full of spyware
> if it's not. I just tell them that *something* is crippling it and the
> surest and fastest way to fix it is to wipe it out and start over. Most
> customers go along with it unless they don't have the installation CD or
> there's not a restore partition.
>
> One thing I've had happen three times now is that a customer will bring
> one in that the antivirus subscription has expired on plus it is "slow".
> I've uninstalled the antivirus and it miracuously regained its speed. In
> all three cases there was little or no spyware. And on all three I turned
> around and installed the free edition of Avast. And Avast slowed it down
> very little.
>
> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell where people go and what they
> do on their computer to mess it up. And you have to fortify it
> accordingly. I have one customer that bought a new Dell in 2003 and he
> has brought it back to me three times to wipe out and reinstall. It
> always leaves here with one user and comes back with 5 :-)
>
> --
> --- A dyslexic man walks into a bra ---- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 23, 3:58 pm, "Heather" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> DAMN, GERALD.......you send SIX posts (5 of them not trimmed) to make
> this point?? Fix whatever it is you are using for an ng reader.....
>
> Oh......and I deliberately top-posted because (as Laura would say) I
> CAN.....grin.
>
> Now...back to business.
>
> Heather
>
> "Gerald309" <gerald...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179944606.736116.27430@q69g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > PS ....FINAL REMINDER.... You have got to REALLY trust your Local
> > Repairman if the family members want to keep dropping off the PC in
> > today's world. It is STRONGLY recommended that you get a simple 1 or 2
> > gig USB Memory stick for like 20 or 30 dollars and upload all personal
> > files OFF the computer BEFORE dropping it off to a stranger. Not
> > software programs - but stuff like My Documents photos and personal
> > files and so on. They even come on pendants for the girls and
> > keychains for the guys piunk and blue. WHEN you get the PC back, you
> > just download everything back onto the machine and erase the stick.
> > You NEVER know who is going to start looking at all your bank
> > statements and passwords at any shop aanywhere.... I mean they already
> > ripped you off for a bench charge (like about 75 to a 100 dollars just
> > to plop the pc on their work bench without even touching it yet). Who
> > knows what was next ?
>
> > Think about it !- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 24, 7:37 am, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "Gerald309" <gerald...@gmail.com>
>
> < snip >
>
> | Apparently you are IMPERSONATING official Microsoft Personel
> | PRETENDING to be some Microsoft News Owner. Are you personal friends
> | with Bill Gates you mean ? You see, Microsoft is obviously in legal
> | conjunction with Google Groups or I could not be typing this right now
> | at Google Groups. You might be telling everyone in the Microsoft News
> | Room that you ""and I deliberately top-posted because I
> | CAN.....grin."" to appear as some 'Group Moderator' - which you are
> | not - but you see you are now cross-posting into Google Groups whether
> | you know it or not and over here it is against Terms Of Service to
> | impersonate List Owners, Group Owners, Postmasters and so on - any
> | official communication owner title of which I have a few myself like
> | "Webmaster" and "List Owner" and "Postmaster" and so on, all stemming
> | from original major domo parameters dating back to the inception of
> | Usenet which this group on the Google groups side is identified as.
>
> | My point is that if you had any respect for that, having less respect
> | for me, you would not have FLAMED me. It is written - "When you assume
> | something, you make an ass of u and me (ass u me)"... get it ? I
> | believe you saw an oppurtunity
> | to make a personal attack on me - but we all see that your ruse was
> | flawed, as was Google Groups for the moment that caused this. You to -
> | big mouth.... (because I CAN !!!!)
>
> | me.
>
> Take it easy ! Figgs didn't flame you.
>
> Figgs commented on several non-snipped replies. She is NOT on the MS News Server and she
> impersonanting nobody.
> She was also being sarcastic. Blame Google on the repetative posts and please... lighten
> up.
>
> --
> Davehttp://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.htmlhttp://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 24, 12:24 pm, "Heather" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net> wrote in messagenews:qOe5i.11993$xV.112@trnddc05...
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: "Gerald309" <gerald...@gmail.com>
>
> > < snip >
