On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:17:11 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:1170513816_21299@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>
>> Develop a reason it would not work properly, cleanly, and give the
>> support the OP asked for.
>
>
> I did not mean to imply that GoToMyPC was not a viable solution. It is,
> but it is not *easier* to setup and use than Remote Desktop or VNC, and
> GoToMyPC carries a liability.

I disagree, as setting up VNC requires that the remote person know how to
edit the forwarding rules in their router, GTMPC doesn't.

> GoToMyPC (GTMP):
> - Requires subscribing to a 3rd party service. You incur liability
> with your credit card and their behavior in using or not using it,
> getting refunds, how they pro-rate refunds, if at all, possible
> arbitration.
> - If their service is unavailable or unresponsive, you can't connect
> between server/remote and client hosts.
> - 1 month free. $20/month thereafter.

Ok, so, free, simple.


> VNC:
> - Totally free. Does not require subscribing to a 3rd party service.
> No divulging your personal info.
> - Does not depend on the availability of their service.
> - Free.

Ok, so, free, not simple - requires that the user know how to modify their
NAT Forwarding rules.


> Remote Desktop (RD):
> - Only applicable if using Windows XP, or later.
> - Totally free. No subscription to 3rd party.
> - Does not depend on availibility of a 3rd party service.
> - Free (as long as you have Windows XP, or later).

See VNC, not going to work without modification of NAT Forwarding rules.

> PC Anywhere: Anyone still using this? Been over 6 years since I touched
> it. Don't know of anyone personally that still uses this.

See VNC, not going to work without modification of NAT Forwarding rules.

> If NAT is involved, you may want to use No-IP or TZO to give you a
> memorable IP name instead of having to remember your current IP address.

Not needed, just visit whatismyip.com and requires no additional anything.
Remote user can tell local user what the IP is.

> None of these is a viable solution unless the server/remote host is: -
> Always powered on.

And the remote user being available is what was assumed from the OP's post.

> - The server/remote host has an always-on Internet connect (DSL or
> cable). Dial-up won't work because there would be no way to reach the
> remote host without the dial-up connection already active.

And since we're going to assume the OP's remote person is available, it
works fine with a Dial-Up connection initiated by the remote person.

> You can call someone at the remote host to power it up and also ensure
> there is a network connection.
>
>
> --- For dad's setup (server or remote host):
>
> GMTP: Download and install.
> VNC: Download and install.
> RD: Already installed.
>
> GMTP: Create an account at a 3rd party (i.e., subscribe to their
> service).
> - Divulge your personal info (name, address, phone, etc.). - Divulge
> your credit card number (so they can automatically charge if
> you do not cancel before the 1-month trial expires).
> - Dad must terminate the account before the trial ends to avoid paying
> $20/month.

Change - Son does the account as son is providing the support and has a
better chance to interact with the cancel option.

> VNC: No account required to use.
> - No personal info needed to use.
> - No credit card required to use.
> - No need to terminate an account because no such "trial" account ever
> existed.

Requires the Dad to be able to edit the NAT Router in order to allow
inbound connection from Son - Son MAY be able to walk Dad through this, or
not.

> RD: No 3rd party account
> - No personal info needed.
> - No credit card needed.
> - No trial account to terminate to avoid accidental cost. - Uses NT
> accounts. Son will probably use Dad's, or have Dad define
> another admin account for son to use.

Ha, Ha, Ha - have dad define another account - why, RD is a bad choice
almost always.

[snip part that doesn't matter]

> All have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't believe Dad is so
> stupid that he cannot be an automaton to follow son's instructions over
> the phone. If so, Dad won't even be able to do the required software
> installs and setup for ANY of the above products. Whether NAT even
> comes into play is unknown since the OP never revealed what Dad has for
> hardware and software setup, operating systems, Dad's intelligence,
> son's intelligence, etc.

What does matter is that we don't know eithers level of experience or
anything other than they need to share a screen to support. What we do
know is that GTMPC is free, only requires a few minutes to setup, will
work with NAT and most firewalls, does not require a fixed IP, and the
subscription can be terminated.

We also know that with the above, the Son can connect to the Dad's PC,
setup NAT Forwarding, setup VNC, etc.... and then use VNC to provide the
support for free.

So, you can posture all you want, but, for a SIMPLE solution, when we
don't know eithers level of skill, the GTMPC will provide the "easiest"
solution and then let them build any other solution they want.

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