Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>
> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
>
> --
> Leythos
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That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
troll.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
>> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
>> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>>
>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
>> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
> like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
> starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
> believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
> Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
> suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
> troll.

Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.

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[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
on to guys like RAiD.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0945 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
>> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
>> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
>> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
>> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
>> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
>> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>>
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
> educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
> on to guys like RAiD.

I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything from
you about David, sorry if you took it that way.

I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since the
late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be questioned
by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical and Government
installations. I would say that while I don't know a significant amount
about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the reformed person seems
warrant a second chance.

As a side note, David is also held in higest regard by myself.

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[yar]

4Q 4Q

On 24 Mar 2007 15:26:38 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:

>I asked David Lipman in a round about way
>if he had been providing malware to known
>organized criminals. He avoided giving
>a straight answer to a question I
>possed by asking me to leave him out of
>investigations into people spreading
>malware to known malicious malware
>spreaders *laughably calling themselves
>"peers"*
>
>So if Lipman would like to answer the
>question I put to him in. (URL follows)
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...69da3fcf54749c
>
>with a denial that he hasn't been sending
>malware... Something along the lines of
>"No I haven't..."
>
>Interestingly Lipman's website appears
>to have been taken offline all of a
>sudden! And replaced with
>"Unavailable.html", very strange.
>
>
>4Q
>http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[Art]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
>methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
>anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>
>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
>and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.

I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
viruses. But that remains to be seen.

Art

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:05:54 +0000, Art wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
>>methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
>>anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>>
>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
>>and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
> viruses. But that remains to be seen.

So the question stands, what has he done lately to cause one to believe
he's not on the good side?

Nothing I've seen in the last couple years indicates he's nothing less
than what he claims to be.


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[4Q]

optikl wrote:
> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
> >>
> >> Meanwhile you
> >> are dodging the real focus of this
> >> thread which is to assertain if David
> >> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> >> loon, Dustin Cook.
> >
> > Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
> > methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
> > anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
> >
> > I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
> > and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Leythos
> > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
> like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
> starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
> believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.

Here's an interesting one regarding Irok
virus. Here he describes how he wrote it
because he hates people. (always has,
always will - after all Dustin Cook is
a true sociopath)

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...de21bad4943e85

There is lots of evidence like this of
the real sociopath Dustin Cook (aka Raid)

And let's not forget his maliciousness
towards Rhonda Lea Kirk a few months back
when he printed her name & address into
alt.sex newsgroups and asked perverts to
stalk her in real life. Sociopathic Outer
filth that he is.


> Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
> suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
> troll.

He's always been a deviant and he still
continues to be one. This BugHunter****
bollocks is a front, maybe Leythos and
the other sychophants have forgotten
that Raidy runs a distribution network
( HHI ) for illegal download of films & music, amongst other things.
And it's not
because he is philanthropic, it's a
selfish mechanism used as a form of
currency to buy favour with other
network traders (for whatever their
stolen goods happen to be). Nice criminal
friends you've got there Leythos ;]]

[4Q]

Leythos wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:05:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile you
> >>> are dodging the real focus of this
> >>> thread which is to assertain if David
> >>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> >>> loon, Dustin Cook.
> >>
> >>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
> >>methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
> >>anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
> >>
> >>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
> >>and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
> >
> > I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
> > viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
> > him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
> > But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
> > he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
> > viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
> So the question stands, what has he done lately to cause one to believe
> he's not on the good side?
>
> Nothing I've seen in the last couple years indicates he's nothing less
> than what he claims to be.

See my reply to Optikl regarding recent
activities of Raid[SLAM] (Dustbin Cook)
the sociopathic turd. Btw do you know
there is an illegal distribution of
material circulating the Internet atm
with a dedication to me(4Q) from your
whiter than white hero Dustin Cook?
*choke on that for a while before you
tap out your next reply* Or are certain
criminal acts okay so long as it's one
of your friends?


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:30:21 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> Nice criminal
> friends you've got there Leythos

I think you are clearly off your rocker. While I'm willing to give him a
second chance and see how he does, I could not say that he's a "Friend" in
the sense of a "Friend". Now, don't take that wrong, most people that are
in communications in Usenet are not friends, few become friends, they just
learn about each other enough to trust via electronic means.

So, until you show me that he's created something malicious in the last
couple years, with 100% certain proof that he created it, you would do
better to just keep your mouth quiet - you're only making yourself look
like some radical zealot, childish, and have lost any hope of bringing
people to your point of view.


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