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    Jim Higgins Guest

    Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

    NEW YORK (AP) - Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get
    this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the
    federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over.
    The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate"
    approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other
    challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock
    helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two
    machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

    The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely
    different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University
    professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle
    that it continues to work well today."

    No longer constrained by slow connections and computer processors and high
    costs for storage, researchers say the time has come to rethink the
    Internet's underlying architecture, a move that could mean replacing
    networking equipment and rewriting software on computers to better channel
    future traffic over the existing pipes.

    Even Vinton Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers as co- developer of
    the key communications techniques, said the exercise was "generally healthy"
    because the current technology "does not satisfy all needs."

    One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests
    of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to
    toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this
    time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.

    There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks
    promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said
    Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard
    universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the
    venue."

    The National Science Foundation wants to build an experimental research
    network known as the Global Environment for Network Innovations, or GENI,
    and is funding several projects at universities and elsewhere through Future
    Internet Network Design, or FIND.

    Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts
    Institute of Technology are among the universities pursuing individual
    projects. Other government agencies, including the Defense Department, have
    also been exploring the concept.

    The European Union has also backed research on such initiatives, through a
    program known as Future Internet Research and Experimentation, or FIRE.
    Government officials and researchers met last month in Zurich to discuss
    early findings and goals.

    A new network could run parallel with the current Internet and eventually
    replace it, or perhaps aspects of the research could go into a major
    overhaul of the existing architecture.

    These clean-slate efforts are still in their early stages, though, and
    aren't expected to bear fruit for another 10 or 15 years-assuming Congress
    comes through with funding.

    Guru Parulkar, who will become executive director of Stanford's initiative
    after heading NSF's clean-slate programs, estimated that GENI alone could
    cost $350 million, while government, university and industry spending on the
    individual projects could collectively reach $300 million. Spending so far
    has been in the tens of millions of dollars.

    And it could take billions of dollars to replace all the software and
    hardware deep in the legacy systems.

    Clean-slate advocates say the cozy world of researchers in the 1970s and
    1980s doesn't necessarily mesh with the realities and needs of the
    commercial Internet.

    "The network is now mission critical for too many people, when in the (early
    days) it was just experimental," Zittrain said.

    The Internet's early architects built the system on the principle of trust.
    Researchers largely knew one another, so they kept the shared network open
    and flexible-qualities that proved key to its rapid growth.

    But spammers and hackers arrived as the network expanded and could roam
    freely because the Internet doesn't have built-in mechanisms for knowing
    with certainty who sent what.

    The network's designers also assumed that computers are in fixed locations
    and always connected. That's no longer the case with the proliferation of
    laptops, personal digital assistants and other mobile devices, all hopping
    from one wireless access point to another, losing their signals here and
    there.

    Engineers tacked on improvements to support mobility and improved security,
    but researchers say all that adds complexity, reduces performance and, in
    the case of security, amounts at most to bandages in a high-stakes game of
    cat and mouse.

    Workarounds for mobile devices "can work quite well if a small fraction of
    the traffic is of that type," but could overwhelm computer processors and
    create security holes when 90 percent or more of the traffic is mobile, said
    Nick McKeown, co-director of Stanford's clean- slate program.

    The Internet will continue to face new challenges as applications require
    guaranteed transmissions-not the "best effort" approach that works better
    for e-mail and other tasks with less time sensitivity.

    Think of a doctor using teleconferencing to perform a surgery remotely, or a
    customer of an Internet-based phone service needing to make an emergency
    call. In such cases, even small delays in relaying data can be deadly.

    And one day, sensors of all sorts will likely be Internet capable.

    Rather than create workarounds each time, clean-slate researchers want to
    redesign the system to easily accommodate any future technologies, said
    Larry Peterson, chairman of computer science at Princeton and head of the
    planning group for the NSF's GENI.