>
> > | Apparently you are IMPERSONATING official Microsoft Personel
> > | PRETENDING to be some Microsoft News Owner. Are you personal friends
> > with Bill Gates you mean ? Room that you ""and I deliberately
> > top-posted because I CAN.....grin."" <<<<
> > Take it easy ! Figgs didn't flame you.
>
> > Figgs commented on several non-snipped replies. She is NOT on the MS
> > News Server and she impersonanting nobody.
> > She was also being sarcastic. Blame Google on the repetative posts
> > and please... lighten up.
>
> Thanks Dave.....obviously this humour-challenged person doesn't know
> Laura Fredericks and that she often does things and says "because I
> CAN". It was just a joke......one he didn't get. Sigh.....
>
> My sarcasm was not necessarily (or just) directed at the repetition, but
> at the fact he didn't trim 5 of them and one had to wade thru 6 kb of
> nothingness to get to his reply. In this case, top posting would have
> been preferable.
>
> Still giggling over him thinking I was *impersonating Microsoft
> personnel*........poor man doesn't know me well, that is for sure.
>
> Gerald.....I have NO interest in being an MS MVP nor have I ever
> impersonated one. Bill and I get along just fine the way it is. (VBG)
>
> Heather......a free agent.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Dave
> >http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> >http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 25, 1:57 am, "cmsix" <c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Heather" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:f34e70$epd$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
> >news:qOe5i.11993$xV.112@trnddc05...
> >> From: "Gerald309" <gerald...@gmail.com>
>
> >> < snip >
>
> >> | Apparently you are IMPERSONATING official Microsoft Personel
> >> | PRETENDING to be some Microsoft News Owner. Are you personal friends
> >> with Bill Gates you mean ? Room that you ""and I deliberately top-posted
> >> because I CAN.....grin."" <<<<
>
> >> Take it easy ! Figgs didn't flame you.
>
> >> Figgs commented on several non-snipped replies. She is NOT on the MS
> >> News Server and she impersonanting nobody.
> >> She was also being sarcastic. Blame Google on the repetative posts and
> >> please... lighten up.
>
> > Thanks Dave.....obviously this humour-challenged person doesn't know Laura
> > Fredericks and that she often does things and says "because I CAN". It
> > was just a joke......one he didn't get. Sigh.....
>
> > My sarcasm was not necessarily (or just) directed at the repetition, but
> > at the fact he didn't trim 5 of them and one had to wade thru 6 kb of
> > nothingness to get to his reply. In this case, top posting would have
> > been preferable.
>
> > Still giggling over him thinking I was *impersonating Microsoft
> > personnel*........poor man doesn't know me well, that is for sure.
>
> > Gerald.....I have NO interest in being an MS MVP nor have I ever
> > impersonated one. Bill and I get along just fine the way it is. (VBG)
>
> > Heather......a free agent.
>
> Forte?
>
> cmsix
>
>
>
>
>
> >> --
> >> Dave
> >>http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> >>http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 25, 2:13 am, "Heather" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Gerald309" <gerald...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180071204.099663.83410@p77g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > Everyone knows the both of your comments are completely off topic and
> > against any List rules to do such.
>
> > Again - you are both acting like List Moderators in telling me how to
> > conduct my communications and the both of you are admidtedly not,
> > correct. So I guess the proper response is to tell you both to shut
> > the f*ck up ! Ok?
> >I am not going to listen to you telling me what to do because you are
> >not List Owners and above that - you do not practice what you preach.
> >You have three posts here that have nothing to do with this string -
> >and that is called "continual off-topic posting" and that is cause for
> >being banned from any Group or List
>
> First of all, this is NOT a List......it is a news group. There is no
> Moderator or List Owner on news groups. It is obvious you are not
> familiar with them.
>
> For your information, I AM a List Owner, but in a different field. And
> if anyone used the language you just did, I would unsub you
> immediately!!
>
> So I suggest you think about how one should behave on a List or news
> group and act accordingly.
>
> > Now both of you just think before you decide to get drunk here
> > again...
>
> Speaking of ass-u-me-ing......for your information, I don't drink, let
> alone get drunk. And this is the end of our so-called communication.
> Go bug someone else because I am plonking you.
>
> H.

