Has David Lipman been providing malware to known malware criminals?

[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in news:1174785268_2133
@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:45:20 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
>> You must admit it's a sort of funny
>> indirect link, btw are you authorised as David's mouthpiece to issue a
>> denial that he's been distributing malware to the virus/malware
>> spreading criminal
>> Dustin Cook?
>
> Are you really a loon?

Who knows...

> Also, what proof do you have the David has done anything?

None that I know of. I'm unsure exactly what he's trying to accuse David of
doing, myself...




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[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>
>> Meanwhile you
>> are dodging the real focus of this
>> thread which is to assertain if David
>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>
> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
> your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
> past issues.

Thanks.

> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.

Indeed, it does.


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[Dustin Cook]

"optikl" <optikl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:eu5t9b$5dm$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>
> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>> your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>> past issues.
>>
>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Leythos
>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
> criticism, not a slag or a troll.

Devil's advocate huh?

I just don't know what to think of you these days man...


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[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:25:57 -0500, optikl wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174825656_2469@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>> Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas
>>> or your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>> repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for
>>> his past issues.
>>>
>>> I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>> Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>>
>>
>> That's funny. I'd suggest you do some googling of long ago posts in
>> ACV, like "RAiD+ I hate people+January 1, 1999 to December 31, 2001",
>> for starters. Also for the same period "Dustin Cook + Graham Cluely".
>> Maybe you believe in sociopaths and liars redeeming themselves, like
>> changing clothes. Evidence abounds from numerous studies on criminal
>> and deviant behavior to suggest otherwise. Take this as constructive
>> criticism, not a slag or a troll.
>
> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change and
> remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have not
> seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q to
> bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign that
> 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather than
> the truth.

You hit the nail on the head, leythos. 4Q is pissed off about some shell
accounts, nothing more, nothing less. If I had assisted him in his
request, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

As I wasn't interested in helping him, I've been the target of his
satire; well until he grows tired of me and finds another one...

You have to understand something rather important about 4Q, He's not av
and he's not VX. He's a somewhat neutral annoyance to both sides.


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[Dustin Cook]

"optikl" <optikl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:eu60t6$a15$1@registered.motzarella.org:

>
> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
>> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
>> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change
>> and remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have
>> not seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q
>> to bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign
>> that 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather
>> than the truth.
>>
>> --
>> Leythos
>> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
>
> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have the
> highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working relationships
> or educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two or three that
> you're not on to guys like RAiD.
>
>
>


I'd be willing to state a months worth of pay that your definatly
mistaken when it comes to me. While I find your devils advocate comments
towards me somewhat amusing, you don't by any stretch of the imagination
know me. Why even pretend that you do?


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[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174833737_2553@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0945 -0500, optikl wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174829942_2503@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> Having worked with LE for years, many, concerning internet/network
>>> related crimes, I'm very aware of the types of people that can't be
>>> cured of their mind-set, but, I've also seen many "hackers" change
>>> and remain good people. I'm fully aware of Dustin's past, but I have
>>> not seen anything to indicate that he's currently a problem. For 4Q
>>> to bring Davids name into it is completely uncalled for and a sign
>>> that 4Q is not being honest and is paraniod or out for blood rather
>>> than the truth.
>>>
>>
>> Clearly, my comments had nothing to do with David, for whom I have
>> the highest regard. Without disclosing my personal working
>> relationships or educational background, I'd stake a paycheck or two
>> or three that you're not on to guys like RAiD.
>
> I think you misunderstand my statements - I never suggested anything
> from you about David, sorry if you took it that way.
>
> I've been working in the computer design and programming fields since
> the late 70's, written more than my share of things that might be
> questioned by some. Most of my work is in network security for Medical
> and Government installations. I would say that while I don't know a
> significant amount about RAID's actuall actions, what I've seen of the
> reformed person seems warrant a second chance.

Let's think about this for a moment. My last virus was written 7 years
ago. Then nothing, no code released for years. In 2005, BugHunter was
released to the public. In two years time, nobody has been able to find
anything untoward in the software, despite various rumours to the
contrary.

Some of you just need to grow up, get over the fact you are wrong about
me, and accept the fact you were wrong then, and are wrong now about me.

Either defend your remarks such as sociapath, etc, or just... give it a
rest already.

You cannot logically hold something against me that I did years ago, and
have since stopped doing!


