Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

[Aunti Virus]

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"Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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>
> "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
> ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote in
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> > In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
> > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
> >> ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> |
> >> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary
> >> | source of viruses. They create them and then release them into the
> >> | wild through a wide variety of means and then charge customers all
> >> | the market will bear to remove the threat.
> >> |
> >> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100%
> >> | free for the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying
> >> | blackmail.
> >> |
> >>
> >> If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!
> >
> > Why is it so hard to believe?
>
> Because you are *dead* wrong??? That word will definitely not help your
> paranoia....
> >
> > Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
> > ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
>
> Every once in a while, some dingbat (or dickhead) comes up with this
> amazing theory about antivirus companies......now go away and put on
> your tinfoil hat. IDIOT!!
>
> hf

Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
true.

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From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


>> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
>>
| Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
|

Are you thick ?

Direct evidence. I have seen/continue to see direct evidence.

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[David H. Lipman]

From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


|
| Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
| true.
|


Yeah and flight 800 was taken down by a missile!

Conspiracy thoeries based on BS.


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[nashraf.nasa@gmail.com]

On Mar 22, 4:14 am, Aunti Virus <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-
rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote:
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> George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
> > idm.net.au
> >http://************/1dcj3
>
> > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week s CeBit exhibition in
> > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
> > be possible.
>
> Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
> of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
> wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
> remove the threat.
>
> The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
> the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
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I dont think arm chair view applies here.

[Dustin Cook]

kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:etnmjf$pnv$1@aioe.org:

> James Egan wrote:
>> On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
>>> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
>>> got to say.
>>
>> If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
>> time, if you're lucky.
>
> not sure what that's supposed to mean...
>
> at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...ing-or-losing-
> or-have-we.html),
> automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...rwhelming-numb
> ers.html), and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a
> single point of defense so users should complement their blacklists
> with whitelists
> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...m-has-found-hi
> s-saviour-or.html and
> http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...s-not-faulty-b
> urglar-alarm.html)...
>
> and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once
> promised me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about
> what i'd say to such things...
>

Hey man! I got a scratchpad! I'm moving up in the world


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[4Q]

David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
>
> >> Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
> >>
> | Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?
> |
>
> Are you thick ?
>
> Direct evidence. I have seen/continue to see direct evidence.

What's that David? You say you have
direct evidence... Would that be *YOU*
providing malware to "organized crime"
aka Dustin Cook (leader of the HHI
criminal gang).

So you are one of the "peers" or
peddlers of malware to a known malware
spreader Raid/[SLAM] the virus spreader?
*Oh dear*


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/

p.s. I hope your "peers" don't find
out about this little secret.

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:etnmjf$pnv$1@aioe.org:
>
> > James Egan wrote:
> >> On 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder what my Anti-Virus friends
> >>> KWismer, DCook, DLipman, AKopp et al have
> >>> got to say.
> >>
> >> If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
> >> time, if you're lucky.
> >
> > not sure what that's supposed to mean...
> >
> > at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
> > (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...ing-or-losing-
> > or-have-we.html),
> > automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
> > (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...rwhelming-numb
> > ers.html), and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a
> > single point of defense so users should complement their blacklists
> > with whitelists
> > (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...m-has-found-hi
> > s-saviour-or.html and
> > http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com...s-not-faulty-b
> > urglar-alarm.html)...
> >
> > and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once
> > promised me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about
> > what i'd say to such things...
> >
>
> Hey man! I got a scratchpad! I'm moving up in the world
>

Dickhead you forgot the link so he can
take a look *sheesh*

Let me help ya.

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/scratchpad/

There fixed! You don't have to thank me )


4Q
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/

[Aunti Virus]

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In article <eu0e4f$n15$3@aioe.org>
kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Aunti Virus wrote:
> > In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
> > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
> >> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
>
> >> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
> >> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
> >> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
> >> | remove the threat.
> >> |
> >> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
> >> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
> >> |
> >>
> >> If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!
> >
> > Why is it so hard to believe?
>
> it presupposes that they would *need* to do that... that there aren't
> enough people making malware for their own reasons that the av companies
> have to get in on it to justify their existence...
>
> anyone with half a clue in this field knows that there are in fact many
> people willing to make malware without any connection to the anti-virus
> industry whatsoever... there's no shortage of malware writers out there
> so there's no need for the anti-virus industry to pick up the slack...

I don't believe it is a matter of the industry needing to do things like
this so much as it is one of them doing it out of greed.

I'm not saying all of them are doing it, nor is it evil to be in business
and make a profit. Simply that I believe the largest several are doing a
microsoft and trying to help themselves grow by creating a need that only
they can fill

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From: "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com>


|
| What's that David? You say you have
| direct evidence... Would that be *YOU*
| providing malware to "organized crime"
| aka Dustin Cook (leader of the HHI
| criminal gang).
|
| So you are one of the "peers" or
| peddlers of malware to a known malware
| spreader Raid/[SLAM] the virus spreader?
| *Oh dear*
|
| 4Q
| http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/
|
| p.s. I hope your "peers" don't find
| out about this little secret.

4Q. Don't bring me into your personnal attack againt Dustin.

It isn't hard to ascertain a perpetrator of malware on a web site registered in Brighton
Beach, Brooklyn, NY, with the registered name being Russian.

Or why the vast majority of the sites distributing ZLob Trojan and DNSChanger Trojan
installers are by registered ESTDomains.


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[pcbutts1]

You got a lot of nerve making that statement. I have not said a da*n thing
to you in over a year yet you constantly file abuse complaints on me on
every post I make. "Don't bring me into your personnal attack againt Dustin"
you're a hypocrite. Rumor has it in the antimalware community that your site
has been taken down for DMCA violations and clicking on your signature I
would say that's true. What did you steal David?


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"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:O49Nh.1793$yo3.1277@trnddc04...
> From: "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com>
>
>
> |
> | What's that David? You say you have
> | direct evidence... Would that be *YOU*
> | providing malware to "organized crime"
> | aka Dustin Cook (leader of the HHI
> | criminal gang).
> |
> | So you are one of the "peers" or
> | peddlers of malware to a known malware
> | spreader Raid/[SLAM] the virus spreader?
> | *Oh dear*
> |
> | 4Q
> | http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/
> |
> | p.s. I hope your "peers" don't find
> | out about this little secret.
>
> 4Q. Don't bring me into your personnal attack againt Dustin.
>
> It isn't hard to ascertain a perpetrator of malware on a web site
> registered in Brighton
> Beach, Brooklyn, NY, with the registered name being Russian.
>
> Or why the vast majority of the sites distributing ZLob Trojan and
> DNSChanger Trojan
> installers are by registered ESTDomains.
>
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>