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  1. #11
    Phil Weldon Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

    'Andreas Krokene' wrote, in part:
    The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
    because it is manned by politicians in a
    different guise. And it will never be any
    different.

    And that ends my off-topic rant!
    _____

    According to this Sophos report at
    http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/ne...ecrep2007.html
    two countries account for two thirds of malware. So perhaps bilateral
    efforts are more to the point than UN involvement.

    Phil Weldon

    "Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
    news:45ff48d4$0$17580$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
    Phil Weldon wrote:
    > 'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
    > | And if these virii are email-delivered then
    > | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
    > |
    > | One wonders how the UN could stop this
    > | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
    > | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
    > | intelligent members of society!
    > _____
    >
    > What is 'virii'? Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin
    > vir
    > (man)? The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
    > biological virus.



    Greetings Phil,

    I see you are a language expert. I am
    severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.
    It should be viruses.


    > What is a 'phone box'? Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with
    > the
    > triumph of the cell phone?



    We still have some public phones on the
    streets in Perth, Western Australia. However
    they are disappearing fast. Most public
    phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,
    but in little egg-like shells in shopping
    centres (shopping malls) and in small groups
    of local shops (stores).


    > And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
    > halting genocide is beyond its present capability? Interpol might have a
    > chance, but not the UN.



    The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
    because it is manned by politicians in a
    different guise. And it will never be any
    different.

    And that ends my off-topic rant!

    Andreas Krokene.

    PS A fine day to you all!


    > Phil Weldon
    >
    > "Andreas Krokene" <fiction-writes-well@i-dont-exist.com> wrote in message
    > news:45fe44da$0$17535$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
    > George Orwell wrote:
    >> idm.net.au
    >> http://************/1dcj3
    >>
    >> March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
    >> Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
    >> be possible.
    >>
    >> Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
    >> Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
    >> current pace, makers of anti-virus software
    >> http://************/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
    >> onslaught."
    >>
    >> Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
    >> infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
    >> is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.
    >>
    >> Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
    >> claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
    >> "How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
    >> officer Mikko Hypponen...
    >>
    >> Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
    >> software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
    >> disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
    >> problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
    >> “a sort of internet Interpol.”......
    >> ----------
    >> A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.
    >>

    > | And if these virii are email-delivered then
    > | that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
    > |
    > | One wonders how the UN could stop this
    > | electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
    > | or graffiti-plastering by our less than
    > | intelligent members of society!
    > |
    > | Andreas Krokene
    > | http://mail-my-family.biz/blog
    >
    >
    >




  2. #12
    Aunti Virus Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

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    George Orwell <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
    >
    > idm.net.au
    > http://************/1dcj3
    >
    > March 19, 2007: According to experts at this weeks CeBit exhibition in
    > Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
    > be possible.


    Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
    of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
    wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
    remove the threat.

    The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
    the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.

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  3. #13
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

    From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


    |
    | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
    | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
    | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
    | remove the threat.
    |
    | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
    | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
    |

    If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



  4. #14
    Aunti Virus Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

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    "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
    >
    > From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
    >
    >
    > |
    > | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
    > | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
    > | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
    > | remove the threat.
    > |
    > | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
    > | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
    > |
    >
    > If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!


    Why is it so hard to believe?

    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.

    ...or write viruses to keep themselves in business

    Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
    There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
    enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
    10,000,000 years.

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  5. #15
    cmsix Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?


    "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
    news:lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06...
    > From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
    > ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
    >
    >
    > |
    > | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary
    > source
    > | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild
    > through a
    > | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear
    > to
    > | remove the threat.
    > |
    > | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free
    > for
    > | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
    > |
    >
    > If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!


    He couldn't have any money to buy a bridge, he's honest and he's doing all
    his work for free. Right on, Comrade.

    Can't you see that he has joined alt.privacy.spyware and is providing plenty
    of outdated rhetoric and fresh bull****, and all for free.

    cmsix

    >
    > --
    > Dave
    > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    > http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
    >
    >




  6. #16
    Bud Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?



    > enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
    > 10,000,000 years.


    Oh, ****! THEN what'll we do?

  7. #17
    Heather Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?


    "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
    ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote in
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    > In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
    > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
    >>
    >> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
    >> ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
    >>
    >>
    >> |
    >> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary
    >> source
    >> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild
    >> through a
    >> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will
    >> bear to
    >> | remove the threat.
    >> |
    >> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100%
    >> free for
    >> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
    >> |
    >>
    >> If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!

    >
    > Why is it so hard to believe?


    Because you are *dead* wrong??? That word will definitely not help your
    paranoia....
    >
    > Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
    > ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business


    Every once in a while, some dingbat (or dickhead) comes up with this
    amazing theory about antivirus companies......now go away and put on
    your tinfoil hat. IDIOT!!

    hf





  8. #18
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

    From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


    |
    | Why is it so hard to believe?
    |
    | Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
    |
    | ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
    |
    | Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
    | There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
    | enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
    | 10,000,000 years.
    |

    Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.


    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



  9. #19
    kurt wismer Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

    Aunti Virus wrote:
    > In article <lshMh.6760$YD.955@trnddc06>
    > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
    >> From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


    >> | Of course it's not possible. Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
    >> | of viruses. They create them and then release them into the wild through a
    >> | wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
    >> | remove the threat.
    >> |
    >> | The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
    >> | the user. If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
    >> |
    >>
    >> If you believe that ****, I have a bridge to sell you!

    >
    > Why is it so hard to believe?


    it presupposes that they would *need* to do that... that there aren't
    enough people making malware for their own reasons that the av companies
    have to get in on it to justify their existence...

    anyone with half a clue in this field knows that there are in fact many
    people willing to make malware without any connection to the anti-virus
    industry whatsoever... there's no shortage of malware writers out there
    so there's no need for the anti-virus industry to pick up the slack...

    --
    "it's not the right time to be sober
    now the idiots have taken over
    spreading like a social cancer,
    is there an answer?"

  10. #20
    Aunti Virus Guest

    Re: Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

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    >
    > From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>
    >
    >
    > |
    > | Why is it so hard to believe?
    > |
    > | Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
    > |
    > | ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
    > |
    > | Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
    > | There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil. There is
    > | enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
    > | 10,000,000 years.
    > |
    >
    > Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.
    >


    Yeah? According to who? The anti virus companies?

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