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  1. #31
    Vanguard Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:1170380108_9197@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:21:28 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
    >>
    >> You keep trying to spam the product while claiming it is so easy to
    >> install, configure, and use and yet for what it takes I can't see it
    >> is
    >> any harder than the son-in-law making a simple phone call to
    >> father-in-law to guide him through a VNC install, or to enable Remote
    >> Desktop that may already BE there in Windows. While I knock down
    >> your
    >> points, you keep coming back to spam the product. If the OP wants to
    >> go
    >> with GTMP then great for the OP, but it is not the miracle cure you
    >> claim it to be.

    >
    > I don't use GTMP or any other product like it, I use VNC, but, I'm not
    > in
    > a position where my relative is behind a router that I didn't setup
    > and
    > might not know what the interface screens look like, etc....
    >
    > I use VNC all the time, and I ensure that I've got a router with a
    > port
    > forward or a VPN setup to get into the remote locations.
    >
    > You've not provided anything to "Knock down" my points, you just keep
    > suggesting that there might be other issues that only you would care
    > about.
    >
    > 1) GTMPC works and is designed for idiots to install
    > 2) You can get a free trial
    > 3) Only one person has to get the trial to test it
    > 4) Once installed, the OP can easily install VNC and setup a PF
    > 5) You cancel the trial
    >
    > Could be done in about 15 minutes.
    >
    > So, there is nothing you can "Knock Down", but you can keep trolling.



    And, of course, you aren't the one trolling here, huh? Geez, develop a
    thicker-skinned ego, boy.


  2. #32
    Leythos Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:11:37 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:1170380108_9197@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:21:28 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
    >>>
    >>> You keep trying to spam the product while claiming it is so easy to
    >>> install, configure, and use and yet for what it takes I can't see it
    >>> is
    >>> any harder than the son-in-law making a simple phone call to
    >>> father-in-law to guide him through a VNC install, or to enable Remote
    >>> Desktop that may already BE there in Windows. While I knock down
    >>> your
    >>> points, you keep coming back to spam the product. If the OP wants to
    >>> go
    >>> with GTMP then great for the OP, but it is not the miracle cure you
    >>> claim it to be.

    >>
    >> I don't use GTMP or any other product like it, I use VNC, but, I'm not
    >> in
    >> a position where my relative is behind a router that I didn't setup
    >> and
    >> might not know what the interface screens look like, etc....
    >>
    >> I use VNC all the time, and I ensure that I've got a router with a
    >> port
    >> forward or a VPN setup to get into the remote locations.
    >>
    >> You've not provided anything to "Knock down" my points, you just keep
    >> suggesting that there might be other issues that only you would care
    >> about.
    >>
    >> 1) GTMPC works and is designed for idiots to install
    >> 2) You can get a free trial
    >> 3) Only one person has to get the trial to test it
    >> 4) Once installed, the OP can easily install VNC and setup a PF
    >> 5) You cancel the trial
    >>
    >> Could be done in about 15 minutes.
    >>
    >> So, there is nothing you can "Knock Down", but you can keep trolling.

    >
    >
    > And, of course, you aren't the one trolling here, huh? Geez, develop a
    > thicker-skinned ego, boy.


    Develop a reason it would not work properly, cleanly, and give the support
    the OP asked for.


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  3. #33
    Vanguard Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:1170513816_21299@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >
    > Develop a reason it would not work properly, cleanly, and give the
    > support
    > the OP asked for.



    I did not mean to imply that GoToMyPC was not a viable solution. It is,
    but it is not *easier* to setup and use than Remote Desktop or VNC, and
    GoToMyPC carries a liability.

    GoToMyPC (GTMP):
    - Requires subscribing to a 3rd party service. You incur liability
    with your credit card and their behavior in using or not using it,
    getting refunds, how they pro-rate refunds, if at all, possible
    arbitration.
    - If their service is unavailable or unresponsive, you can't connect
    between server/remote and client hosts.
    - 1 month free. $20/month thereafter.

    VNC:
    - Totally free. Does not require subscribing to a 3rd party service.
    No divulging your personal info.
    - Does not depend on the availability of their service.
    - Free.

    Remote Desktop (RD):
    - Only applicable if using Windows XP, or later.
    - Totally free. No subscription to 3rd party.
    - Does not depend on availibility of a 3rd party service.
    - Free (as long as you have Windows XP, or later).
    PC Anywhere: Anyone still using this? Been over 6 years since I touched
    it. Don't know of anyone personally that still uses this.

    If NAT is involved, you may want to use No-IP or TZO to give you a
    memorable IP name instead of having to remember your current IP address.

    None of these is a viable solution unless the server/remote host is:
    - Always powered on.
    - The server/remote host has an always-on Internet connect (DSL or
    cable). Dial-up won't work because there would be no way to reach the
    remote host without the dial-up connection already active.

    You can call someone at the remote host to power it up and also ensure
    there is a network connection.


    --- For dad's setup (server or remote host):

    GMTP: Download and install.
    VNC: Download and install.
    RD: Already installed.

    GMTP: Create an account at a 3rd party (i.e., subscribe to their
    service).
    - Divulge your personal info (name, address, phone, etc.).
    - Divulge your credit card number (so they can automatically charge if
    you do not cancel before the 1-month trial expires).
    - Dad must terminate the account before the trial ends to avoid paying
    $20/month.
    VNC: No account required to use.
    - No personal info needed to use.
    - No credit card required to use.
    - No need to terminate an account because no such "trial" account ever
    existed.
    RD: No 3rd party account
    - No personal info needed.
    - No credit card needed.
    - No trial account to terminate to avoid accidental cost.
    - Uses NT accounts. Son will probably use Dad's, or have Dad define
    another admin account for son to use.

    GTMP: Does it run as an NT service?
    - If not an NT service, someone must login onto the server host to
    establish a user session to then load GMTP (manually or by startup
    mechanisms). Possibly you can use Task Scheduler to define an event to
    load GTMP on "Windows startup" to eliminate having to login.
    - If an NT service, great! Its manual, page 7, says, "The GoToMyPC
    Personal service is running." so maybe they run as an NT service.
    VNC: Can run as an NT service. No one needs to be logged onto the
    server host.
    RD: Runs as NT service. No user session required on the remote host.
    Son will login under Dad's account (unless it is not an admin account in
    which case a new admin account must be defined as the Administrator
    account should never be used except in emergencies). If son wants to
    use a web browser (instead of the RD client) from any computer, install
    RD Web Connection (Add/Remove, Windows Components, IIS).

    GMTP: If using Network Address Translation (via ICS or a NAT-enabled
    router), eliminates the need to externally identify your particular host
    since you are using a 3rd party service which knows your current IP
    address (their client tells it to them when it connects to their
    service). They provide the same IP name to IP address lookup service as
    does No-IP and TZO.
    VNC: Use No-IP.org or TZO.com to run a client that tells their service
    your current IP address and gives your host an IP name. Besides just
    remote access this has other advantages over GTMP, like being able to
    run a web server to which others can connect using a static IP name (so
    they don't need to know your current dynamic IP address). If you have a
    static IP address, use that and forget No-IP, TZO, and GTMP.
    RD: Use No-IP.org or TZO.com (both have free versions of their service)
    if you have a dynamic IP address. If static IP address, use that
    (although you could still use No-IP or TZO to give you a more memorable
    IP name).

    GMTP: If using a software firewall (or firewall in router, or both), its
    client connects using an outbound connection. You don't need to defined
    a connect rule for unsolicited inbound connects, but you may need to
    define an application rule to let their client make the outbound
    connection. Also, to eliminate the need for an inbound firewall rule,
    their client would need to keep a constant connect to their service.
    Personally I wouldn't want this always-on connect between a server
    process on my host to any service.
    VNC: You will need to define a connect rule to allow unsolicited inbound
    connects. If NAT is involved, use port forwarding, or use No-IP or TZO
    (which may also need a firewall rule).
    RD: Need a rule to allow unsolicited inbound connects. If NAT is
    involved, use port forwarding, or use No-IP or TZO (which may need their
    own firewall rule).


    --- For son's setup (client host):

    GMTP: Install more software, and on each computer he wants to use to
    connect to Dad's host.
    VNC: Optional (VNC viewer). Or use a web browser on any computer.
    RD: Already installed (for WinXP). Or use a web browser if RD Web
    Connection was installed on the server host.


    All have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't believe Dad is so
    stupid that he cannot be an automaton to follow son's instructions over
    the phone. If so, Dad won't even be able to do the required software
    installs and setup for ANY of the above products. Whether NAT even
    comes into play is unknown since the OP never revealed what Dad has for
    hardware and software setup, operating systems, Dad's intelligence,
    son's intelligence, etc.


  4. #34
    Leythos Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:17:11 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:1170513816_21299@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >>
    >> Develop a reason it would not work properly, cleanly, and give the
    >> support the OP asked for.

    >
    >
    > I did not mean to imply that GoToMyPC was not a viable solution. It is,
    > but it is not *easier* to setup and use than Remote Desktop or VNC, and
    > GoToMyPC carries a liability.


    I disagree, as setting up VNC requires that the remote person know how to
    edit the forwarding rules in their router, GTMPC doesn't.

    > GoToMyPC (GTMP):
    > - Requires subscribing to a 3rd party service. You incur liability
    > with your credit card and their behavior in using or not using it,
    > getting refunds, how they pro-rate refunds, if at all, possible
    > arbitration.
    > - If their service is unavailable or unresponsive, you can't connect
    > between server/remote and client hosts.
    > - 1 month free. $20/month thereafter.


    Ok, so, free, simple.


    > VNC:
    > - Totally free. Does not require subscribing to a 3rd party service.
    > No divulging your personal info.
    > - Does not depend on the availability of their service.
    > - Free.


