Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[4Q]

kurt wismer wrote:
> Leythos wrote:
> [snip]
> > Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network related
> > crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be cured of their
> > mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and remain good
> > people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not seen anything to
> > indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to bring Davids name into
> > it is completely uncalled for and a sign that 4Q is not being honest and
> > is paraniod or out for blood rather than the truth.
>
> well, duh... you don't really think someone who is proud to call
> themselves a troll

*twat!* I'm an uber troll ;]]

>would really be interested in the truth, >do you?

The truth about Lipman spreading malware
to sociopathic criminal virus/malware
spreaders with a long history of abuse?
Yeah actually I'd be quite interested to
hear Lipman's side of the story, I'm sure
other people that rely on the integrity
of these purported saviours of computer
privacy would be interested too.
Perhaps David could make a guest
appearance and quell the rumors.


4Q (super troll)
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[4Q]

kurt wismer wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> [snip]
> > You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
> > and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.
>
> not vx? that would be like saying i'm not av... just because someone is
> willing to tear his peers a new one doesn't mean he doesn't hold the
> same ideals as they do... who is it, after all, that's trying to get the
> band back together (in a manner of speaking)?

That's as clear as mud... but I'm sure
you can mumble on some more.

>
> plus, why would a non-vx'er have been given the rights to boot people
> from #virus?

Raid has already lost his shirt when he
said I was "non-coder" (then a VX
article with code appeared -- I think
you'll find the AVers called that virus
"Linux.orig" *not my best admitted* but
an example of how Raid is incorrect with
his bull**** once again). And I'm still
waiting for him to comment on the 16bit
DOS ASM code with the CRC checksumming
I posted to 4Q site recently, after he
claimed I didn't know what checksumming
was!

Btw Kurt I assume when you did your
degree in computer science, as when I
did my degree in computer science. One
of the requirements was to write code
(to demonstrate the theory and first
principles of the discipline was understood). Now given Dustin Cook
left
school with no qualifications I'm sure
it's difficult for his limited comprehension
to understand you can't fake doing a 3-4
year course with structured programming
and come out with a B.Sc Honours degree.

Now when we take a look at his code
as Kadaitcha Man did recently, anyone with
an ounce of knowledge in programming
would understand that Dustin Cook hasn't
got a clue about Modular, Structured
or Object Oriented methodologies... his
code is cobbled together hacked ****os
or "a polished turd" as K-Man refered to
it.

And this after he tried to laugh in
KM's face with "I pity the fool who doesn
't
understand code" *gaff* !KM who's been a
computer professional and coder since
the 70's... Anyone reading these threads
can clearly see Dustin Cook has sever
psychological problems dealing with
a challenge to his egomania.He's replaced
his lack of skill in coding with more
than his fair share in maliciousness.

Anyone that values their privacy and
computer security shouldn't trust Dustin
Cook, *he* will **** them over at some
point in the near future!


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/

[Art]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:38:04 GMT, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Art <null@zilch.com> wrote in
>news:ab3d03t1jgpa6fn0p1qgb9rfvl26vit5vf@4ax.com :
>
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>>past issues.
>>>
>>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
>> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
>> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
>
>I wasn't aware that I elected you to speak on my behalf...

I wasn't.

>If I'm not reformed as I claim that I am, why on earth would I spend time
>developing software designed to help people? It's not like i'm being paid
>for it. Hey, I tell you what, anytime you think maintaining software
>designed to hunt for trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc is something to be
>taken lightly, I encourage you to do it.
>
>That seems to be something interesting that some of you are overlooking.
>BugHunter is a useful program, written by a reformed virus writer, who is
>out to cause no harm to anyone. And what do I get for this? The same
>sillyness I left quoted above.
>
>I could have just as easily spent the time working on my electronics
>hobbies, but instead, I made the decision to help people. My bad.
>
>> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
>> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
>> viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
>2 years Art, nothing malware related from me... Hmm...

The word "repentent" makes me squirm a bit since it conjurs up
images of some religious nut screaming "Repent, sinner". I think
the world has had enough of repented and "saved" sinners.
Case in point is George W. Bush ... a classic case of a reformed
"sinner" who has lost the trust of most Americans and the world.
Another less tragic and disatrous example is that devout Quaker,
Richard M. Nixon, who authorized a illegal and immoral break-in.

Those who believe illegal or immoral means are justified for
some ideal end are not to be trusted. Such people are
unprincipled.

Now, I recall that you felt entirely justified in "screwing over"
people you considered to be "the pits". Your viruses were
your weapons aimed at people you hated ... whether such
people were engaged in illegal activities, porn, or were just
plain "stupid users" in your eyes. The fact that viruses are
"shotguns" spraying pellets all over the place didn't concern
you. In your eyes, a stray pellet hitting a inncocent user
didn't matter, since "stupid users" who take hits shouldn't
be on the internet ... or some such argument. Besides,
your viruses weren't really nasty and they were easy
to eradicate ... I think you would claim IIRC. So you
rationalized your virus writing and saw yourself as some
kind of hero doing good deeds. You believed that some
illegal or immoral means are justfied in pursuit of your ideals.

You claim you've changed in some way, and I'm sincerely
interested in hearing exactly in what way. I hope you
haven't "got religion" and repented since I don't trust
those unprincipled *******s who have as far as I can
throw them

I think a real change might arise when a person is
immersed in constructive work, such as your product,
and finds such work to be far more rewarding than
past activities. Is that what you've experienced? A
real change to a dedication to strictly constructive
work? Can you say with real feeling that you're
now dedicated to strictly constructive work? If so,
principles and "repentence" be damned I'd be
inclined to think you have truly changed.

Art

[What's in a Name?]

4Q aka paul_zest@hushmail.com in message
<1174775198.015247.75350@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om>
alt.comp.anti-virus on 3/24/2007 at 6:26:38 PM after much thought,came
up with this jewel:

> investigations into people spreading
> malware to known malicious malware
> spreaders *laughably calling themselves
> "peers"*

I'll play along.....

How can one create a good removal tool without the thing your trying to
remove?

I have sent live samples to Dustin.

Investigate away!

(mind if I lead?)
sung to the tune of "skating away"-jethro tull

max
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[cmsix]

"optikl" <optikl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:eu7e3g$un1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98FED03AFB062HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121.. .
>> Devil's advocate huh?
>>
>> I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dustin Cook
>> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
>> web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
>> bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
>> Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>>
>>
>
> Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
> advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
> advantage of might be clueless.

In other words, you disaprove of 95% of human behavior. From your messages
that seems about right.

cmsix

>
>

[Russg]

I just hope D. Lipman didn't fly too close to the
sun with those plastic wings.

[optikl]

On Mar 26, 8:02 am, "cmsix" <c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "optikl" <opt...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >news:Xns98FED03AFB062HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121. ..
> >> Devil's advocate huh?
>
> >> I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>
> >> --
> >> Dustin Cook
> >> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
> >> web:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk- email:
> >> bughunter.dus...@gmail.com.removethis
> >> Pad:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>
> > Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or take
> > advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
> > advantage of might be clueless.
>
> In other words, you disaprove of 95% of human behavior. From your messages
> that seems about right.
>
> cmsix
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95% is a ridiculous assertion. Sounds like something pulled from the
dark recess in your backside.

[cmsix]

"optikl" <optikl@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Mar 26, 8:02 am, "cmsix" <c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "optikl" <opt...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> news:eu7e3g$un1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
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>> > "Dustin Cook" <spamfilterineffect.see....@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Xns98FED03AFB062HHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121. ..
>> >> Devil's advocate huh?
>>
>> >> I just don't know what to think of you these days man...
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Dustin Cook
>> >> Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
>> >> web:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk- email:
>> >> bughunter.dus...@gmail.com.removethis
>> >> Pad:http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml
>>
>> > Think of me as someone who has always disliked those who prey on or
>> > take
>> > advantage of others. I don't discriminate just because those taken
>> > advantage of might be clueless.
>>
>> In other words, you disaprove of 95% of human behavior. From your
>> messages
>> that seems about right.
>>
>> cmsix
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> 95% is a ridiculous assertion. Sounds like something pulled from the
> dark recess in your backside.

You should know better than anyone.

cmsix

>

[4Q]

Andy Walker wrote:
> Leythos wrote:
>
> >If I believed in KF you would be the first person I've really considered
> >putting in a KF.
>
> I've had him removed from my view for at least a month

Does the following number ring any bells
Andy? 0789734591


>- there's
> naught worth reading in any of his posts anyway.

*hmmm* Well if the above number is
yours then you have definately stepped
on your dick. I'll explain in my new
webpage section soon.

http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/Scratchpad/


>It's a sickness
> shared by far too many people on Usenet these days, and the best
> treatment is to simply ignore them.

*hmmmm* I hope you don't end up eating
these words if the number provided above
is correct. *wink*


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[pcbutts1]

More BS from the stalker. http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm still down.
If it is that easy Stalker then why is my site still up. Cheaters and
thieves never prosper remember that stalker.

--

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The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz,
Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell



"Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1174781878_2013@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:03:56 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
>> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>>
>> You will be greeted by "unavailable.html"
>> I just wanted to know if the sudden
>> disappearance was related to the question
>> I put to him regarding spreading malware
>> to known malware criminals?
>
> No, it's related to a faked complaint that was filed late on Friday, and
> didn't provide enough time to resolve before the host legal department
> closed until Monday.
>
> Just give it a little time, the same exact site will be back online with
> all the links and information - unlike the PCBUTTS website.
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)