PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:

> In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
> that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
> infectors found - are eradicated.
>
> As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
> Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
> over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
>
> After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
> mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core on
> her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
>
> I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her working
> with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
> couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
> taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
> made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto a
> new larger harddrive *.
>
> Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage done
> to my neighbors Windows installation.
>
> No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
> This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
> existing installed Antivirus solution.
>
> What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
> surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
> her computer.
>
> The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
> been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
> updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
> one or more of the infectors.

I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.

The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
files.

None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
necessary for proper operation of the OS.

So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
start with.


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[C J.]

Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.

My post was in reply to a comment no.pencil.necks made above about that
particular programs damage potential. And I would agree with you, neither
him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer already
had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1175195225_8573@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
>> In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
>> that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
>> infectors found - are eradicated.
>>
>> As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
>> Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
>> over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
>>
>> After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
>> mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core
>> on
>> her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
>>
>> I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her
>> working
>> with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
>> couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
>> taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
>> made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto
>> a
>> new larger harddrive *.
>>
>> Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage
>> done
>> to my neighbors Windows installation.
>>
>> No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
>> This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
>> existing installed Antivirus solution.
>>
>> What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
>> surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
>> her computer.
>>
>> The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
>> been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
>> updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
>> one or more of the infectors.
>
> I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
> as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.
>
> The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
> be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
> not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
> files.
>
> None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
> infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
> and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
> necessary for proper operation of the OS.
>
> So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
> your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
> start with.
>
>
> --
> Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
> *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
> abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
> website ***
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:30:46 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
> And I would agree with you, neither
> him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer
> already had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into
> a state were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way
> of important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.

The quickest method is to place the severely compromised drive in a
computer that works, boot up (not on the compromised drive) and copy the
data to a backup source.

I guess I didn't understand the point of complaining about cleaning the
machine leaving it messed up, when you already know that it can/will often
do that, and then knowing that you're going to reinstall. A
repair/reinstall is not the same as wipe/install and could leave you with
an infector still on the machine.

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[C J.]

Yeah... the point in doing a repair install (if I could have,) was only to
do recovery operation of data on her PC, because I didn't have any room in
mine in order to slave hers in.

We worked out a plan to use her CD_RW Rom drive to back the stuff up, but
when we uncovered that Windows didn't see the drive anylonger (Thats how
fek'ed up it was.)... we threw in the towel, wiped and started from scratch.


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1175197296_8807@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:30:46 +0000, C J. wrote:
>>
>> And I would agree with you, neither
>> him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer
>> already had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into
>> a state were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the
>> way
>> of important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.
>
> The quickest method is to place the severely compromised drive in a
> computer that works, boot up (not on the compromised drive) and copy the
> data to a backup source.
>
> I guess I didn't understand the point of complaining about cleaning the
> machine leaving it messed up, when you already know that it can/will often
> do that, and then knowing that you're going to reinstall. A
> repair/reinstall is not the same as wipe/install and could leave you with
> an infector still on the machine.
>
> --
> Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
> *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
> abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
> website ***
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:49:28 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
> Yeah... the point in doing a repair install (if I could have,) was only to
> do recovery operation of data on her PC, because I didn't have any room in
> mine in order to slave hers in.
>
> We worked out a plan to use her CD_RW Rom drive to back the stuff up, but
> when we uncovered that Windows didn't see the drive anylonger (Thats how
> fek'ed up it was.)... we threw in the towel, wiped and started from
> scratch.

Been there a few times myself, but I have a couple machines in the lab, in
a secure area, just for that type of work.

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[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, "no.pencil.necks" <no.pencil.ne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
>
> > > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
> > >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
> > >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
> > >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
> > >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.
>
> > > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
> > > releaseBugHunter.
>
> > > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
> > > didn't lie about who I am. heh.
>
> > Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
>
> > When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
>
> > Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
> > address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
> > people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
>
> > What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
>
> > We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
> > but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
>
> > If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
>
> > --
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
> > Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
> > willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
>
> Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
> nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
> seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
> means to attack others)...

If I did mind, by the tone of your post, it wouldn't matter. So why
ask?
I don't personally see a need to be disrespectful, but since your the
one throwing down the gauntlet, excuse me if some of this post is
hostile....

I do not randomly attack persons. You may think what you wish as you
like... The post Rhonda is talking about did come from my network, but
not me. If your unable to comprehend something that simple, your going
to be a waste of time....

> 1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
> you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

You should try to troll harder. I've been honest with everyone
concerning who I am, and what I've done.

