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  1. #1
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    "C J." <no.reply@example.invalid> wrote in
    news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t:

    > This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
    > from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
    > go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.


    This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
    release BugHunter.

    It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I didn't
    lie about who I am. heh.


    --
    Dustin Cook
    Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
    web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
    bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
    Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml


  2. #2
    Rhonda Lea Kirk Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
    > "C J." <no.reply@example.invalid> wrote in
    > news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t:
    >
    >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
    >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
    >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.

    >
    > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
    > release BugHunter.
    >
    > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
    > didn't lie about who I am. heh.


    Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:

    When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.

    Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
    address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
    people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.

    What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.

    We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
    but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.

    If you'll do that, you'll do anything.

    --
    Rhonda Lea Kirk

    Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay



  3. #3
    no.pencil.necks Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
    >
    > > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
    > >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:

    >
    > >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
    > >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
    > >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.

    >
    > > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
    > > release BugHunter.

    >
    > > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
    > > didn't lie about who I am. heh.

    >
    > Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
    >
    > When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
    >
    > Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
    > address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
    > people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
    >
    > What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
    >
    > We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
    > but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
    >
    > If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
    >
    > --
    > Rhonda Lea Kirk
    >
    > Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    > willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay


    Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
    nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
    seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
    means to attack others)...

    1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
    you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

    2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
    hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

    3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone
    that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
    [here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
    David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
    probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
    [from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
    otherwise).

    4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
    nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
    he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
    Proper credit, that is.

    5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
    multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
    part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
    do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
    stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
    HARM from his "wrapper".


    n.p.n


  4. #4
    C J. Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    "no.pencil.necks" <no.pencil.necks@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1175189044.071702.203520@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
    On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121
    >
    > > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
    > >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:

    >
    > >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
    > >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
    > >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.

    >
    > > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
    > > release BugHunter.

    >
    > > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
    > > didn't lie about who I am. heh.

    >
    > Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:
    >
    > When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.
    >
    > Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
    > address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
    > people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.
    >
    > What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.
    >
    > We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
    > but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.
    >
    > If you'll do that, you'll do anything.
    >
    > --
    > Rhonda Lea Kirk
    >
    > Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    > willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay


    Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
    nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
    seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
    means to attack others)...

    1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
    you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

    2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
    hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?

    3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone
    that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
    [here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
    David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
    probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
    [from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
    otherwise).

    4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
    nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
    he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
    Proper credit, that is.

    5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
    multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
    part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
    do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
    stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
    HARM from his "wrapper".


    n.p.n

    Multi_Av is a useful utility. I've used it on a couple of PCs I've repaired
    for others - as well as tested it on my own PC. Its primary purpose - in
    use - is to scan for and remove viruses and IMO it does it very well. I
    suppose you could say Multi AV becomes a tool of last resort when your own
    installed AV and/or Firewall programs have failed, or have been disabled by
    malware, or other more serious infectors.

    In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
    that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the infectors
    found - are eradicated.

    As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
    Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
    over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.

    After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal mode)
    all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core on her pc
    was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.

    I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her working
    with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
    couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
    taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
    made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto a
    new larger harddrive *.

    Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage done
    to my neighbors Windows installation.

    No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic. This
    tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users existing
    installed Antivirus solution.

    What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
    surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use her
    computer.

    The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
    been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
    updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by one
    or more of the infectors.

    ( * It was later determined thru addition testing, that her harddrive had
    massive cluster/sector, and service cylinder damage.)



  5. #5
    Leythos Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:

    > In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
    > that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
    > infectors found - are eradicated.
    >
    > As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
    > Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
    > over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
    >
    > After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
    > mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core on
    > her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
    >
    > I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her working
    > with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
    > couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
    > taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
    > made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto a
    > new larger harddrive *.
    >
    > Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage done
    > to my neighbors Windows installation.
    >
    > No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
    > This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
    > existing installed Antivirus solution.
    >
    > What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
    > surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
    > her computer.
    >
    > The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
    > been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
    > updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
    > one or more of the infectors.


    I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
    as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.

    The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
    be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
    not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
    files.

    None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
    infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
    and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
    necessary for proper operation of the OS.

    So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
    your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
    start with.


    --
    Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
    *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
    abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
    website ***
    http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

  6. #6
    C J. Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
    worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
    removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
    out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.

    My post was in reply to a comment no.pencil.necks made above about that
    particular programs damage potential. And I would agree with you, neither
    him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer already
    had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
    were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
    important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.


