Re: FBI New Internet Surveillance

[Luke]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:16:54 -0600, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:33:55 +0000, Far Canal wrote:
>>
>> ---Fitz--- wrote
>>
>>> | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
>>> |
>>> If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
>>>
>>
>> They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
>> ordinary people are up to.
>
>The intel reports seem to indicate more than 1 have already been caught
>and additional plots have been disrupted.

Like these?:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/...30-07intro.wmv

;-)

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[Leythos]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:13:34 -0700, Luke wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:16:54 -0600, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:33:55 +0000, Far Canal wrote:
>>>
>>> ---Fitz--- wrote
>>>
>>>> | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
>>>> |
>>>> If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
>>> ordinary people are up to.
>>
>>The intel reports seem to indicate more than 1 have already been caught
>>and additional plots have been disrupted.
>
> Like these?:
> http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/...30-07intro.wmv

Sorry, I don't download wmv files - will have to look for another source.

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[Luke]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0500, "---Fitz---"
<---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:

>"Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:MPG.202aff7b486fd83198a167@news.readfreenews .net...
>| ---Fitz--- wrote
>|
>| > | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
>| > |
>| > If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
>| >
>|
>| They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
>| ordinary people are up to.
>|
>I believe that they have caught criminals and terrorists over the years by
>the use of technology. As an ordinary person, I don't have a problem with
>the 3 letter agencies looking for terrorists by the use of technology. I'm
>not a terrorist and have nothing to hide. The times are changing and we
>must adapt to survive or we'll go the way of other countries that no longer
>exist or exist in anarchy. I know that the saying "Freedom is not free" is
>old but today and for the future, the past is a harbinger of things to come.
>We've defiantly not had the final act of terrorism committed against us. We
>can do all we can now to stop it in the future or we can stick our heads in
>the sand and hope the bad guys will forget about us.

You may find it enlightening to read up on habeas corpus and
Amendment IV of the U.S. Constitution particularly the concept of
probable cause.

Cheers!

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__________________________________________________ ____________________
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it."
-- George W. Bush, July 26, 2001

[optikl]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:1170182716_6453@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:39:38 +0000, Casey wrote:
>
> If you are not doing anything illegal you don't have anything to worry
> about.
>
That's only one side of the argument.

[---Fitz---]

"Luke" <luke@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:c552s29037qe26i9g13oj5ioafds5n1e8m@4ax.com...
| On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0500, "---Fitz---"
| <---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:
|
| >"Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
| >news:MPG.202aff7b486fd83198a167@news.readfreenews .net...
| >| ---Fitz--- wrote
| >|
| >| > | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
| >| > |
| >| > If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
| >| >
| >|
| >| They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
| >| ordinary people are up to.
| >|
| >I believe that they have caught criminals and terrorists over the years
by
| >the use of technology. As an ordinary person, I don't have a problem
with
| >the 3 letter agencies looking for terrorists by the use of technology.
I'm
| >not a terrorist and have nothing to hide. The times are changing and we
| >must adapt to survive or we'll go the way of other countries that no
longer
| >exist or exist in anarchy. I know that the saying "Freedom is not free"
is
| >old but today and for the future, the past is a harbinger of things to
come.
| >We've defiantly not had the final act of terrorism committed against us.
We
| >can do all we can now to stop it in the future or we can stick our heads
in
| >the sand and hope the bad guys will forget about us.
|
| You may find it enlightening to read up on habeas corpus and
| Amendment IV of the U.S. Constitution particularly the concept of
| probable cause.

I'm very familiar with the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. The Constitution
is a living thing that makes provisions for change. The founding fathers
did not frame the Constitution so it could never be changed, hence
Amendments.

[Luke]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:18:53 -0600, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:13:34 -0700, Luke wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:16:54 -0600, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:33:55 +0000, Far Canal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ---Fitz--- wrote
>>>>
>>>>> | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
>>>>> |
>>>>> If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
>>>> ordinary people are up to.
>>>
>>>The intel reports seem to indicate more than 1 have already been caught
>>>and additional plots have been disrupted.
>>
>> Like these?:
>> http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/...30-07intro.wmv
>
>Sorry, I don't download wmv files - will have to look for another source.