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[Dustin Cook]

Art <null@zilch.com> wrote in
news:ab3d03t1jgpa6fn0p1qgb9rfvl26vit5vf@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>
>>> Meanwhile you
>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>
>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>past issues.
>>
>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>
> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.

I wasn't aware that I elected you to speak on my behalf...

If I'm not reformed as I claim that I am, why on earth would I spend time
developing software designed to help people? It's not like i'm being paid
for it. Hey, I tell you what, anytime you think maintaining software
designed to hunt for trojans, spyware, keyloggers, etc is something to be
taken lightly, I encourage you to do it.

That seems to be something interesting that some of you are overlooking.
BugHunter is a useful program, written by a reformed virus writer, who is
out to cause no harm to anyone. And what do I get for this? The same
sillyness I left quoted above.

I could have just as easily spent the time working on my electronics
hobbies, but instead, I made the decision to help people. My bad.

> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
> viruses. But that remains to be seen.

2 years Art, nothing malware related from me... Hmm...


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[Dustin Cook]

Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:1174835602_2577@sp6iad.superfeed.net:

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:05:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 0736 -0500, Leythos <Void@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:54:01 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile you
>>>> are dodging the real focus of this
>>>> thread which is to assertain if David
>>>> has spread malware to a R-E-A-L irresponsible
>>>> loon, Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>>Until you show me that Dustin is a crook I can't accept your ideas or
>>>your methods. As best I can tell, Dustin is a stand-up person,
>>>repented for anything he may have done, and has been absolved for his
>>>past issues.
>>>
>>>I think you need to learn that people can change, read that as Grow
>>>Up, and become responsible adults, it happens all the time.
>>
>> I don't think Dustin has repented at all. He doesn't see any harm in
>> viruses. He just hates spyware and Trojans I do tend to believe
>> him when he says he has outgrown his interest in writing viruses.
>> But that's quite a different thing from repenting. Apparently, then,
>> he has no interest now in writing any kind of malware, including
>> viruses. But that remains to be seen.
>
> So the question stands, what has he done lately to cause one to
> believe he's not on the good side?

Spent 2 years developing a malware removal tool. My bad...

> Nothing I've seen in the last couple years indicates he's nothing less
> than what he claims to be.

Some people will no doubt continue to have there old and outdated
opinions about me, and obviously will continue to hold my past actions
against me. To those persons I only ask, are you an angel?

I could have easily released BugHunter under another name entirely, I
didn't have to come clean about being Raid at any point. I chose to be
honest with everyone. and for this honesty on my part, I get the
sillyness which comprised these threads.

At the end of the day, those who want to use the program will, and those
who don't, won't. I will not be able to please everyone, no matter what I
do.


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[4Q]

Leythos wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:30:21 -0700, 4Q wrote:
> >
> > Nice criminal
> > friends you've got there Leythos

<snip>

> So, until you show me that he's created something malicious in the last
> couple years, with 100% certain proof that he created it, you would do
> better to just keep your mouth quiet -

You are as thick as two short planks of
wood! *I told you to choke a while before
tapping one out*

Okay here is something malicious he
created 10th March 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...88cc9630235881

I'll post a few of the malicious threats
he makes on a regular basis (recent)
if you need a bit more rope to hang
yourself with, ok. As I keep telling you
(allowances given for your denseness)
Dustin Cook continues to be an abuser,
he can't help himself, his personality
disorders without threatment mean he's
doomed to repeat his long history of malice.
;]]


>you're only making yourself look
> like some radical zealot, childish, and have lost any hope of bringing
> people to your point of view.

You are doing an excellent job putting
holes in your own boat and sinking. I've
followed a few of your posts over the
past few months and noticed what you have
accussed me of fits you to a tee.
Ey, Leythos the stalker, how did you
manage to get a domain name in your
honor without being a "radical zealot",
"childish" and "lost any hope of bringing
people to your point of view".

Btw stupid, when is David coming along
to deny he's been distributing malware
to the known sociopath Dustin Cook.


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/

p.s. take a look at the section on abuse
& threats.

[Leythos]

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:43:57 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>
> Ey, Leythos the stalker, how did you
> manage to get a domain name in your
> honor without being a "radical zealot",
> "childish" and "lost any hope of bringing
> people to your point of view".

LOL - I see that you fit with the company of Pirates.

> Btw stupid, when is David coming along
> to deny he's been distributing malware
> to the known sociopath Dustin Cook.

If I was David I would never answer it, as you're not worth the time to
reply to such BS.

If I believed in KF you would be the first person I've really considered
putting in a KF.

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