    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:1175195225_8573@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:58 +0000, C J. wrote:
    >
    >> In the case of massive infection, its pretty much a given by that point,
    >> that any machines OS will most likey be fried, even after all the
    >> infectors found - are eradicated.
    >>
    >> As an example - I used Daves tool, along with Ewido, Spybot Search and
    >> Destroy, and Adaware SE on a Dell Dimension 4600C that was infected with
    >> over 522 viruses /trojans on a neighbors PC in July 2006.
    >>
    >> After running the 4 utilities twice (once in safe mode, once in normal
    >> mode) all but 10 items had been successfully removed. The Windows Core
    >> on
    >> her pc was severrily crippled - and left in an unusable state.
    >>
    >> I contacted Mikiemoes over at Bleepingcomputer.com and had him/her
    >> working
    >> with me towards final cleanup for a repair install over the course of a
    >> couple of days via posting of Hijackthis logs. After we got nowhere with
    >> taking that approach, and because the core was to far gone - in the end I
    >> made the decision to wipe my neighbors drive and re-install Windows onto
    >> a
    >> new larger harddrive *.
    >>
    >> Do I believe Mr Lipman's Multi_AV tool was responsible for the damage
    >> done
    >> to my neighbors Windows installation.
    >>
    >> No. And to come away with that opinion - would be completely idiotic.
    >> This tool was not designed with the intention of replacing a PC users
    >> existing installed Antivirus solution.
    >>
    >> What I know was responsible for the damage done, was the neighbors own
    >> surfing habits, combined with letting another member of her family use
    >> her computer.
    >>
    >> The machine was just taken out of the box and set up and used. It hadn't
    >> been patched, it wasn't behind a firewall, their virus defs hadn't been
    >> updated in nearly 18 months, and Viral scanning had been turned off by
    >> one or more of the infectors.

    >
    > I'm completely confused as to why you would bring Davids name into this,
    > as he and multi-av have nothing to do with the issues you describe above.
    >
    > The PC was severely compromised, the OS was trashed such that it could not
    > be cleaned without removing the malware, which you found also caused it to
    > not operate properly - that's normal for malware that replaces OS system
    > files.
    >
    > None of the Malware removal tools FIX the OS, they just remove the
    > infectors if they can find them - if an infector replaces a necessary file
    > and you attempt to clean it, well you remove the file which may be
    > necessary for proper operation of the OS.
    >
    > So, it would appear that neither David or Multi-AV had anything to do with
    > your problem, that you didn't know enough to just wipe and reinstall to
    > start with.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
    > *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
    > abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
    > website ***
    > http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm




  7. #7
    Leythos Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:30:46 +0000, C J. wrote:
    >
    > And I would agree with you, neither
    > him or his program had anything to do with the problems the computer
    > already had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into
    > a state were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way
    > of important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.


    The quickest method is to place the severely compromised drive in a
    computer that works, boot up (not on the compromised drive) and copy the
    data to a backup source.

    I guess I didn't understand the point of complaining about cleaning the
    machine leaving it messed up, when you already know that it can/will often
    do that, and then knowing that you're going to reinstall. A
    repair/reinstall is not the same as wipe/install and could leave you with
    an infector still on the machine.

    --
    Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?
    *** WARNING - this links contains foul/pornographic content of an
    abusive nature created by PCBUTTS1 and still hosted on his public
    website ***
    http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm

  8. #8
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    On Mar 29, 2:30 pm, "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote:

    > Thank you for your reply Leythos - I realize all that you pointed out. I've
    > worked with computers for nearly 2 decades, and I more than know malware
    > removal tools do not fix problems with the OS, but its good to point this
    > out for the uninformed who lurk here - LOL.


    This is where you should have been civil. Now I'm going to flame you a
    bit.

    You've been working with computers for nearly 2 decades, and yet, 10
    files could not be removed from a system you worked with either in
    normal and/or safe mode. Did you ever try pendingfiledelete key and/or
    a bart pe disc?
    You decided to reformat and reload a system which was a software
    failure issue, not hardware. That's incompetence where I work.

    Now id like to ask in what ways have you worked with computers? It
    sounds to me based on your post to leythos, that your an above average
    end user, but that's all. Am I wrong?


    > had. My only objective in using these tools were get the PC into a state
    > were I could salvage anything my neighbors PC contained in the way of
    > important data... prior to doing a re-installation of XP.


    Yet you couldn't disable 10 files in safe mode? I wouldn't let you
    format a floppy.

    --
    Dustin Cook
    http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk


  9. #9
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    On Mar 29, 12:24 pm, "no.pencil.necks" <no.pencil.ne...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    > On Mar 29, 12:11 pm, "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhonda...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message

    >
    > >news:Xns99027A1E617FHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121

    >
    > > > "C J." <no.re...@example.invalid> wrote in
    > > >news:YNHOh.3042$YL5.1596@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:

    >
    > > >> This thread is living proof that its always better to tell the truth
    > > >> from the start. One lie leads to 10 more... and as the number of lies
    > > >> go up... your chances of slipping up /getting ow3ned become greater.

    >
    > > > This is why I was upfront and honest about my past when I decided to
    > > > releaseBugHunter.

