Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 25, 10:18 pm, "optikl" <opt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns98FED03AFB062HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
>
> > Devil's advocate huh?
>
> > I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>
> > --
> > Dustin Cook
> > Author ofBugHunter- MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
> > web:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk- email:
> >bughunter.dus...@gmail.com.removethis
> > Pad:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>
> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken advantage
> of might be clueless.

That's understandable, however, I don't take advantage of people these
days man. You should consider re-evaluating what you think of me,
since it's based on ones actions. Yes?

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 25, 11:37 pm, kurt wismer <k...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Leythos wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> > crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> > mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> > people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> > indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> > it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> > is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> well, duh... you don't really think someone who is proud to call
> themselves a troll would really be interested in the truth, do you?

In all fairness to the sorry weasel, He doesn't specialize in outright
lies. He does intentionally mislead persons by quoting things out of
context and obviously showing a sided viewpoint.

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Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 26, 4:19 am, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote:
> > Leythos wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> > > crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> > > mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> > > people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> > > indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> > > it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> > > is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> > well, duh... you don't really think someone who is proud to call
> > themselves a troll
>
> *twat!* I'm an uber troll ;]]
>
> >would really be interested in the truth, >do you?
>
> spreaders with a long history of abuse?

That's the whole point, 4Q. A history of abuse which stopped by all
accounts in 2000. You don't have anything even remotely close to
current to attack me with. You couldn't even locate more recent
interviews. I didn't give many, even then. It never was fame I was
in search of, dimwit. LoL.

Whatever I did 7+ years ago is in the past, I can't take it back. The
only thing I can do is not do it again, and return something to the
community that I interfered with in the first place. What can you
claim to have done in the last 7 years?

This will be my final reply to you for awhile, Your already killfiled
in my newsclient... *shrug*

Have a nice day, 4Q.

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Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 26, 5:43 am, Art <n...@zilch.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:38:04 GMT, Dustin Cook
>
>
>
> <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >Art <n...@zilch.com> wrote in
> >news:ab3d03t1jgpa6fn0p1qgb9rfvl26vit5vf@4ax.com :
>
> >> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <V...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> >>>> Meanwhile you
> >>>> are dodging the real focus of this
> >>>> thread which is to assertain if David
> >>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> >>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> >>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
> >>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
> >>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
> >>>past issues.
>
> >>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
> >>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
> >> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
> >> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
> >> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
>
> >I wasn't aware that I elected you to speak on my behalf...
>
> I wasn't.
>
>
>
> >If I'm not reformed as I claim that I am, why on earth would I spend time
> >developing software designed to help people? It's not like i'm being paid
> >for it. Hey, I tell you what, anytime you think maintaining software
> >designed to hunt for trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc is something to be
> >taken lightly, I encourage you to do it.
>
> >That seems to be something interesting that some of you are overlooking.
> >BugHunteris a useful program, written by a reformed virus writer, who is
> >out to cause no harm to anyone. And what do I get for this? The same
> >sillyness I left quoted above.
>
> >I could have just as easily spent the time working on my electronics
> >hobbies, but instead, I made the decision to help people. My bad.
>
> >> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
> >> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
> >> viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
> >2 years Art, nothing malware related from me... Hmm...
>
> The word "repentent" makes me squirm a bit since it conjurs up
> images of some religious nut screaming "Repent, sinner". I think
> the world has had enough of repented and "saved" sinners.
> Case in point is George W. Bush ... a classic case of a reformed
> "sinner" who has lost the trust of most Americans and the world.
> Another less tragic and disatrous example is that devout Quaker,
> Richard M. Nixon, who authorized a illegal and immoral break-in.

I didn't mean or take repent in the religious aspect, no worries.

> Now, I recall that you felt entirely justified in "screwing over"
> people you considered to be "the pits". Your viruses were
> your weapons aimed at people you hated ... whether such
> people were engaged in illegal activities, porn, or were just
> plain "stupid users" in your eyes. The fact that viruses are
> "shotguns" spraying pellets all over the place didn't concern
> you. In your eyes, a stray pellet hitting a inncocent user
> didn't matter, since "stupid users" who take hits shouldn't
> be on the internet ... or some such argument. Besides,
> your viruses weren't really nasty and they were easy
> to eradicate ... I think you would claim IIRC. So you
> rationalized your virus writing and saw yourself as some
> kind of hero doing good deeds. You believed that some
> illegal or immoral means are justfied in pursuit of your ideals.

Fair enough, I did do those things... And I did have that viewpoint.
It was a childish viewpoint to have tho.

