PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

[Dustin Cook]

"C J." <no.reply@example.invalid> wrote in
news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t:

> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.

This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
release BugHunter.

It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I didn't
lie about who I am. heh.


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
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[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

"Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
> "C J." <no.reply@example.invalid> wrote in
> news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t:
>
>> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
>> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
>> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.
>
> This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
> release BugHunter.
>
> It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
> didn't lie about who I am. heh.

Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:

When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.

Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.

What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.

We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.

If you'll do that, you'll do anything.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

[no.pencil.necks]

On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
>
> > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
> >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
> >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
> >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
> >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.
>
> > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
> > release BugHunter.
>
> > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
> > didn't lie about who I am. heh.
>
> Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
>
> When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
>
> Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
> address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
> people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
>
> What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
>
> We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
> but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
>
> If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
>
> --
> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
> Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
> willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
means to attack others)...

1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone
that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
[here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
[from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
otherwise).

4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
Proper credit, that is.

5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
HARM from his "wrapper".


n.p.n

[C J.]

"no.pencil.necks" <no.pencil.necks@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
>
> > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
> >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
> >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
> >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
> >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.
>
> > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
> > release BugHunter.
>
> > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
> > didn't lie about who I am. heh.
>
> Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
>
> When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
>
> Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
> address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
> people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
>
> What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
>
> We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
> but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
>
> If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
>
> --
> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
> Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
> willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
means to attack others)...

1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone
that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
[here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
[from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
otherwise).

4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
Proper credit, that is.

5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
HARM from his "wrapper".


n.p.n

Multi_Av is a useful utility. I've used it on a couple of PCs I've repaired
for others - as well as tested it on my own PC. Its primary purpose - in
use - is to scan for and remove viruses and IMO it does it very well. I
suppose you could say Multi AV becomes a tool of last resort when your own
installed AV and/or Firewall programs have failed, or have been disabled by
malware, or other more serious infectors.

In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the infectors
found - are eradicated.

As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.

After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal mode)
all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core on her pc
was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.

I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her working
with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto a
new larger harddrive *.

Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage done
to my neighbors Windows installation.

No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic. This
tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users existing
installed Antivirus solution.

What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use her
computer.

The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by one
or more of the infectors.

( * It was later determined thru addition testing, that her harddrive had
massive cluster/sector, and service cylinder damage.)

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:

> In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
> that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
> infectors found - are eradicated.
>
> As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
> Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
> over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
>
> After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
> mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core on
> her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
>
> I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her working
> with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
> couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
> taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
> made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto a
> new larger harddrive *.
>
> Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage done
> to my neighbors Windows installation.
>
> No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
> This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
> existing installed Antivirus solution.
>
> What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
> surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
> her computer.
>
> The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
> been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
> updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
> one or more of the infectors.

I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.

The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
files.

None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
necessary for proper operation of the OS.

So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
start with.


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[C J.]

Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.

My post was in reply to a comment no.pencil.necks made above about that
particular programs damage potential. And I would agree with you, neither
him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer already
had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1175195225_8573@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
>> In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
>> that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
>> infectors found - are eradicated.
>>
>> As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
>> Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
>> over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
>>
>> After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
>> mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core
>> on
>> her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
>>
>> I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her
>> working
>> with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
>> couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
>> taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
>> made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto
>> a
>> new larger harddrive *.
>>
>> Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage
>> done
>> to my neighbors Windows installation.
>>
>> No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
>> This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
>> existing installed Antivirus solution.
>>
>> What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
>> surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
>> her computer.
>>
>> The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
>> been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
>> updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
>> one or more of the infectors.
>
> I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
> as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.
>
> The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
> be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
> not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
> files.
>
> None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
> infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
> and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
> necessary for proper operation of the OS.
>
> So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
> your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
> start with.
>
>
> --
> Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
> *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
> abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
> website ***
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

[Leythos]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:30:46 +0000, C J. wrote:
>
> And I would agree with you, neither
> him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer
> already had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into
> a state were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way
> of important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.

The quickest method is to place the severely compromised drive in a
computer that works, boot up (not on the compromised drive) and copy the
data to a backup source.

