Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

[4Q]

kurt wismer wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1@aioe.org:
> >> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]

<snip>

You can either accept the
> > post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
> > worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.
>
> dropping names may not help anyone, but the claim that has been made
> hurts the entire industry and hurts consumers... it feeds a rumor that
> has no right to be unless it's true... do you think people will continue
> to be as rational in their av decisions as they currently are if they
> start believing rumors of such funny business behind the scenes in the
> av industry? that's not to say that they are perfectly rational, of
> course, but such rumors will almost certainly exacerbate their
> irrationality...
>
> since this isn't something that can be disproved, since you can't prove
> a negative, the only way to fight the rumor is to challenge it... if the
> rumor is true then it should be provable... if no one is willing to
> prove it then that should count for something at least...
>
> >>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
> >>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
> >>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
> >>> major source.
> >> yeah, so about that burden...


> >
> > No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
> > to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
> > things aside from names, then ask.
>
> i considered responding to 4q but decided it would probably qualify as
> feeding trolls... since you brought it up to i will say it here -
> pointing to a domain does not satisfy the burden of proof in any way...
> point to a *document* or don't waste my time, it's not my job to sift
> through an entire domain looking for someone else's alleged proof...

*HAHA*
Some expert you are! Haven't even read the VX zines for the background
in his AV quest. Live in blissful ignorance you half-expert.


4Q

[4Q]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote:
>
> > you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> > ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
> > ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
> > whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
> > trust...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

Yeah good one. They even made a hollywood movie about him "Catch me if
you can". And let's not forget Kevin Mitnick is making a nice living
out of his "bad-guy" past.

Kurt Wismer is just an anal half-ass expert and can't except the fact
that some of these so called "bay-guys" are very talented individuals
with years of specilized skills that make them a valuable asset to the
overall human knowledge contribution.

Just look at Zombies, ZMist as an exmaple of a great contribution to
knowledge. I know which guy I'd choose as senior technical consultant
for a security company if my choice was Zombie or a techno numpty like
Graham Cluely.


4Q

[kurt wismer]

[at the risk of feeding trolls]
4Q wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote:
[snip]
>> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
>> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
>> to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
>> reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...
>
> Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid ****. You've already
> libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
> the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
> and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
> arsonist.
>
> *you silly ********

pot, kettle, black... your strawman was moronic... my simile compared
hiring practices, not positions or applicants... if i say i'm sticking
to you like white on rice i'm not comparing either of us to rice or the
colour white...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1170283491.286718.178160@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com:
>
> > David H. Lipman wrote:
> >> From: "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> |
> >> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource
> >> | and your peers can vouch for your integrity.
> >> |
> >> | 4Q
> >>
> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of
> >> exploitation.
> >
> > It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
> > come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
> > here ;]])
>
> Like I said, I don't need open source. I do have people who can vouch for
> me, well respected individuals. My past is exactly that, the past. People
> won't be able to look down on me forever. When I hit 10,000 or more hits,
> can anyone really still deny BugHunter's usefulness? Regardless of the
> fact an ex-Vxer wrote it.
>
> > & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume yet?!?
> > working on it *grin*
>
> I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
> personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for
> your sites. Ok?

A man of your word, aye ;]]
No photo. Did you send Laura
your photo or can she assume your
words are worthless?

Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they won't
> think of me as low as some do now.
>

Yes, let the Usenet public see who
this great ASIC 16bit DOS box coder
really is.

Incase anyone is wondering what's
inside the BugHunter string scanner
take a look at these.

http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/acvsc/

809b46cfc09e48f5.txt
600600e471413116.txt
06e6bc3879503044.txt

And here's a word from our hero

"...I've been to the dark side, I
think I'll stay awhile"

Well you've got to trust he's not
bull****ting us on his word again.





> > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to be
> > strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> > Lipman! ;]]
>
> I believe I have David's trust, atleast some.
>

Has he seen your messy ASIC ****?
*grin*


4Q (The AV turncoat's biographer)

p.s. If you'd like to know more about
Dustin Cook (aka Raid the b'ASIC coder)
then you should bookmark the following
link(s). I promise you it will be
worth following.

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

[Dustin Cook]

"4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
>> news:1170283491.286718.178160@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>> > David H. Lipman wrote:
>> >> From: "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> |
>> >> | See Raid this is why you need to release Bughunter as Opensource
>> >> | and your peers can vouch for your integrity.
>> >> |
>> >> | 4Q
>> >>
>> >> BugHunter is clean of malware and does not exibit any form of
>> >> exploitation.
>> >
>> > It's so nice to see one of Dustin's fellow anti-malware colleagues
>> > come forth to vouch for him! (I see a super hero duo being formed
>> > here ;]])
>>
>> Like I said, I don't need open source. I do have people who can vouch
>> for me, well respected individuals. My past is exactly that, the
>> past. People won't be able to look down on me forever. When I hit
>> 10,000 or more hits, can anyone really still deny BugHunter's
>> usefulness? Regardless of the fact an ex-Vxer wrote it.
>>
>> > & Dustin Cook as 'Robin(red breast)' <-- no picture or costume
>> > yet?!? working on it *grin*
>>
>> I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
>> personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for
>> your sites. Ok?
>
> A man of your word, aye ;]]
> No photo. Did you send Laura
> your photo or can she assume your
> words are worthless?

A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
unmodified if you'd like.

> Yes, let the Usenet public see who
> this great ASIC 16bit DOS box coder
> really is.

ehehehe.. Okay, 4Q, thanks for calling me Great

> Incase anyone is wondering what's
> inside the BugHunter string scanner
> take a look at these.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/acvsc/
>
> 809b46cfc09e48f5.txt
> 600600e471413116.txt
> 06e6bc3879503044.txt

So your coming at me with things that are almost 10 years old now?
From: C...@raiderz.com (Casio [SLAM])
Subject: an oldie.. Weed v1.0
Date: 1997/12/16

4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.


The last one is especially silly, man..

Date: 1997/07/23
Message-ID: <33d6015c.0@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 259547767
Organization: Southwest Cyberport
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code


I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.

It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
old assembler routines too? *grin*


> And here's a word from our hero
>
> "...I've been to the dark side, I
> think I'll stay awhile"
>
> Well you've got to trust he's not
> bull****ting us on his word again.

Hah! Your a funny one.

>> > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to
>> > be strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
>> > Lipman! ;]]
>>
>> I believe I have David's trust, atleast some.
>>
>
> Has he seen your messy ASIC ****?
> *grin*

Oh, I'm sure he's seen those old posts you found, yes. I have a wider
audience and contact list than you seem to realize, old buddy.

>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's biographer)
>
> p.s. If you'd like to know more about
> Dustin Cook (aka Raid the b'ASIC coder)
> then you should bookmark the following
> link(s). I promise you it will be
> worth following.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

I also recommend you bookmark these urls. 4Q is sure to give you an
amusing journey into some old things I most likely did during my time as
a Vxer. You have to appreciate the person behind the mask. It's my turn?
to be on the front cover!


--
Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk - email:
bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com:

<snip>

> >
> > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > your photo or can she assume your
> > words are worthless?
>
> A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> unmodified if you'd like.

Stop gas-bagging about sending it and
send it. I've been looking forward to
a good laugh... I started to suspect
you hadn't found a picture off
uglymugs.com or trailerpark trash
and that was the delay.


<snip>

>
> 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.

I'm sure it will be posted to ACVSC
now that a flag has been raised ;]]

>
> The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> Date: 1997/07/23
> Message-ID: <33d6015c.0@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
>
> I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> old assembler routines too? *grin*

Are you sure the original author
(Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
writing it,,, Mr Coderipper?

Anyone wanting to look inside this
snippet can boot up something like
Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
credit for their work ;]]



4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/

updated!