    Even if the original designers had the benefit of hindsight, they might not
    have been able to incorporate these features from the get- go. Computers,
    for instance, were much slower then, possibly too weak for the computations
    needed for robust authentication.

    "We made decisions based on a very different technical landscape," said
    Bruce Davie, a fellow with network-equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc., which
    stands to gain from selling new products and incorporating research findings
    into its existing line.

    "Now, we have the ability to do all sorts of things at very high speeds," he
    said. "Why don't we start thinking about how we take advantage of those
    things and not be constrained by the current legacy we have?"

    Of course, a key question is how to make any transition-and researchers are
    largely punting for now.

    "Let's try to define where we think we should end up, what we think the
    Internet should look like in 15 years' time, and only then would we decide
    the path," McKeown said. "We acknowledge it's going to be really hard but I
    think it will be a mistake to be deterred by that."

    Kleinrock, the Internet pioneer at UCLA, questioned the need for a
    transition at all, but said such efforts are useful for their out-of-
    the-box thinking.

    "A thing called GENI will almost surely not become the Internet, but pieces
    of it might fold into the Internet as it advances," he said.

    Think evolution, not revolution.

    Princeton already runs a smaller experimental network called PlanetLab,
    while Carnegie Mellon has a clean-slate project called 100 x 100.

    These days, Carnegie Mellon professor Hui Zhang said he no longer feels like
    "the outcast of the community" as a champion of clean-slate designs.

    Construction on GENI could start by 2010 and take about five years to
    complete. Once operational, it should have a decade-long lifespan.

    FIND, meanwhile, funded about two dozen projects last year and is evaluating
    a second round of grants for research that could ultimately be tested on
    GENI.

    These go beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of
    which focus on next-generation needs for speed.

    Any redesign may incorporate mechanisms, known as virtualization, for
    multiple networks to operate over the same pipes, making further transitions
    much easier. Also possible are new structures for data packets and a
    replacement of Cerf's TCP/IP communications protocols.

    "Almost every assumption going into the current design of the Internet is
    open to reconsideration and challenge," said Parulkar, the NSF official
    heading to Stanford. "Researchers may come up with wild ideas and very
    innovative ideas that may not have a lot to do with the current Internet."



    --
    The brave might not live forever but the timid do not live at all



  2. #2
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    From: "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com>

    | Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    |
    | NEW YORK (AP) - Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get
    | this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the
    | federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over.
    | The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate"
    | approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other
    | challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock
    | helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two
    | machines on Sept. 2, 1969.
    |
    | The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely
    | different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University
    | professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle
    | that it continues to work well today."
    |
    | No longer constrained by slow connections and computer processors and high
    | costs for storage, researchers say the time has come to rethink the
    | Internet's underlying architecture, a move that could mean replacing
    | networking equipment and rewriting software on computers to better channel
    | future traffic over the existing pipes.
    |
    | Even Vinton Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers as co- developer of
    | the key communications techniques, said the exercise was "generally healthy"
    | because the current technology "does not satisfy all needs."
    |
    | One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests
    | of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to
    | toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this
    | time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.
    |
    | There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks
    | promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said
    | Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard
    | universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the
    | venue."
    |
    | The National Science Foundation wants to build an experimental research
    | network known as the Global Environment for Network Innovations, or GENI,
    | and is funding several projects at universities and elsewhere through Future
    | Internet Network Design, or FIND.
    |
    | Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts
    | Institute of Technology are among the universities pursuing individual
    | projects. Other government agencies, including the Defense Department, have
    | also been exploring the concept.
    |
    | The European Union has also backed research on such initiatives, through a
    | program known as Future Internet Research and Experimentation, or FIRE.
    | Government officials and researchers met last month in Zurich to discuss
    | early findings and goals.
    |
    | A new network could run parallel with the current Internet and eventually
    | replace it, or perhaps aspects of the research could go into a major
    | overhaul of the existing architecture.
    |
    | These clean-slate efforts are still in their early stages, though, and
    | aren't expected to bear fruit for another 10 or 15 years-assuming Congress
    | comes through with funding.
    |
    | Guru Parulkar, who will become executive director of Stanford's initiative
    | after heading NSF's clean-slate programs, estimated that GENI alone could
    | cost $350 million, while government, university and industry spending on the
    | individual projects could collectively reach $300 million. Spending so far
    | has been in the tens of millions of dollars.
    |
    | And it could take billions of dollars to replace all the software and
    | hardware deep in the legacy systems.
    |
    | Clean-slate advocates say the cozy world of researchers in the 1970s and
    | 1980s doesn't necessarily mesh with the realities and needs of the
    | commercial Internet.
    |
    | "The network is now mission critical for too many people, when in the (early
    | days) it was just experimental," Zittrain said.
    |
    | The Internet's early architects built the system on the principle of trust.
    | Researchers largely knew one another, so they kept the shared network open
    | and flexible-qualities that proved key to its rapid growth.
    |
    | But spammers and hackers arrived as the network expanded and could roam
    | freely because the Internet doesn't have built-in mechanisms for knowing
    | with certainty who sent what.
    |
    | The network's designers also assumed that computers are in fixed locations
    | and always connected. That's no longer the case with the proliferation of
    | laptops, personal digital assistants and other mobile devices, all hopping
    | from one wireless access point to another, losing their signals here and
    | there.
    |
    | Engineers tacked on improvements to support mobility and improved security,
    | but researchers say all that adds complexity, reduces performance and, in
    | the case of security, amounts at most to bandages in a high-stakes game of
    | cat and mouse.
    |
    | Workarounds for mobile devices "can work quite well if a small fraction of
    | the traffic is of that type," but could overwhelm computer processors and
    | create security holes when 90 percent or more of the traffic is mobile, said
    | Nick McKeown, co-director of Stanford's clean- slate program.
    |
    | The Internet will continue to face new challenges as applications require
    | guaranteed transmissions-not the "best effort" approach that works better
    | for e-mail and other tasks with less time sensitivity.
    |
    | Think of a doctor using teleconferencing to perform a surgery remotely, or a
    | customer of an Internet-based phone service needing to make an emergency
    | call. In such cases, even small delays in relaying data can be deadly.
    |
    | And one day, sensors of all sorts will likely be Internet capable.
    |
    | Rather than create workarounds each time, clean-slate researchers want to
    | redesign the system to easily accommodate any future technologies, said
    | Larry Peterson, chairman of computer science at Princeton and head of the
    | planning group for the NSF's GENI.
    |
    | Even if the original designers had the benefit of hindsight, they might not
    | have been able to incorporate these features from the get- go. Computers,
    | for instance, were much slower then, possibly too weak for the computations
    | needed for robust authentication.
    |
    | "We made decisions based on a very different technical landscape," said
    | Bruce Davie, a fellow with network-equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc., which
    | stands to gain from selling new products and incorporating research findings
    | into its existing line.
    |
    | "Now, we have the ability to do all sorts of things at very high speeds," he
    | said. "Why don't we start thinking about how we take advantage of those
    | things and not be constrained by the current legacy we have?"
    |
    | Of course, a key question is how to make any transition-and researchers are
    | largely punting for now.
    |
    | "Let's try to define where we think we should end up, what we think the
    | Internet should look like in 15 years' time, and only then would we decide
    | the path," McKeown said. "We acknowledge it's going to be really hard but I
    | think it will be a mistake to be deterred by that."
    |
    | Kleinrock, the Internet pioneer at UCLA, questioned the need for a
    | transition at all, but said such efforts are useful for their out-of-
    | the-box thinking.
    |
    | "A thing called GENI will almost surely not become the Internet, but pieces
    | of it might fold into the Internet as it advances," he said.
    |
    | Think evolution, not revolution.
    |
    | Princeton already runs a smaller experimental network called PlanetLab,
    | while Carnegie Mellon has a clean-slate project called 100 x 100.
    |
    | These days, Carnegie Mellon professor Hui Zhang said he no longer feels like
    | "the outcast of the community" as a champion of clean-slate designs.
    |
    | Construction on GENI could start by 2010 and take about five years to
    | complete. Once operational, it should have a decade-long lifespan.
    |
    | FIND, meanwhile, funded about two dozen projects last year and is evaluating
    | a second round of grants for research that could ultimately be tested on
    | GENI.
    |
    | These go beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of
    | which focus on next-generation needs for speed.
    |
    | Any redesign may incorporate mechanisms, known as virtualization, for
    | multiple networks to operate over the same pipes, making further transitions
    | much easier. Also possible are new structures for data packets and a
    | replacement of Cerf's TCP/IP communications protocols.
    |
    | "Almost every assumption going into the current design of the Internet is
    | open to reconsideration and challenge," said Parulkar, the NSF official
    | heading to Stanford. "Researchers may come up with wild ideas and very
    | innovative ideas that may not have a lot to do with the current Internet."
    |

