Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

[Andreas Krokene]

George Orwell wrote:
> idm.net.au
> http://************/1dcj3
>
> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> be possible.
>
> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
> http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
> onslaught."
>
> Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
> infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
> is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
>
> Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
> claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
> "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
> officer Mikko Hypponen...
>
> Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
> software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
> disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
> ----------
> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
>
And if these virii are email-delivered then
that could be an Internet "Armageddon".

One wonders how the UN could stop this
electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
or graffiti-plastering by our less than
intelligent members of society!

Andreas Krokene
http://mail-my-family.biz/blog

[Phil Weldon]

'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
| And if these virii are email-delivered then
| that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
|
| One wonders how the UN could stop this
| electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
| or graffiti-plastering by our less than
| intelligent members of society!
_____

What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin vir
(man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
biological virus.

What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with the
triumph of the cell phone?

And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might have a
chance, but not the UN.

Phil Weldon

"Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
news:45fe44da$0$17535$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
George Orwell wrote:
> idm.net.au
> http://************/1dcj3
>
> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> be possible.
>
> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
> http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
> onslaught."
>
> Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
> infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
> is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
>
> Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
> claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
> "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
> officer Mikko Hypponen...
>
> Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
> software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
> disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
> ----------
> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
>
| And if these virii are email-delivered then
| that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
|
| One wonders how the UN could stop this
| electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
| or graffiti-plastering by our less than
| intelligent members of society!
|
| Andreas Krokene
| http://mail-my-family.biz/blog

[Andreas Krokene]

Phil Weldon wrote:
> 'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
> | And if these virii are email-delivered then
> | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
> |
> | One wonders how the UN could stop this
> | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> | intelligent members of society!
> _____
>
> What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin vir
> (man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
> biological virus.


Greetings Phil,

I see you are a language expert. I am
severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.
It should be viruses.


> What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with the
> triumph of the cell phone?


We still have some public phones on the
streets in Perth, Western Australia. However
they are disappearing fast. Most public
phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,
but in little egg-like shells in shopping
centres (shopping malls) and in small groups
of local shops (stores).


> And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
> halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might havea
> chance, but not the UN.


The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!

Andreas Krokene.

PS A fine day to you all!


> Phil Weldon
>
> "Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
> news:45fe44da$0$17535$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> George Orwell wrote:
>> idm.net.au
>> http://************/1dcj3
>>
>> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibitionin
>> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
>> be possible.
>>
>> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
>> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
>> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
>> http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
>> onslaught."
>>
>> Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
>> infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
>> is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
>>
>> Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
>> claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
>> "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
>> officer Mikko Hypponen...
>>
>> Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
>> software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
>> disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
>> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
>> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
>> ----------
>> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
>>
> | And if these virii are email-delivered then
> | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
> |
> | One wonders how the UN could stop this
> | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> | intelligent members of society!
> |
> | Andreas Krokene
> | http://mail-my-family.biz/blog
>
>
>

[Phil Weldon]

'Andreas Krokene' wrote, in part:
The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!
_____

According to this Sophos report at
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/ne...ecrep2007.html
two countries account for two thirds of malware. So perhaps bilateral
efforts are more to the point than UN involvement.

Phil Weldon

"Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
news:45ff48d4$0$17580$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
Phil Weldon wrote:
> 'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
> | And if these virii are email-delivered then
> | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
> |
> | One wonders how the UN could stop this
> | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> | intelligent members of society!
> _____
>
> What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin
> vir
> (man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
> biological virus.


Greetings Phil,

I see you are a language expert. I am
severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.
It should be viruses.


> What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with
> the
> triumph of the cell phone?


We still have some public phones on the
streets in Perth, Western Australia. However
they are disappearing fast. Most public
phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,
but in little egg-like shells in shopping
centres (shopping malls) and in small groups
of local shops (stores).


> And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
> halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might have a
> chance, but not the UN.


The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!

Andreas Krokene.

PS A fine day to you all!


> Phil Weldon
>
> "Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
> news:45fe44da$0$17535$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> George Orwell wrote:
>> idm.net.au
>> http://************/1dcj3
>>
>> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
>> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
>> be possible.
>>
>> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
>> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
>> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
>> http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
>> onslaught."
>>
>> Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
>> infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
>> is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
>>
>> Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
>> claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
>> "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
>> officer Mikko Hypponen...
>>
>> Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
>> software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
>> disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
>> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
>> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
>> ----------
>> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
>>
> | And if these virii are email-delivered then
> | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
> |
> | One wonders how the UN could stop this
> | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> | intelligent members of society!
> |
> | Andreas Krokene
> | http://mail-my-family.biz/blog
>
>
>

[4Q]

Andreas Krokene wrote:
> George Orwell wrote:
> > idm.net.au
> > http://************/1dcj3
> >
> > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week's CeBit exhibition in
> > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> > be possible.
> >

True. But that won't stop them from
scaring Joe Public into buying their
addictive product. (see: Vmyths for clue)

> > Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia's
> > Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
> > current pace, makers of anti-virus software
> > http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
> > onslaught."
> >

Not true. The infestations come and go
and as the size of the *problem* vector
increases so will the solution matrix.

No system will maintain dominance forever
It's a constant armsrace... Which happens
to be a good thing for general progress.

> > Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
> > infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
> > is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
> >
> > Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
> > claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
> > "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
> > officer Mikko Hypponen...

Re: Mikko Hypponen - I suggest you get
out of the kitchen if you can't stand the
heat buddy. (Hope we don't have to wait
too long for the dead man shoes ;]])

> >
> > Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
> > software developers as a "spooky arms race" where the attackers are
> > disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
> > problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
> > "a sort of internet Interpol."......
> > ----------

*heh* Control freaks. Always the ****ing
same with these *******s... Hope we never
get to the position of Tsar Kaspersky,
ruler of the cyberspace police state.
(them Russian love controlling things!)


> > A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
> >

It is desperate. But it will never happen


> And if these virii are email-delivered then
> that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
>
> One wonders how the UN could stop this
> electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
> or graffiti-plastering by our less than
> intelligent members of society!
>
> Andreas Krokene
> http://mail-my-family.biz/blog


I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
got to say.


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

[Leythos]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, 4Q wrote:
>> >
>> > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week's CeBit exhibition in
>> > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
>> > be possible.

Actually, it's fairly easy to protect yourself and your customers. Most
quality firewall appliances (and servers) include the ability to remove
attachements and block content from websites, we've been using that method
for many years. What most companies fail to understand is that access to
personal email/web access, at the office, is not needed, and it's against
the best interest of the company - where a LOT of compromise takes place.

Most home users could install a simple filtering NAT device that removes
email attachments and web content and not have to worry about 90% of the
malware out there.

Since AV software is "reactionary" it doesn't do much about the new
malware, but it's very effective at keeping the old at bay.

The only positive protection is blocking of content during internet
sessions and blocking access to media sources that provide external
content (like CD/DVD/USB devices).

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[James Egan]

On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:

>I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
>KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
>got to say.

If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
time, if you're lucky.


Jim.

[kurt wismer]

James Egan wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
>> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
>> got to say.
>
> If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
> time, if you're lucky.

not sure what that's supposed to mean...

at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...-have-we.html),
automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...-numbers.html),
and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a single point
of defense so users should complement their blacklists with whitelists
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...aviour-or.html
and
http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...ar-alarm.html)...

and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once promised
me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about what i'd say
to such things...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

[4Q]

kurt wismer wrote:
> James Egan wrote:
> > On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
> >> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
> >> got to say.
> >
> > If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
> > time, if you're lucky.
>
> not sure what that's supposed to mean...

I think he's trying to be a smartarse )
reference to my timescale, getting around
to dealing with things on my to-do list.
(Don't worry Jimbo, I'll turn you very
slowly on the roasting stick so you
enjoy every last moment)


>
> at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...-have-we.html),

True. It is nonsense but you know in a
world with rulers like Bush/Blair they
like to see the problems as black&white,
good vs evil and the sheeple with follow.


> automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...-numbers.html),

And so will the advances in self-replicating
parasitic entities. And hence negate
these advances. Back to a stalemate.


> and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a single point
> of defense so users should complement their blacklists with whitelists
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...aviour-or.html
> and
> http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...ar-alarm.html)...
>
> and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once promised
> me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about what i'd say
> to such things...
>

*grin* He means me folks! Now c'mon
*******s (Kurt, Jimbo, Dustbin etc)
when I said I will add you into the
4Q site you knew in your hearts of
hearts I meant it... (forget timescales).

Btw I've been having great fun with
ASIC the past couple of weeks... I think
the BugInfo (<-- yes it's morphed) will
be well worth the effort I've invested.
Raidy is a much better subject matter
than the Barlev's and Sooooogie's.

I've even been coding ASIC/16bitASM on
the move with pocketDOS and my PDA, *greatfun* ;]]


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Kurt_Wismer/

[Dustin Cook]

kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:etnmjf$pnv$1@aioe.org:

> James Egan wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
>>> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
>>> got to say.
>>
>> If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
>> time, if you're lucky.
>
> not sure what that's supposed to mean...
>
> at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...ing-or-losing-
> or-have-we.html),
> automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...rwhelming-numb
> ers.html), and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a
> single point of defense so users should complement their blacklists
> with whitelists
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...m-has-found-hi
> s-saviour-or.html and
> http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...s-not-faulty-b
> urglar-alarm.html)...
>
> and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once
> promised me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about
> what i'd say to such things...
>

Hey man! I got a scratchpad! I'm moving up in the world


--
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