[owowa.zeppelin@gmail.com]

On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> >news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > > your photo or can she assume your
> > > words are worthless?
>
> > A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> > unmodified if you'd like.
>
> Stop gas-bagging about sending it and
> send it. I've been looking forward to
> a good laugh... I started to suspect
> you hadn't found a picture off
> uglymugs.com or trailerpark trash
> and that was the delay.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.
>
> I'm sure it will be posted to ACVSC
> now that a flag has been raised ;]]
>
>
>
> > The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> > Date: 1997/07/23
> > Message-ID: <33d6015...@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
> > X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> > Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
> > I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> > Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > old assembler routines too? *grin*
>
> Are you sure the original author
> (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> writing it,,, MrCoderipper?
>
> Anyone wanting to look inside this
> snippet can boot up something like
> Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> credit for their work ;]]
>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Co...sk/chars/Raid/
>
> updated!

Now I am cornfused! I thought Dustin was all over pcbutts like a
cheap suit over using intellectual property of another individual.
Are you suggesting pcbutts *IS* Dustin?

What a star lippy-man has hitched his wagon (the one he is draggin?)
to...

[4Q]

owowa.zeppelin@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > Dustin Cook wrote:
> > > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> > >news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
> >

<snip>


> > > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > > old assembler routines too? *grin*
> >
> > Are you sure the original author
> > (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> > writing it,,, MrCoderipper?
> >
> > Anyone wanting to look inside this
> > snippet can boot up something like
> > Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> > a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> > minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> > credit for their work ;]]
> >
> > 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
> >
> > http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Co...sk/chars/Raid/
> >
> > updated!
>
> Now I am cornfused! I thought Dustin was all over pcbutts like a
> cheap suit over using intellectual property of another individual.
> Are you suggesting pcbutts *IS* Dustin?

I dunno, let's see this trailerpark
photo he's promised to send before
I can give you a definative answer.

>
> What a star lippy-man has hitched his wagon (the one he is draggin?)
> to...

Poor old Lipman... at least we know
what he looks like.

http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- he looks like yer typical ASIC
coder.

http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl2.jpg <-- *found* by Laura
Fredericks ;]]


4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/ <-- *our* hero

p.s. I might start a mailing list for anyone interested in seeing
what's
inside BugHuckster. Gentlemen, start
your debuggers *wink*

p.p.s. I have all of Raid's previous
works of art, some binary, some source
code... just need to locate the backup
disk.

[4Q]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
> news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com:

<snip>

I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
> >> personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me for
> >> your sites. Ok?
> >
> > A man of your word, aye ;]]
> > No photo. Did you send Laura
> > your photo or can she assume your
> > words are worthless?
>
> A photo is forthcoming 4Q, and yes, I give you permission to host it
> unmodified if you'd like.
>
> > Yes, let the Usenet public see who
> > this great ASIC 16bit DOS box coder
> > really is.
>
> ehehehe.. Okay, 4Q, thanks for calling me Great
>
> > Incase anyone is wondering what's
> > inside the BugHunter string scanner
> > take a look at these.
> >
> > http://fourq.host.sk/INFO/acvsc/
> >
> > 809b46cfc09e48f5.txt
> > 600600e471413116.txt
> > 06e6bc3879503044.txt
>
> So your coming at me with things that are almost 10 years old now?
> From: C...@raiderz.com (Casio [SLAM])
> Subject: an oldie.. Weed v1.0
> Date: 1997/12/16
>
> 4Q, can't you find something more recent? eheh... Sheesh.
>
>
> The last one is especially silly, man..
>
> Date: 1997/07/23
> Message-ID: <33d6015c.0@nova.zianet.com>#1/1
> X-Deja-AN: 259547767
> Organization: Southwest Cyberport
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code
>
>
> I forgot to include the critical error handler which rustybug needs
> Its an .obj file, linked in during compile.
>
> It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> old assembler routines too? *grin*
>
>
> > And here's a word from our hero
> >
> > "...I've been to the dark side, I
> > think I'll stay awhile"
> >
> > Well you've got to trust he's not
> > bull****ting us on his word again.
>
> Hah! Your a funny one.
>
> >> > So he might jump back? This hero partnership of yours is going to
> >> > be strained from the outset if you can't trust your own sidekick,
> >> > Lipman! ;]]
> >>
> >> I believe I have David's trust, atleast some.
> >>
> >
> > Has he seen your messy ASIC ****?
> > *grin*
>
> Oh, I'm sure he's seen those old posts you found, yes. I have a wider
> audience and contact list than you seem to realize, old buddy.
>
> >
> > 4Q (The AV turncoat's biographer)
> >
> > p.s. If you'd like to know more about
> > Dustin Cook (aka Raid the b'ASIC coder)
> > then you should bookmark the following




> > link(s). I promise you it will be
> > worth following.
> >
> > http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/
> > http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Raid/
>
> I also recommend you bookmark these urls. 4Q is sure to give you an
> amusing journey into some old things I most likely did during my time as
> a Vxer. You have to appreciate the person behind the mask. It's my turn?
> to be on the front cover!

*hehehehe* I remember when the Millenium Dickhead (aka Brian
'dickhead' Barlev) crowed about my telling his story for the benefit
of a wider audience via a special webpage... Initially the cheeky
******* would email me and say I was doing him a great publicity job,
as he mind manipulated me into writing whatever he wanted.

Eventually as the years rolled on he realized his story wasn't exactly
going as well as he thought it might *smirk*. Then 'the story' started
to sink in... How many times did he try to commit suicide? 3-4???
times before they locked him up in a mental hospital. Well we never
did hear from Dickhead again... *shrug* (I'd like to think he thought
of me as the razorblade cut for the last time) *LOL*


4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)

http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/

[owowa.zeppelin@gmail.com]

On Feb 19, 4:40 am, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> owowa.zeppe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 11:26 pm, "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dustin Cook wrote:
> > > > "4Q" <paul_z...@hushmail.com> wrote in
> > > >news:1171850573.103492.57950@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > It's assembler... Are you going to make fun of my sloppy almost 10 year
> > > > old assembler routines too? *grin*
>
> > > Are you sure the original author
> > > (Charon Software) of this code is going to mind you taking credit for
> > > writing it,,, MrCoderipper?
>
> > > Anyone wanting to look inside this
> > > snippet can boot up something like
> > > Knoppix and run uudecode... then use
> > > a Hexedit to see if 'Charon Sofware'
> > > minds our BugHuckster Raidy taking
> > > credit for their work ;]]
>
> > > 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
>
> > >http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Co...sk/chars/Raid/
>
> > > updated!
>
> > Now I am cornfused! I thought Dustin was all over pcbutts like a
> > cheap suit over using intellectual property of another individual.
> > Are you suggesting pcbutts *IS* Dustin?
>
> I dunno, let's see this trailerpark
> photo he's promised to send before
> I can give you a definative answer.
>
>
>
> > What a star lippy-man has hitched his wagon (the one he is draggin?)
> > to...
>
> Poor old Lipman... at least we know
> what he looks like.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl.jpg <-- he looks like yer typical ASIC
> coder.
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/img/dhl2.jpg <-- *found* by Laura
> Fredericks ;]]
>
> 4Q (The AV turncoat's official biographer)
>
> http://fourq.host.sk/chars/Dustin_Cook/<-- *our* hero
>
> p.s. I might start a mailing list for anyone interested in seeing
> what's
> inside BugHuckster. Gentlemen, start
> your debuggers *wink*
>
> p.p.s. I have all of Raid's previous
> works of art, some binary, some source
> code... just need to locate the backup
> disk.

Hmm. Two comments.

1. (In a cheeky English accent) What a handsome chap.

2. Got any copies suitable for framing? This image would just round
out my mantel shelf collection of photos.

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