Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[Leythos]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:45:20 -0700, 4Q wrote:

> You must admit it's a sort of funny
> indirect link, btw are you authorised as David's mouthpiece to issue a
> denial that he's been distributing malware to the virus/malware
> spreading criminal
> Dustin Cook?

Are you really a loon?

I'm not speaking for David at all, just telling what I've been made aware
of.

Also, what proof do you have the David has done anything?

Why dont you put your effort on something constructive by going after the
resident software pirate?


--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[4Q]

Leythos wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:45:20 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> > You must admit it's a sort of funny
> > indirect link, btw are you authorised as David's mouthpiece to issue a
> > denial that he's been distributing malware to the virus/malware
> > spreading criminal
> > Dustin Cook?
>
> Are you really a loon?

Leythos, mate you let yourself down
with your scatty logic. Just a few posts
ago you claimed "You are a complete loon"
now you are asking if I am a loon?! Not
even a "complete loon". Meanwhile you
are dodging the real focus of this
thread which is to assertain if David
has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
loon, Dustin Cook.


>
> I'm not speaking for David at all, just telling what I've been made aware
> of.

I see, so you haven't been made 'aware'
of the situation relating to Dustin Cook
braggarting about so called respected
anti-malware spreading malicious code
his way and David Lipman's involvement?
(question mark)

>
> Also, what proof do you have the David has done anything?
>

Mate, wind your neck in for a minute
okay... I'm asking David Lipman if he
has spread malware to dustin Cook, I've
not accussed him. He can simply deny it
if he hasn't. It's the loony Cook that
is running around claiming respected
anti-malware people are slipping him
malicious binaries.


> Why dont you put your effort on something constructive by going after the
> resident software pirate?
>

You are talking about Butts yeah? Well
tell you what, let's see if this
mysterious company he alleges to sold
Spyerase to, materializes. What kind of
'fair' deadline shall we give him?
If the deadline expires and Butts is
still 'hot news' in this group, then we
can start asking difficult questions,
and have some fun at his expense, sound
okay to you?


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[Leythos]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> Meanwhile you
> are dodging the real focus of this
> thread which is to assertain if David
> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> loon, Dustin Cook.

Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.

I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.


--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>
> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
troll.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or your
>> methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person, repented for
>> anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his past issues.
>>
>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow Up,
>> and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in ACV,
> like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001", for
> starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely". Maybe you
> believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like changing clothes.
> Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal and deviant behavior to
> suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive criticism, not a slag or a
> troll.

Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.

--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[optikl]

"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
on to guys like RAiD.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0945 -0500, optikl wrote:

> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
>> crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
>> mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
>> people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
>> indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
>> it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
>> is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>>
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships or
> educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that you're not
> on to guys like RAiD.

I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything from
you about David, sorry if you took it that way.

I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since the
late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be questioned
by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical and Government
installations. I would say that while I don't know a significant amount
about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the reformed person seems
warrant a second chance.

As a side note, David is also held in higest regard by myself.

--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[Dustin Cook]

"optikl" <optikl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:eu60t6$a15$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>
> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
>> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
>> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change
>> and remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have
>> not seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q
>> to bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign
>> that 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather
>> than the truth.
>>
>> --
>> Leythos
>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships
> or educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that
> you're not on to guys like RAiD.
>
>
>


I'd be willing to state a months worth of pay that your definatly
mistaken when it comes to me. While I find your devils advocate comments
towards me somewhat amusing, you don't by any stretch of the imagination
know me. Why even pretend that you do?


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas
>>> or your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for
>>> his past issues.
>>>
>>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>>
>>
>> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
>> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
>> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
>> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
>> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
>> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
>> criticism, not a slag or a troll.
>
> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and
> remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not
> seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to
> bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign that
> 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather than
> the truth.

You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
accounts, nothing more, nothing less. If I had assisted him in his
request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...

You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net:
>
> > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:
> >
> >> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> >>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Meanwhile you
> >>>> are dodging the real focus of this
> >>>> thread which is to assertain if David
> >>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
> >>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
> >>>
> >>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas
> >>> or your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
> >>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for
> >>> his past issues.
> >>>
> >>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
> >>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
> >> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
> >> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
> >> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
> >> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
> >> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
> >> criticism, not a slag or a troll.
> >
> > Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
> > related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
> > cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and
> > remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not
> > seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to
> > bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign that
> > 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather than
> > the truth.
>
> You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
> accounts, nothing more, nothing less.

Dustbin
this isn't correct and therefore your
"nothing more, nothing less" statement
makes it look like you've stepped on it
again ;]]

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Co...is_dick_Again/


If I had assisted him in his
> request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
>

Any yet you even acknowledged in a
private email to me that you didn't
mind that I was going to be attacking you
in the very near future.
(September 2006 vintage I believe)
*ya stepped on it again* ;]]


> As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
> satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...
>

Man 'o man I'm not going to tire.


> You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
> and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.
>

The devil's advocate, bows ;]]

I'm more of a DXer than anything else
I love processing information, especially
technical computing matters and hacking
subjects. I'd love to collect more info
related to the "so called" good side of
argument,but alas it is mostly commercial
proprietory and closed source (harder to
aquire information).


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/