> 2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
> hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

http://www.download.com/BugHunter/30...-10644171.html
http://www.download3k.com/Antivirus-...BugHunter.html
http://bughunter.dustin-cook.qarchive.org/
http://www.topdownloads.net/software/view.php?id=102690
http://www.completelyfreesoftware.co...31_BUGHUN.html
http://www.freesharewarecenter.com/BugHunter-60417.html
http://www.softpedia.com/progClean/B...ean-50616.html
http://www.vista-files.org/programs/...bughunter.html

I suppose every site admin and everyone else who's examined the
program are the haples users you speak of?

> 3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone

Ah yes, and dimwits like yourself get sucked into the flaming; as you
have been. Without knowing the facts.

> that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
> [here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
> David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
> probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
> [from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
> otherwise).

The AV companies are posting definitions freely to the public. David's
tool isn't doing anything in a grey area.
It would help you to know what your talking about first.

> 4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
> nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
> he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
> Proper credit, that is.

Have you seen the program? Do you see David claiming authorship of any
of the programs it makes use of?

> 5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
> multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
> part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
> do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
> stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
> HARM from his "wrapper".

multi-av doesn't break anything. If you have infected system files and
they are renamed or removed, the OS may fail. This isn't the scanners
fault. That's how the malware game is. Bad files have to be replaced.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 29, 2:30 pm, "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
> worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
> removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
> out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.

This is where you should have been civil. Now I'm going to flame you a
bit.

You've been working with computers for nearly 2 decades, and yet, 10
files could not be removed from a system you worked with either in
normal and/or safe mode. Did you ever try pendingfiledelete key and/or
a bart pe disc?
You decided to reformat and reload a system which was a software
failure issue, not hardware. That's incompetence where I work.

Now id like to ask in what ways have you worked with computers? It
sounds to me based on your post to leythos, that your an above average
end user, but that's all. Am I wrong?


> had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
> were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
> important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.

Yet you couldn't disable 10 files in safe mode? I wouldn't let you
format a floppy.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 29, 2:49 pm, "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Yeah... the point in doing a repair install (if I could have,) was only to
> do recovery operation of data on her PC, because I didn't have any room in
> mine in order to slave hers in.

Slave hers in? Heh...
Dude, next time you decide to reload clean, don't reformat; it's not
necessary. Boot the machine from a bart disc,
rename the following folders

Documents and Settings to Documents And Settings.old
Program Files to Program Files.old
windows. to windows.old

then reboot the machine from your windows disc, select leave file
system alone no changes and load a virgin copy of windows.

This way, you don't hose the users data... And your not halfassing
it by wanting to slave it to yours. LoL

2 decades you said? LoL.... Do tell.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

> We worked out a plan to use her CD_RW Rom drive to back the stuff up, but
> when we uncovered that Windows didn't see the drive anylonger (Thats how
> fek'ed up it was.)... we threw in the towel, wiped and started from scratch.
>
> "Leythos" <v...@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>
> news:1175197296_8807@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:30:46 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
> >> And I would agree with you, neither
> >> him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer
> >> already had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into
> >> a state were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the
> >> way
> >> of important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.
>
> > The quickest method is to place the severely compromised drive in a
> > computer that works, boot up (not on the compromised drive) and copy the
> > data to a backup source.
>
> > I guess I didn't understand the point of complaining about cleaning the
> > machine leaving it messed up, when you already know that it can/will often
> > do that, and then knowing that you're going to reinstall. A
> > repair/reinstall is not the same as wipe/install and could leave you with
> > an infector still on the machine.
>
> > --
> > Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
> > *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
> > abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
> > website ***
> >http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:08:29 -0700, Dustin Cook wrote:
>
> Dude, next time you decide to reload clean, don't reformat; it's not
> necessary. Boot the machine from a bart disc, rename the following folders

I disagree Dustin - you can only clean a pc of things that you/apps can
find, and you may not be able to find it all, you just never know.

The only 100% certain way to clean a machine is, as I've stated several
times, is to wipe it in a clean environment, reinstall in a clean
environment, with clean media.

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[C J.]

Hmmm... well If your links aren't working ... I think it more than proves
the complaints DIDN'T fail. Sorry, but your posts leave my Bull****
detector going crazy.

"pcbutts1" <pcbutts1@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in message
news:eugspg$r8c$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> You dumb ass I told you last week that I was going to leave that link up
> for 1 week, it's been one week. Complaint failed! Didn't you just say at
> least 4 times that that link was not part of your complaint. You're an
> *******, You're a ****ing troll, You are mad because you can't use that
> link in your sig file anymore.
>
> --
>
> Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
> The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com,
> David H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
> Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell
>
>
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:1175188304_8457@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:15:13 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>>
>>> This link ******* http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/license.htm
>>> remember,
>>> hey dumb **** this link I posted 2 days ago
>>> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/license.htm here it is again
>>> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/license.htm
>>
>> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm 404 - Page not found
>>
>> LOL - complaint worked fine.
>>
>> --
>> Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
>> *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
>> abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
>> website ***
>> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm
>
>