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so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[Gerald309]

On May 25, 7:29 am, Andy Walker <awal...@nspank.invalid> wrote:
> Gerald309 wrote:
> >I guess you are catching on to my whole response to this Gentlemen's
> >string he began for answers.
>
> Yes, the term "nut case" seems to fit nicely.

=======================/
so answer the question.... How does "reformatting a disc" remove
infestation???

you can run your mouth well against an innocent consumer asking for
help pretending to know the answer - well I am calling you out. What
is the answer big mouth ???

Don't sit there calling th kettle black that anyone with an
alterrnative answer is a nut.... you never answered the Gentlemen's
question - Was He ripped off ??? And we want DIRECT technical reproof
answers not b*llsh*t replies.... answer the questions posed
exactly ...

[cbgerry]

On May 21, 2:12 am, "Mike S." <littleboybl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> A few weeks ago a relative was having a problem with their computer -
> it was extremely slow. I ran several different spyware, rootkit and
> virus scans using different programs. I ran them in normal and safe
> mode and all results showed that the computer was clean. HijackThis
> showed that a file that was a trojan, so I removed it. I also removed
> all programs that were associated with spyware.
>
> The slowness problem still persisted so I thought maybe it wasn't a
> spyware problem. The CPU usage was at 4% and System Idle Process was
> at 99. Everything looked normal, there were no odd processes running,
> the hard disk and memory tested ok.
>
> The relative took the computer in to be repaired and the tech said it
> was full of spyware and viruses and reformatted it.
>
> How is it possible that I ran several different spyware and virus
> scans (using reputable programs) and nothing showed up? And the tech
> claims he found spyware? Does it sound like he was lying?
>
> If he was lying then I'd like to find out. I'd hate for my relatives
> to take their computer someplace where the employees are dishonest. It
> looks like the computer was reformatted but I'm thinking that maybe he
> couldn't figure out the problem and decided to just reformat it and
> then blame spyware.
>
> I'd really like to hear opinions on this matter.

===================FOLLOW UP .....

Guy I have heard here nothing by personal attacks and crap about how
the weather is in air conditioned repair shops - and not YET one
credible reply to your questions. I have more or less re-posted your
question in such a way that would be all the average questions
concerning an exact response to direct questions about the procedure
of what you asked.

Again you will notice not one person has answered you with a direct
response yet but have rather called me every name under the sun.

You will re-notice some of the re-phrasing of your question I posted
to everyone here...Briefly:

1) How does reformatting a disc remove infestation
2) Was the infestation claimed on the Windows Files ? Private
shareware software files ? Private Files ? ]
3) If the infected Windows is backed up on a recovery disc at this
point from my machine and is reinstalled - doesn't that just reinstall
the infection ?
4) If some or all of my software and personal files were infected -
and if they were saved to a back up disc at this point (reformating)
and then after reformatting you reinstall them - won't that just
reinfect my computer?


Those are just in the nutshell a few questions you can re-ask
somewhere else since there does not seem to anyone intelligent enough
or honest enough to answer you here yet. My personal opinion as the
webmaster of BlueCollarPC.Net and .Org is that there is no such thing
as reformatting a disc or wiping a disc to remove infestation used as
a practical or viable solution.

There is a mulit-billion dollar industry of security software
available as antivirus and antispyware software programs. However
there is not a multi-billion dollar industry or even a multi million
dollar industry for anything to do with reformatting a disc for
infestation removal.

So you can use a common sense approach to this for an answer. Number
one all the money is on security software as the solution. Number two
the most used solution by consumerism is security software and not
reformatting. Number three, because of those statistics - it stands to
reason if you did not have the worst infection that are rootkits as
presented to you by the Repair Shop - then you were most likely ripped
off, as they took advantage of you not knowing.

Actually wiping the discs and reinstalling an uninfected new licensed
copy of the Windows Operating System is the only solution to these
severe instances of severe rootkits that are able to hide from
security software successfully beyond uninstallation by them. In this
case as Microsoft and Bill Gates tell you - you are screwed. Get a new
Windows OS asnd don't get infected again in the dark side of the
internet. Hard lesson.

I do hope this did answer your question successfully and do please
reply rather than be rude in silence so we know you are still here
reading this. Otherwise this IS MY last reply in this string. I
believe I successfully waded through the saltless crackers for you.
You'Re WelCome.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Gerald309" <gerald309@gmail.com>


< repetitive crap snipped >

Yep... Nut case!

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm