GoToMyPC

[Vanguard]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:43:57 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:1170176013_6089@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:45:16 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Leythos" wrote ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bogey On" wrote ...
>>>>>>> How safe is this program? I need to control my father-in-law's
>>>>>>> computer in order to help him with maintenance etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why pay for remote service when VNC (RealVNC or TightVNC) are
>>>>>> free?
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> you both have Windows XP then use its included Remote Desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people can't use VNC because of the NAT service provided by
>>>>> their
>>>>> routers or ISP routers. While we block GTMP on all of our
>>>>> firewalls,
>>>>> it
>>>>> does have benefit for things like the op's need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even the cheapie NAT routers have port forwarding so you can
>>>> specify
>>>> the
>>>> port which would forward to a specific internal host, like using
>>>> http://<yourIPaddrOrNumber>:<port>. So you have the router use
>>>> port
>>>> forwarding on a specific port to get to a specific host in your
>>>> intranetwork.
>>>
>>> What makes you think that the remote person know enough to do port
>>> forwarding or that the local person knows enough to walk them
>>> through
>>> the
>>> changes?
>>
>> Then installing AND configuring GoToMyPC would also be beyond the
>> means
>> of the OP's father-in-law. The OP will end up visiting father-in-law
>> no
>> matter what solution is used to setup father-in-law's computer for
>> remote access if father-in-law is so retarded so he cannot follow
>> instructions as an automatron at the other end of a phone call. If
>> father-in-law is so stupid as to not figure out how to configure a
>> router even under the instruction of his son-in-law then
>> father-in-law
>> probably doesn't even have a router and instead connects his computer
>> directly to the cable/DSL model or might even still be using dial-up
>> for
>> all we know. The OP hasn't explained anything regarding
>> father-in-law's
>> hardware setup.
>
> No, you've got it wrong - GTMP is designed for non-technical types,
> it's
> designed to be installed by just the OP's type of people. No changes
> to a
> router, not port forwarding, etc... It's so simple a doctor could do
> it.


So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because son-in-law is
too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law act
the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users that
want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound like
what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the bill.

[Leythos]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:03:36 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:1170204630_8011@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:43:57 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>>
>>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>> news:1170176013_6089@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:45:16 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Leythos" wrote ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bogey On" wrote ...
>>>>>>>> How safe is this program? I need to control my father-in-law's
>>>>>>>> computer in order to help him with maintenance etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why pay for remote service when VNC (RealVNC or TightVNC) are
>>>>>>> free?
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you both have Windows XP then use its included Remote Desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many people can't use VNC because of the NAT service provided by
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> routers or ISP routers. While we block GTMP on all of our
>>>>>> firewalls,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> does have benefit for things like the op's need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the cheapie NAT routers have port forwarding so you can specify
>>>>> the
>>>>> port which would forward to a specific internal host, like using
>>>>> http://<yourIPaddrOrNumber>:<port>. So you have the router use port
>>>>> forwarding on a specific port to get to a specific host in your
>>>>> intranetwork.
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think that the remote person know enough to do port
>>>> forwarding or that the local person knows enough to walk them through
>>>> the
>>>> changes?
>>>
>>> Then installing AND configuring GoToMyPC would also be beyond the
>>> means
>>> of the OP's father-in-law. The OP will end up visiting father-in-law
>>> no
>>> matter what solution is used to setup father-in-law's computer for
>>> remote access if father-in-law is so retarded so he cannot follow
>>> instructions as an automatron at the other end of a phone call. If
>>> father-in-law is so stupid as to not figure out how to configure a
>>> router even under the instruction of his son-in-law then father-in-law
>>> probably doesn't even have a router and instead connects his computer
>>> directly to the cable/DSL model or might even still be using dial-up
>>> for
>>> all we know. The OP hasn't explained anything regarding
>>> father-in-law's
>>> hardware setup.
>>
>> No, you've got it wrong - GTMP is designed for non-technical types,
>> it's
>> designed to be installed by just the OP's type of people. No changes to
>> a
>> router, not port forwarding, etc... It's so simple a doctor could do
>> it.
>
>
> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because son-in-law is
> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law act
> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users that
> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound like
> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the bill.

You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....

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[Vanguard]

"Leythos" wrote in message news:1170205581_8027@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>
> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because son-in-law
>> is
>> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law
>> act
>> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
>> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
>> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
>> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users
>> that
>> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound
>> like
>> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the
>> bill.
>
> You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....


One month of "maintenance" by son-in-law won't be of much help to
father-in-law.

[Leythos]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:34:05 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

> "Leythos" wrote in message news:1170205581_8027@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>
>> Vanguard wrote:
>>
>>> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because son-in-law
>>> is
>>> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law
>>> act
>>> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
>>> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
>>> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
>>> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users
>>> that
>>> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound
>>> like
>>> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the
>>> bill.
>>
>> You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....
>
>
> One month of "maintenance" by son-in-law won't be of much help to
> father-in-law.

Ah, but you don't seem to understand that once the Son-in law is in using
GTMP that he can make the changes/adjustments so that he can get in using
VNC or some other method. Think in broader terms.


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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:34:05 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" wrote in message
>> news:1170205581_8027@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>>
>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>>> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because
>>>> son-in-law
>>>> is
>>>> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law
>>>> act
>>>> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
>>>> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
>>>> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
>>>> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users
>>>> that
>>>> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound
>>>> like
>>>> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the
>>>> bill.
>>>
>>> You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....
>>
>> One month of "maintenance" by son-in-law won't be of much help to
>> father-in-law.
>
> Ah, but you don't seem to understand that once the Son-in law is in
> using
> GTMP that he can make the changes/adjustments so that he can get in
> using
> VNC or some other method. Think in broader terms.


Have you read their Terms of Service?

"At the end of the trial period You will be automatically subscribed and
we will bill your credit card for the fees to the Service plan You
selected at registration or to a default Service plan for trial
subscribers selected by Citrix Online. ... If You wish to terminate the
trial and do not wish to subscribe to a plan, You must cancel before the
end of your trial period."

That's an old but effective ploy to bilk a significant number of "trial"
users out of, at least, one month's fees. The user will typically not
remember to cancel the trial before it ends or mistakeningly believes
that it is really without strings attached - until they get charged and
then cancels but by then ends up paying for that "free" month of use (by
getting forced into another involuntary suscription to the next month
that is billed in *advance*). Of course, since you must cancel *before*
the end of the trial means you really don't get the full period of the
trial. Cancelling after the end of the trial means you already got
automatically subscribed.

So father-in-law has to spend the time figuring out how to subscribe,
install software, decide on a passcode and do whatever minimally is
required, like configure his software firewall to allow GTMP to accept
unsolicited inbound connects, before son-in-law can install the *actual*
remote access solution and father-in-law has to remember to cancel the
"trial" before it ends so he doesn't get charged. Citrix aren't dummies
in marketing, ya know.

[Leythos]

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:41:30 -0600, Vanguard wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:1170294030_2199@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:34:05 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>>
>>> "Leythos" wrote in message
>>> news:1170205581_8027@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>>>
>>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because
>>>>> son-in-law
>>>>> is
>>>>> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have father-in-law
>>>>> act
>>>>> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
>>>>> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
>>>>> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
>>>>> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for users
>>>>> that
>>>>> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't sound
>>>>> like
>>>>> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing the
>>>>> bill.
>>>>
>>>> You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....
>>>
>>> One month of "maintenance" by son-in-law won't be of much help to
>>> father-in-law.
>>
>> Ah, but you don't seem to understand that once the Son-in law is in
>> using
>> GTMP that he can make the changes/adjustments so that he can get in
>> using
>> VNC or some other method. Think in broader terms.
>
>
> Have you read their Terms of Service?
>
> "At the end of the trial period You will be automatically subscribed and
> we will bill your credit card for the fees to the Service plan You
> selected at registration or to a default Service plan for trial
> subscribers selected by Citrix Online. ... If You wish to terminate the
> trial and do not wish to subscribe to a plan, You must cancel before the
> end of your trial period."
>
> That's an old but effective ploy to bilk a significant number of "trial"
> users out of, at least, one month's fees. The user will typically not
> remember to cancel the trial before it ends or mistakeningly believes
> that it is really without strings attached - until they get charged and
> then cancels but by then ends up paying for that "free" month of use (by
> getting forced into another involuntary suscription to the next month
> that is billed in *advance*). Of course, since you must cancel *before*
> the end of the trial means you really don't get the full period of the
> trial. Cancelling after the end of the trial means you already got
> automatically subscribed.
>
> So father-in-law has to spend the time figuring out how to subscribe,
> install software, decide on a passcode and do whatever minimally is
> required, like configure his software firewall to allow GTMP to accept
> unsolicited inbound connects, before son-in-law can install the *actual*
> remote access solution and father-in-law has to remember to cancel the
> "trial" before it ends so he doesn't get charged. Citrix aren't dummies
> in marketing, ya know.

You know, this was a really simple thing - the OP wanted to support his
relatives system, asked about means, GTMP was discussed with other
products. GTMP is available on a trial basis, does not require any
technical skill, and is FREE, allows the OP to gain access to setup any
other method once he's in... You keep finding ways to divert from the fact
that it would be simple, allows all the requirements, and works.

Are you trolling now?

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:41:30 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:1170294030_2199@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:34:05 -0600, Vanguard wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Leythos" wrote in message
>>>> news:1170205581_8027@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Vanguard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So father-in-law gets stuck paying $20/month just because
>>>>>> son-in-law
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> too lazy to call father-in-law on the phone and have
>>>>>> father-in-law
>>>>>> act
>>>>>> the automatron to follow son-in-law's instructions? And for
>>>>>> once-in-a-blue-moon assistance from son-in-law? GTMP is hardly a
>>>>>> financially sound solution for the OP's original stipulation of
>>>>>> providing occasional help to father-in-law. GTMP is more for
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> want repeat and often remote access to their hosts. Doesn't
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> what the OP is asking about, and father-in-law ends up footing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are aware that you can try GTMP for free for 30 days or so....
>>>>
>>>> One month of "maintenance" by son-in-law won't be of much help to
>>>> father-in-law.
>>>
>>> Ah, but you don't seem to understand that once the Son-in law is in
>>> using
>>> GTMP that he can make the changes/adjustments so that he can get in
>>> using
>>> VNC or some other method. Think in broader terms.
>>
>>
>> Have you read their Terms of Service?
>>
>> "At the end of the trial period You will be automatically subscribed
>> and
>> we will bill your credit card for the fees to the Service plan You
>> selected at registration or to a default Service plan for trial
>> subscribers selected by Citrix Online. ... If You wish to terminate
>> the
>> trial and do not wish to subscribe to a plan, You must cancel before
>> the
>> end of your trial period."
>>
>> That's an old but effective ploy to bilk a significant number of
>> "trial"
>> users out of, at least, one month's fees. The user will typically
>> not
>> remember to cancel the trial before it ends or mistakeningly believes
>> that it is really without strings attached - until they get charged
>> and
>> then cancels but by then ends up paying for that "free" month of use
>> (by
>> getting forced into another involuntary suscription to the next month
>> that is billed in *advance*). Of course, since you must cancel
>> *before*
>> the end of the trial means you really don't get the full period of
>> the
>> trial. Cancelling after the end of the trial means you already got
>> automatically subscribed.
>>
>> So father-in-law has to spend the time figuring out how to subscribe,
>> install software, decide on a passcode and do whatever minimally is
>> required, like configure his software firewall to allow GTMP to
>> accept
>> unsolicited inbound connects, before son-in-law can install the
>> *actual*
>> remote access solution and father-in-law has to remember to cancel
>> the
>> "trial" before it ends so he doesn't get charged. Citrix aren't
>> dummies
>> in marketing, ya know.
>
> You know, this was a really simple thing - the OP wanted to support
> his
> relatives system, asked about means, GTMP was discussed with other
> products. GTMP is available on a trial basis, does not require any
> technical skill, and is FREE, allows the OP to gain access to setup
> any
> other method once he's in... You keep finding ways to divert from the
> fact
> that it would be simple, allows all the requirements, and works.
>
> Are you trolling now?


You keep trying to spam the product while claiming it is so easy to
install, configure, and use and yet for what it takes I can't see it is
any harder than the son-in-law making a simple phone call to
father-in-law to guide him through a VNC install, or to enable Remote
Desktop that may already BE there in Windows. While I knock down your
points, you keep coming back to spam the product. If the OP wants to go
with GTMP then great for the OP, but it is not the miracle cure you
claim it to be.