    Ok, so, free, not simple - requires that the user know how to modify their
    NAT Forwarding rules.


    > Remote Desktop (RD):
    > - Only applicable if using Windows XP, or later.
    > - Totally free. No subscription to 3rd party.
    > - Does not depend on availibility of a 3rd party service.
    > - Free (as long as you have Windows XP, or later).


    See VNC, not going to work without modification of NAT Forwarding rules.

    > PC Anywhere: Anyone still using this? Been over 6 years since I touched
    > it. Don't know of anyone personally that still uses this.


    See VNC, not going to work without modification of NAT Forwarding rules.

    > If NAT is involved, you may want to use No-IP or TZO to give you a
    > memorable IP name instead of having to remember your current IP address.


    Not needed, just visit whatismyip.com and requires no additional anything.
    Remote user can tell local user what the IP is.

    > None of these is a viable solution unless the server/remote host is: -
    > Always powered on.


    And the remote user being available is what was assumed from the OP's post.

    > - The server/remote host has an always-on Internet connect (DSL or
    > cable). Dial-up won't work because there would be no way to reach the
    > remote host without the dial-up connection already active.


    And since we're going to assume the OP's remote person is available, it
    works fine with a Dial-Up connection initiated by the remote person.

    > You can call someone at the remote host to power it up and also ensure
    > there is a network connection.
    >
    >
    > --- For dad's setup (server or remote host):
    >
    > GMTP: Download and install.
    > VNC: Download and install.
    > RD: Already installed.
    >
    > GMTP: Create an account at a 3rd party (i.e., subscribe to their
    > service).
    > - Divulge your personal info (name, address, phone, etc.). - Divulge
    > your credit card number (so they can automatically charge if
    > you do not cancel before the 1-month trial expires).
    > - Dad must terminate the account before the trial ends to avoid paying
    > $20/month.


    Change - Son does the account as son is providing the support and has a
    better chance to interact with the cancel option.

    > VNC: No account required to use.
    > - No personal info needed to use.
    > - No credit card required to use.
    > - No need to terminate an account because no such "trial" account ever
    > existed.


    Requires the Dad to be able to edit the NAT Router in order to allow
    inbound connection from Son - Son MAY be able to walk Dad through this, or
    not.

    > RD: No 3rd party account
    > - No personal info needed.
    > - No credit card needed.
    > - No trial account to terminate to avoid accidental cost. - Uses NT
    > accounts. Son will probably use Dad's, or have Dad define
    > another admin account for son to use.


    Ha, Ha, Ha - have dad define another account - why, RD is a bad choice
    almost always.

    [snip part that doesn't matter]

    > All have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't believe Dad is so
    > stupid that he cannot be an automaton to follow son's instructions over
    > the phone. If so, Dad won't even be able to do the required software
    > installs and setup for ANY of the above products. Whether NAT even
    > comes into play is unknown since the OP never revealed what Dad has for
    > hardware and software setup, operating systems, Dad's intelligence,
    > son's intelligence, etc.


    What does matter is that we don't know eithers level of experience or
    anything other than they need to share a screen to support. What we do
    know is that GTMPC is free, only requires a few minutes to setup, will
    work with NAT and most firewalls, does not require a fixed IP, and the
    subscription can be terminated.

    We also know that with the above, the Son can connect to the Dad's PC,
    setup NAT Forwarding, setup VNC, etc.... and then use VNC to provide the
    support for free.

    So, you can posture all you want, but, for a SIMPLE solution, when we
    don't know eithers level of skill, the GTMPC will provide the "easiest"
    solution and then let them build any other solution they want.

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  5. #35
    Vanguard Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    news:1170527981_22748@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >

    <snip>
    >
    > --
    > Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?

    <snip - blah blah blah>


    Okay, you win. I grow weary of your anti-pcbutts1 crusade. I don't
    care for him, either, but I don't slam everyone else with a personal
    campaign. We already have those in various groups that use a script to
    repeatedly post their same diatribe over and over. The latest one is
    the idiot spewing his complaint against Symantec. You're putting
    yourself in bad company.


  6. #36
    Leythos Guest

    Re: GoToMyPC

    On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:57:17 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

    > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
    > news:1170527981_22748@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
    >>

    > <snip>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Want to know what PCBUTTS1 is really about?

    > <snip - blah blah blah>
    >
    >
    > Okay, you win. I grow weary of your anti-pcbutts1 crusade. I don't
    > care for him, either, but I don't slam everyone else with a personal
    > campaign. We already have those in various groups that use a script to
    > repeatedly post their same diatribe over and over. The latest one is
    > the idiot spewing his complaint against Symantec. You're putting
    > yourself in bad company.


    Except that I'm not posting BS, and nothing in the sig wasn't posted by
    butts.

    Oh, and this thread has NOTHING to do with butts.
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  7. #37
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    GoToMyPC is an hosted service and vulnerable to security breach. Instead, you may consider using a RHUB remote support server. It provides better security as compared to hosted services.

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