    >
    > > > It's why 4Q is having such a hard time running me thru the mud. I
    > > > didn't lie about who I am. heh.

    >
    > > Here's what everyone knows about you, Dustin:

    >
    > > When you work yourself into a frenzy, you're capable of anything.

    >
    > > Anyone who reads the posts leading up to your disclosure of my home
    > > address and cell phone number (which you posted to alt.sex, encouraging
    > > people to stop by) can easily see that you have no loyalty and no honor.

    >
    > > What that means is that you cannot be trusted, even now.

    >
    > > We engaged in a correspondence. I never disclosed any of it to anyone,
    > > but you chose to endanger my family because you were losing a flame war.

    >
    > > If you'll do that, you'll do anything.

    >
    > > --
    > > Rhonda Lea Kirk

    >
    > > Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    > > willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay

    >
    > Er, well, Dustbin (I hope you do not mind referring to you with that
    > nick since we have not met nor exchanged any "private" emails which
    > seems a wise choice as you have no compunction to use any and all
    > means to attack others)...


    If I did mind, by the tone of your post, it wouldn't matter. So why
    ask?
    I don't personally see a need to be disrespectful, but since your the
    one throwing down the gauntlet, excuse me if some of this post is
    hostile....

    I do not randomly attack persons. You may think what you wish as you
    like... The post Rhonda is talking about did come from my network, but
    not me. If your unable to comprehend something that simple, your going
    to be a waste of time....

    > 1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
    > you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.


    You should try to troll harder. I've been honest with everyone
    concerning who I am, and what I've done.

    > 2. Do you not mean when you "seeded" the BugPumper program to the
    > hapless users? Staging those folks for an upcoming major "UPDATE"?


    http://www.download.com/BugHunter/30...-10644171.html
    http://www.download3k.com/Antivirus-...BugHunter.html
    http://bughunter.dustin-cook.qarchive.org/
    http://www.topdownloads.net/software/view.php?id=102690
    http://www.completelyfreesoftware.co...31_BUGHUN.html
    http://www.freesharewarecenter.com/BugHunter-60417.html
    http://www.softpedia.com/progClean/B...ean-50616.html
    http://www.vista-files.org/programs/...bughunter.html

    I suppose every site admin and everyone else who's examined the
    program are the haples users you speak of?

    > 3. While you and butts get endlessly flamed, did it occur to anyone


    Ah yes, and dimwits like yourself get sucked into the flaming; as you
    have been. Without knowing the facts.

    > that while the debated origins of WGET tool are not fully resolved
    > [here], that the USE OF WGET BY OUR WINGED SUPERHERO (the esteemed
    > David H. Lipman {I did genuflect when I typed his name by the way}) is
    > probably not proper since the AV companies he gets the definitions
    > [from] are not posting those for his targeted use. (Please prove
    > otherwise).


    The AV companies are posting definitions freely to the public. David's
    tool isn't doing anything in a grey area.
    It would help you to know what your talking about first.

    > 4. Moreover, BatMan gets lots of kudos for his multi-av when it is
    > nothing more than a wrapper around the work of countless others? Yet
    > he is so very important that he seldom if ever mentions this fact?
    > Proper credit, that is.


    Have you seen the program? Do you see David claiming authorship of any
    of the programs it makes use of?

    > 5. Lastly, our hovering superzero denies any responsibility when
    > multi-av breaks something. This is simply a foolish response on his
    > part as we all know very well that the myriad PC configurations that
    > do exist render COMPLETE testing impossible and there will be a
    > stochastic process that involves the occasional PC that WILL SUFFER
    > HARM from his "wrapper".


    multi-av doesn't break anything. If you have infected system files and
    they are renamed or removed, the OS may fail. This isn't the scanners
    fault. That's how the malware game is. Bad files have to be replaced.

    --
    Dustin Cook
    http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk



  10. #10
    Rhonda Lea Kirk Guest

    Re: PcButts caught in another lie on his blog

    "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1175198523.475707.149730@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com

    <snip>

    > I do not randomly attack persons. You may think what you wish as you
    > like... The post Rhonda is talking about did come from my network, but
    > not me.


    The address that was posted came from you, though.

    I didn't give my address to any of your friends. Just you. Even
    accepting for the sake of argument that you didn't make the post (which
    I do not), you still had control over the information that was posted.

    Credit your audience with a little intelligence, Dustin.

    > If your unable to comprehend something that simple, your going
    > to be a waste of time....


    PKB

    >> 1. You should Google for a definition of HONEST and report which one
    >> you have adopted. The audience would be curious, nay, entertained.

    >
    > You should try to troll harder. I've been honest with everyone
    > concerning who I am, and what I've done.


    You're not honest about that fact that you lack character and that you
    will do what you believe to be most beneficial to yourself at all times,
    regardless of how your actions impact others.

    <snip>

    --
    Rhonda Lea Kirk

    Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay



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