    Yeah, like I can really see going back to the idea of GOSIP ! < LOL >

    --
    Dave
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    http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



  3. #3
    Ron Lopshire Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    David H. Lipman wrote:
    > From: "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com>
    >
    > | Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    > | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    > |
    >
    > Yeah, like I can really see going back to the idea of GOSIP ! < LOL >


    Not to mention the communists in the US university system taking over.

    Ron

  4. #4
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    From: "Ron Lopshire" <notron@ovbl.org>

    | David H. Lipman wrote:
    >> From: "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com>
    >>

    |>> Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    |>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    |>>
    >> Yeah, like I can really see going back to the idea of GOSIP ! < LOL >

    |
    | Not to mention the communists in the US university system taking over.
    |
    | Ron

    Do you remember GOSIP ?

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  5. #5
    Ron Lopshire Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    David H. Lipman wrote:

    > From: "Ron Lopshire" <notron@ovbl.org>
    >
    > | David H. Lipman wrote:
    >
    >>>From: "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com>
    >>>

    > |>> Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    > |>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    > |>>
    >
    >>>Yeah, like I can really see going back to the idea of GOSIP ! < LOL >

    >
    > |
    > | Not to mention the communists in the US university system taking over.
    > |
    > | Ron
    >
    > Do you remember GOSIP ?


    Vaguely. I was in grad school at the time (Analytical Chemistry,
    Michigan State), and one of the sub-groups in my research group was
    devoted to AI, primarily with LISP and C. These kids (I was 40 years old
    at the time) kept up with all that stuff, and bored the rest of us with
    many such issues during many group meetings. LOL.

    Whenever a bunch government-funded researchers get together, it always
    reminds me of the old adage,

    "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."

    Ron

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    Ed Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

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    >| Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    >| http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
    >|


    {snip}

    > Yeah, like I can really see going back to the idea of GOSIP ! < LOL >


    I think it's ridiculous too, but not ridiculous enough to quote 174
    lines of it.

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    pop Guest

    Re: Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet

    Jim Higgins wrote:
    > Researchers Explore Scrapping Internet
    > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

    snip
    Big Business/Government speak for stupid Sheep consumption. Their
    thought not mine.
    Big Business wants to charge more via control and track customers. Big
    Brother wants to streamline tracking of every keystroke ,and e phone,
    conversation and location 24/7. Cameras on phones and computers could
    be on at all times without your knowledge.
    They intend to obtain more of your money and leave less or none of your
    privacy.
    That's not an outrageous assertion or stretch.
    Went into a Mapco operated Station today with eight cameras at the
    checkout and numerous others about. Only a hundred is kept in the tell.
    So a lot of folks wanting to pre pay for fuel waled out of line , after
    20 minutes or so and up the street where there are no cameras, cheaper
    prices, and no attitudes.
    Where can we buy Soilent Green???

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