Your wish is my command :-). The transcript:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...nt/#more-14014

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[Luke]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:45:36 -0500, "---Fitz---"
<---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:

>
>"Luke" <luke@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>news:c552s29037qe26i9g13oj5ioafds5n1e8m@4ax.com.. .
>| On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0500, "---Fitz---"
>| <---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:
>|
>| >"Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>| >news:MPG.202aff7b486fd83198a167@news.readfreenews .net...
>| >| ---Fitz--- wrote
>| >|
>| >| > | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
>| >| > |
>| >| > If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >| They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of everything
>| >| ordinary people are up to.
>| >|
>| >I believe that they have caught criminals and terrorists over the years
>by
>| >the use of technology. As an ordinary person, I don't have a problem
>with
>| >the 3 letter agencies looking for terrorists by the use of technology.
>I'm
>| >not a terrorist and have nothing to hide. The times are changing and we
>| >must adapt to survive or we'll go the way of other countries that no
>longer
>| >exist or exist in anarchy. I know that the saying "Freedom is not free"
>is
>| >old but today and for the future, the past is a harbinger of things to
>come.
>| >We've defiantly not had the final act of terrorism committed against us.
>We
>| >can do all we can now to stop it in the future or we can stick our heads
>in
>| >the sand and hope the bad guys will forget about us.
>|
>| You may find it enlightening to read up on habeas corpus and
>| Amendment IV of the U.S. Constitution particularly the concept of
>| probable cause.
>
>I'm very familiar with the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. The Constitution
>is a living thing that makes provisions for change. The founding fathers
>did not frame the Constitution so it could never be changed, hence
>Amendments.

You and George are right, a dictatorship _would_ be a lot easier, so
why not burn that dang old antiquated Constitution and get on with the
business of the new unitary executive....

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[---Fitz---]

"Luke" <luke@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:45:36 -0500, "---Fitz---"
| <---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Luke" <luke@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
| >news:c552s29037qe26i9g13oj5ioafds5n1e8m@4ax.com.. .
| >| On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0500, "---Fitz---"
| >| <---Fitz---@INVALID.COM> wrote:
| >|
| >| >"Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
| >| >news:MPG.202aff7b486fd83198a167@news.readfreenews .net...
| >| >| ---Fitz--- wrote
| >| >|
| >| >| > | How many terrorists and criminals have been caught by the FBI?
| >| >| > |
| >| >| > If they caught one or more, that would be a good thing.
| >| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >| They haven't - but it's not stopping them keeping a note of
everything
| >| >| ordinary people are up to.
| >| >|
| >| >I believe that they have caught criminals and terrorists over the
years
| >by
| >| >the use of technology. As an ordinary person, I don't have a problem
| >with
| >| >the 3 letter agencies looking for terrorists by the use of technology.
| >I'm
| >| >not a terrorist and have nothing to hide. The times are changing and
we
| >| >must adapt to survive or we'll go the way of other countries that no
| >longer
| >| >exist or exist in anarchy. I know that the saying "Freedom is not
free"
| >is
| >| >old but today and for the future, the past is a harbinger of things to
| >come.
| >| >We've defiantly not had the final act of terrorism committed against
us.
| >We
| >| >can do all we can now to stop it in the future or we can stick our
heads
| >in
| >| >the sand and hope the bad guys will forget about us.
| >|
| >| You may find it enlightening to read up on habeas corpus and
| >| Amendment IV of the U.S. Constitution particularly the concept of
| >| probable cause.
| >
| >I'm very familiar with the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments. The
Constitution
| >is a living thing that makes provisions for change. The founding fathers
| >did not frame the Constitution so it could never be changed, hence
| >Amendments.
|
| You and George are right, a dictatorship _would_ be a lot easier, so
| why not burn that dang old antiquated Constitution and get on with the
| business of the new unitary executive....
|
| --
| Luke

Never said anything about a dictatorship or burning the Constitution. What
I said was the Constitution is a living document that was crafted by the
founding fathers with the ability to allow change. Things change, progress
is made, and the world turns. History.