I guess I didn't understand the point of complaining about cleaning the
machine leaving it messed up, when you already know that it can/will often
do that, and then knowing that you're going to reinstall. A
repair/reinstall is not the same as wipe/install and could leave you with
an infector still on the machine.

--
Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
*** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
website ***
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 29, 2:30 pm, "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
> worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
> removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
> out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.

This is where you should have been civil. Now I'm going to flame you a
bit.

You've been working with computers for nearly 2 decades, and yet, 10
files could not be removed from a system you worked with either in
normal and/or safe mode. Did you ever try pendingfiledelete key and/or
a bart pe disc?
You decided to reformat and reload a system which was a software
failure issue, not hardware. That's incompetence where I work.

Now id like to ask in what ways have you worked with computers? It
sounds to me based on your post to leythos, that your an above average
end user, but that's all. Am I wrong?


> had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
> were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
> important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.

Yet you couldn't disable 10 files in safe mode? I wouldn't let you
format a floppy.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, "no.pencil.necks" <no.pencil.ne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
>
> > > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
> > >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
> > >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
> > >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
> > >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.
>
> > > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
> > > releaseBugHunter.
>
> > > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
> > > didn't lie about who I am. heh.
>
> > Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
>
> > When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
>
> > Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
> > address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
> > people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
>
> > What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
>
> > We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
> > but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
>
> > If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
>
> > --
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk
>
> > Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
> > willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
>
> Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
> nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
> seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
> means to attack others)...

If I did mind, by the tone of your post, it wouldn't matter. So why
ask?
I don't personally see a need to be disrespectful, but since your the
one throwing down the gauntlet, excuse me if some of this post is
hostile....

I do not randomly attack persons. You may think what you wish as you
like... The post Rhonda is talking about did come from my network, but
not me. If your unable to comprehend something that simple, your going
to be a waste of time....

> 1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
> you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

You should try to troll harder. I've been honest with everyone
concerning who I am, and what I've done.

> 2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
> hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

http://www.download.com/BugHunter/30...-10644171.html
http://www.download3k.com/Antivirus-...BugHunter.html
http://bughunter.dustin-cook.qarchive.org/
http://www.topdownloads.net/software/view.php?id=102690
http://www.completelyfreesoftware.co...31_BUGHUN.html
http://www.freesharewarecenter.com/BugHunter-60417.html
http://www.softpedia.com/progClean/B...ean-50616.html
http://www.vista-files.org/programs/...bughunter.html

I suppose every site admin and everyone else who's examined the
program are the haples users you speak of?

> 3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone

Ah yes, and dimwits like yourself get sucked into the flaming; as you
have been. Without knowing the facts.

> that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
> [here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
> David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
> probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
> [from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
> otherwise).

The AV companies are posting definitions freely to the public. David's
tool isn't doing anything in a grey area.
It would help you to know what your talking about first.

> 4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
> nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
> he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
> Proper credit, that is.

Have you seen the program? Do you see David claiming authorship of any
of the programs it makes use of?

> 5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
> multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
> part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
> do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
> stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
> HARM from his "wrapper".

multi-av doesn't break anything. If you have infected system files and
they are renamed or removed, the OS may fail. This isn't the scanners
fault. That's how the malware game is. Bad files have to be replaced.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

"Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175198523.475707.149730@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com

<snip>

> I do not randomly attack persons. You may think what you wish as you
> like... The post Rhonda is talking about did come from my network, but
> not me.

The address that was posted came from you, though.

I didn't give my address to any of your friends. Just you. Even
accepting for the sake of argument that you didn't make the post (which
I do not), you still had control over the information that was posted.

Credit your audience with a little intelligence, Dustin.

> If your unable to comprehend something that simple, your going
> to be a waste of time....

PKB

>> 1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
>> you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.
>
> You should try to troll harder. I've been honest with everyone
> concerning who I am, and what I've done.

You're not honest about that fact that you lack character and that you
will do what you believe to be most beneficial to yourself at all times,
regardless of how your actions impact others.

<snip>

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay