Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

[Leythos]

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:18:14 -0700, pcbutts1 wrote:
>
> Rumor has it in the antimalware community that your site
> has been taken down for DMCA violations and clicking on your signature I
> would say that's true. What did you steal David?

LOL - iPowerweb.com provided the email and complaint you filed butts, and
as soon as their legal department opens on Monday the site will be back
online (nice work doing it on a Friday like that).

I've also contacted the real authors of the software you claimed ownership
of (WGET) and they are in the process of backing David up and disproving
your faked claim. Oh, and don't forget, filing a false claim is against
the law, you're just driving nails in your of coffin.


--
Leythos
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

[badgolferman]

George Orwell, 3/18/2007,11:20:05 PM, wrote:

> and suggested a way of dealing with the
> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
> ----------
> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.

No doubt. What has the UN been able to accomplish without corruption
or the help of the US so far?

[Ant]

"Aunti Virus" wrote:

> "David H. Lipman" wrote:
>> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
>
> Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?

If you follow research done by the security community and others
you will find plenty of evidence of the criminality behind malware.

Here's a good example:
http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/gozi/

[badgolferman]

Aunti Virus, 3/22/2007,2:40:06 AM, wrote:

> Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise
> prices. There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil.

Learn a little bit about economics before making up stories like this.

> There is enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western
> hemisphere for 10,000,000 years.

Is that the same Alaska that environmentalists are preventing us from
drilling for oil that would make us less dependent on the Middle
Eastern tyrants who continue to fund terrorists? Place the blame where
it belongs, not with corporations who are selling you a product you
want.

--
“Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.” ~
Frank Dane

[Ron Lopshire]

David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com>
>
> It isn't hard to ascertain a perpetrator of malware on a web site registered in Brighton
> Beach, Brooklyn, NY, with the registered name being Russian.
>
> Or why the vast majority of the sites distributing ZLob Trojan and DNSChanger Trojan
> installers are by registered ESTDomains.

I will leave this cross-posted w/ F/U set.

Dave, why is Ian's site down?

Ron

[kurt wismer]

Aunti Virus wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Aunti Virus wrote:
>>> In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
>>> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>>> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>>>> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
>>>> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
>>>> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
>>>> | remove the threat.
>>>> |
>>>> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
>>>> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
>>>> |
>>>>
>>>> If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!
>>> Why is it so hard to believe?
>> it presupposes that they would *need* to do that... that there aren't
>> enough people making malware for their own reasons that the av companies
>> have to get in on it to justify their existence...
>>
>> anyone with half a clue in this field knows that there are in fact many
>> people willing to make malware without any connection to the anti-virus
>> industry whatsoever... there's no shortage of malware writers out there
>> so there's no need for the anti-virus industry to pick up the slack...
>
> I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
> this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.

that *still* presupposes that there aren't enough viruses being produced
by the bad guys... a number of companies have started to complain that
the numbers are outstripping their ability to deal with them... there is
no shortage of malware and no need (even accounting for greed) for them
to make more...

> I'm not saying all of them are doing it, nor is it evil to be in business
> and make a profit. Simply that I believe the largest several are doing a
> microsoft and trying to help themselves grow by creating a need that only
> they can fill

and the consumer would never purchase their product again if that was
discovered (and it *would* get discovered)... unlike the operating
system market there is *lots* of competition in the anti-malware market
and making their own malware would be marketing suicide...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

[Dustin Cook]

"pcbutts1" <pcbutts1@leythosthestalker.com> wrote in
news:eu38eo$1rv$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

> You got a lot of nerve making that statement. I have not said a da*n
> thing to you in over a year yet you constantly file abuse complaints
> on me on every post I make. "Don't bring me into your personnal attack
> againt Dustin" you're a hypocrite. Rumor has it in the antimalware
> community that your site has been taken down for DMCA violations and
> clicking on your signature I would say that's true. What did you steal
> David?
>
>

Most in the anti-malware field have seen your fradulent DMCA takedown
notice, Christopher. I'm sure repercussions will soon follow.

Wget is licensed under the GNU license agreement, The legal team at
ipower has been contacted, and when they open Monday; they'll see that
you tricked them.

You do realize, it's against the law to file fake DMCA noticies right
Christopher?

Btw, We also have copies of the real demise of your spyerase program. You
know, the one you claimed to have sold. A little birdie tells me you were
forced to quit hosting it when the original authors went after your
provider.

--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.2
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
Pad: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk/pad.xml

[Ayatollah Yootweiss Al-Reddi]

>
> I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
> this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.

Online poker's rigged, too.
--
If you don't want the whelks don't muck 'em about
If you don't want them someone else may