Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[Leythos]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> Meanwhile you
> are dodging the real focus of this
> thread which is to assertain if David
> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> loon, Dustin Cook.

Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.

I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.


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[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>
> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
troll.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
>> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
>> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>>
>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
>> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
> like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
> starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
> believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
> Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
> suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
> troll.

Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.

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Leythos
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[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
on to guys like RAiD.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0945 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
>> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
>> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
>> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
>> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
>> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
>> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>>
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
> educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
> on to guys like RAiD.

I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything from
you about David, sorry if you took it that way.

I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since the
late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be questioned
by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical and Government
installations. I would say that while I don't know a significant amount
about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the reformed person seems
warrant a second chance.

As a side note, David is also held in higest regard by myself.

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Leythos
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[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174833737_2553@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0945 -0500, optikl wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
>>> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
>>> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change
>>> and remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have
>>> not seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q
>>> to bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign
>>> that 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather
>>> than the truth.
>>>
>>
>> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have
>> the highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working
>> relationships or educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two
>> or three that you're not on to guys like RAiD.
>
> I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything
> from you about David, sorry if you took it that way.
>
> I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since
> the late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be
> questioned by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical
> and Government installations. I would say that while I don't know a
> significant amount about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the
> reformed person seems warrant a second chance.

Let's think about this for a moment. My last virus was written 7 years
ago. Then nothing, no code released for years. In 2005, BugHunter was
released to the public. In two years time, nobody has been able to find
anything untoward in the software, despite various rumours to the
contrary.

Some of you just need to grow up, get over the fact you are wrong about
me, and accept the fact you were wrong then, and are wrong now about me.

Either defend your remarks such as sociapath, etc, or just... give it a
rest already.

You cannot logically hold something against me that I did years ago, and
have since stopped doing!


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
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[Dustin Cook]

"optikl" <optikl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:eu60t6$a15$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>
> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
>> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
>> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change
>> and remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have
>> not seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q
>> to bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign
>> that 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather
>> than the truth.
>>
>> --
>> Leythos
>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships
> or educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that
> you're not on to guys like RAiD.
>
>
>


I'd be willing to state a months worth of pay that your definatly
mistaken when it comes to me. While I find your devils advocate comments
towards me somewhat amusing, you don't by any stretch of the imagination
know me. Why even pretend that you do?


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas
>>> or your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for
>>> his past issues.
>>>
>>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>>
>>
>> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
>> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
>> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
>> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
>> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
>> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
>> criticism, not a slag or a troll.
>
> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and
> remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not
> seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to
> bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign that
> 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather than
> the truth.

You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
accounts, nothing more, nothing less. If I had assisted him in his
request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...

You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net:
>
> > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:
> >
> >> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> >>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Meanwhile you
> >>>> are dodging the real focus of this
> >>>> thread which is to assertain if David
> >>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> >>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
> >>>
> >>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas
> >>> or your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
> >>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for
> >>> his past issues.
> >>>
> >>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
> >>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
> >> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
> >> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
> >> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
> >> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
> >> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
> >> criticism, not a slag or a troll.
> >
> > Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
> > related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
> > cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and
> > remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not
> > seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to
> > bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign that
> > 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather than
> > the truth.
>
> You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
> accounts, nothing more, nothing less.

Dustbin
this isn't correct and therefore your
"nothing more, nothing less" statement
makes it look like you've stepped on it
again ;]]

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Co...is_dick_Again/


If I had assisted him in his
> request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
>

Any yet you even acknowledged in a
private email to me that you didn't
mind that I was going to be attacking you
in the very near future.
(September 2006 vintage I believe)
*ya stepped on it again* ;]]


> As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
> satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...
>

Man 'o man I'm not going to tire.


> You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
> and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.
>

The devil's advocate, bows ;]]

I'm more of a DXer than anything else
I love processing information, especially
technical computing matters and hacking
subjects. I'd love to collect more info
related to the "so called" good side of
argument,but alas it is mostly commercial
proprietory and closed source (harder to
aquire information).


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[kurt wismer]

Dustin Cook wrote:
[snip]
> You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
> and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.

not vx? that would be like saying i'm not av... just because someone is
willing to tear his peers a new one doesn't mean he doesn't hold the
same ideals as they do... who is it, after all, that's trying to get the
band back together (in a manner of speaking)?

plus, why would a non-vx'er have been given the rights to boot people
from #virus?

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"