> You claim you've changed in some way, and I'm sincerely
> interested in hearing exactly in what way. I hope you
> haven't "got religion" and repented since I don't trust
> those unprincipled *******s who have as far as I can
> throw them

I simply, grew up. That was all. Writing viruses is known to be a
waste of time and somewhat immature, especially if they are released.
Even with the things you learn while writing them, you can only gain
so much knowledge from actually writing self replicating code. You can
gain even more knowledge reverse engineering such code to write
detection/removal routines. Clearly, time is better spent reverse
engineering the programs than it ever was to write them.

I'm not interested in writing malware programs of any kind Art. I'm
interested in the removal. Spyware is at the point where my time at
work is largely spent removing it. I do not like removing annoying
trojans (which is essentially what they all really are at the basic
level) by hand.

When you learn that your not in good health, you tend to rethink
things and see things a bit differently than you did before. It's not
a religious experience, it's a realization that time is short enough
as it is. Much to do, not enough time to do it all in.

> I think a real change might arise when a person is
> immersed in constructive work, such as your product,
> and finds such work to be far more rewarding than
> past activities. Is that what you've experienced? A
> real change to a dedication to strictly constructive
> work? Can you say with real feeling that you're
> now dedicated to strictly constructive work? If so,
> principles and "repentence" be damned I'd be
> inclined to think you have truly changed.

Art, I do find the work on BugHunter to be a rewarding experience,
even during the fights on usenet. The program is useful, people enjoy
using it, that's a feeling far better than that of a virus infecting
someone. I must admit, I do find the occasional legal letter from a
spyware company to be very amusing; I'm making a dent, they've
threatened me, I'm doing my job!

I'm sure you remember, I was writing freeware applications well before
my vxer days. Despite what 4Q would like for you to believe, I am an
accomplished programmer, and I do have training beyond that of
highschool, lol. An important aspect that 4Q fails to mention
concerning my education, was that I had no actual classes 3 of the 4
years in highschool! I was at a vocational training facility instead,
working on the computers and maintaining the network. I won the BEAM
competition 1st and 2nd place two years in a row respectively, that's
30,000+ some odd students I competed with on computer knowledge. The

The 2nd place award was given to me because I was not present to
attend the entire year that year, I had left school and moved. The
followup student, who happened to be in my class and was trained by
me! (hahaha) was given 1st place, when he originally one 2nd place.
I'm proud of the fact he got in the top 3, since I trained him on what
he didn't already know how to do.

The fact I've been professionally employed working on pcs and
compatables since I was a teenager also doesn't help his crack on my
education, Nothing beats hands on experience.

freeware applications I wrote were small and well written and
consistenly won awards on sites such as cnet.com; back when DOS
software was popular. In fact, some of my old freeware applications
dating to 95 and before are still available via simtel.net.


Despite my past Art, I'm not exactly the evil person I made myself out
to be. Much of my posts under the nick Raid did contain some
misleading information. Intentionally misleading. What I can claim in
my defense of the fact I've changed is BugHunter. An ongoing project
which actually started almost 3 years ago. If your going to judge me,
please do so with my most recent history of code.

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Dustin Cook]

On Mar 26, 7:28 am, "What's in a Name?" <maxwach...@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
> 4Q aka paul_z...@hushmail.com in message
> <1174775198.015247.75...@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om>
> alt.comp.anti-virus on 3/24/2007 at 6:26:38 PM after much thought,came
> up with this jewel:
>
> > investigations into people spreading
> > malware to known malicious malware
> > spreaders *laughably calling themselves
> > "peers"*
>
> I'll play along.....
>
> How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your trying to
> remove?
>
> I have sent live samples to Dustin.
>
> Investigate away!

LoL. Yes, You have saved me time by sending them so I didn't have to
browse with IE in a controlled environment and manually extract them.
(thanks you!)

Also, a big thanks for pointing out what should be obvious...
" How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your
trying to
remove?" - max alt.comp.virus

--
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk

[Leythos]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:32:39 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>
> More BS from the stalker. http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm still down.
> If it is that easy Stalker then why is my site still up. Cheaters and
> thieves never prosper remember that stalker.

Yep, bet it makes you happy to know what you did in a faked complaint has
keep a reputable site down for another day.

It appears, unlike your hosting company, that they yank first and then
wait for a response - and the response was filed today, again, in the
proper format. Aren't you going to look the fool when it comes back
online, same content, same site, same page names.

So, how come your sites are not showing the content again?



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[pcbutts1]

Remember last week , you are good at keeping a history of my posts, It's
still up http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm Didn't you say they
told me to take it down? Oh that's right you wanted everybody to believe
your lies.

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Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell



"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1174957712_4831@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:32:39 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>>
>> More BS from the stalker. http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm still
>> down.
>> If it is that easy Stalker then why is my site still up. Cheaters and
>> thieves never prosper remember that stalker.
>
> Yep, bet it makes you happy to know what you did in a faked complaint has
> keep a reputable site down for another day.
>
> It appears, unlike your hosting company, that they yank first and then
> wait for a response - and the response was filed today, again, in the
> proper format. Aren't you going to look the fool when it comes back
> online, same content, same site, same page names.
>
> So, how come your sites are not showing the content again?
>
>
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[Leythos]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 1846 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>
> Remember last week , you are good at keeping a history of my posts, It's
> still up http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm Didn't you say they
> told me to take it down? Oh that's right you wanted everybody to believe
> your lies.

No, I didn't sya they told you to take it down, your Pornographic sites
were in violation of US Title concerning warnings and minors - the
"leythos.htm" page was not available at that time and was not part of the
complaint.

The ones that can be found in most of my posts to this group for the past
couple months were in violation and were issued in a complaint - that
forced your ISP/Host to have you removed them, about the same time as the
properly authentic DMCA complaint against you for stealing Stuarts code.
Shortly after both events you made up a story about selling a batch file,
removed the content from both of your sites, and changed on of the file
names to make a new page (which was not part of the initial complaint).

You can't spin your way out of this.



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[Leythos]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:54:30 -0500, Leythos wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 1846 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>>
>> Remember last week , you are good at keeping a history of my posts, It's
>> still up http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm Didn't you say they
>> told me to take it down? Oh that's right you wanted everybody to believe
>> your lies.
>
> No, I didn't sya they told you to take it down, your Pornographic sites
> were in violation of US Title concerning warnings and minors - the
> "leythos.htm" page was not available at that time and was not part of the
> complaint.
>
> The ones that can be found in most of my posts to this group for the past
> couple months were in violation and were issued in a complaint - that
> forced your ISP/Host to have you removed them, about the same time as the
> properly authentic DMCA complaint against you for stealing Stuarts code.
> Shortly after both events you made up a story about selling a batch file,
> removed the content from both of your sites, and changed on of the file
> names to make a new page (which was not part of the initial complaint).
>
> You can't spin your way out of this.

http://www.pcbutts1.com/rlk/rlk.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/license.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/max.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/mpv.htm - Page not found 404
http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/wtcpcb.htm - Not listed in complaint
http://www.pcbutts1.com/cracks.htm - Not listed in the complaint
http://www.pcbutts1.com/Louthe*******.htm - Page not found 404

Oh, and people can't download your pirated code anymore, no direct links
availabel.

Care you spin now?



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[pcbutts1]

All those links are still on my site you Crybaby, you just don't know where.
Spyerase is not because I sold it. Remove-it is try to find it. Grow up. You
lose again and start crying like a 2 year old. Sheeeeeesh what a baby you
are. YOUR COMPLAINT FAILED LEYTHOS THE STALKER. do you hear me IT FAILED
Just like all of David's. Grow up.

--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell



"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1174960685_4841@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:54:30 -0500, Leythos wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 1846 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember last week , you are good at keeping a history of my posts, It's
>>> still up http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/leythos.htm Didn't you say
>>> they
>>> told me to take it down? Oh that's right you wanted everybody to believe
>>> your lies.
>>
>> No, I didn't sya they told you to take it down, your Pornographic sites
>> were in violation of US Title concerning warnings and minors - the
>> "leythos.htm" page was not available at that time and was not part of the
>> complaint.
>>
>> The ones that can be found in most of my posts to this group for the past
>> couple months were in violation and were issued in a complaint - that
>> forced your ISP/Host to have you removed them, about the same time as the
>> properly authentic DMCA complaint against you for stealing Stuarts code.
>> Shortly after both events you made up a story about selling a batch file,
>> removed the content from both of your sites, and changed on of the file
>> names to make a new page (which was not part of the initial complaint).
>>
>> You can't spin your way out of this.
>
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/rlk/rlk.htm - Page not found 404
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/license.htm - Page not found 404
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/max.htm - Page not found 404
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/mpv.htm - Page not found 404
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads/wtcpcb.htm - Not listed in complaint
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/cracks.htm - Not listed in the complaint
> http://www.pcbutts1.com/Louthe*******.htm - Page not found 404
>
> Oh, and people can't download your pirated code anymore, no direct links
> availabel.
>
> Care you spin now?
>
>
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)