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    kurt wismer Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    Dustin Cook wrote:
    > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1@aioe.org:
    >> David H. Lipman wrote:

    [snip]
    >> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
    >> lies with the claimant...

    >
    > Some of the proof you seek has already been made available to you.


    no, actually, it hasn't...

    > I'm
    > afraid in this case, I would be with David. You can either accept the
    > post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
    > worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.


    dropping names may not help anyone, but the claim that has been made
    hurts the entire industry and hurts consumers... it feeds a rumor that
    has no right to be unless it's true... do you think people will continue
    to be as rational in their av decisions as they currently are if they
    start believing rumors of such funny business behind the scenes in the
    av industry? that's not to say that they are perfectly rational, of
    course, but such rumors will almost certainly exacerbate their
    irrationality...

    since this isn't something that can be disproved, since you can't prove
    a negative, the only way to fight the rumor is to challenge it... if the
    rumor is true then it should be provable... if no one is willing to
    prove it then that should count for something at least...

    >>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
    >>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
    >>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
    >>> major source.

    >> yeah, so about that burden...

    >
    > No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
    > to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
    > things aside from names, then ask.


    i considered responding to 4q but decided it would probably qualify as
    feeding trolls... since you brought it up to i will say it here -
    pointing to a domain does not satisfy the burden of proof in any way...
    point to a *document* or don't waste my time, it's not my job to sift
    through an entire domain looking for someone else's alleged proof...

    --
    "it's not the right time to be sober
    now the idiots have taken over
    spreading like a social cancer,
    is there an answer?"

  2. #2
    4Q Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    kurt wismer wrote:
    > Dustin Cook wrote:
    > > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1@aioe.org:
    > >> David H. Lipman wrote:

    > [snip]


    <snip>

    You can either accept the
    > > post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
    > > worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.

    >
    > dropping names may not help anyone, but the claim that has been made
    > hurts the entire industry and hurts consumers... it feeds a rumor that
    > has no right to be unless it's true... do you think people will continue
    > to be as rational in their av decisions as they currently are if they
    > start believing rumors of such funny business behind the scenes in the
    > av industry? that's not to say that they are perfectly rational, of
    > course, but such rumors will almost certainly exacerbate their
    > irrationality...
    >
    > since this isn't something that can be disproved, since you can't prove
    > a negative, the only way to fight the rumor is to challenge it... if the
    > rumor is true then it should be provable... if no one is willing to
    > prove it then that should count for something at least...
    >
    > >>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
    > >>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
    > >>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
    > >>> major source.
    > >> yeah, so about that burden...



    > >
    > > No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
    > > to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
    > > things aside from names, then ask.

    >
    > i considered responding to 4q but decided it would probably qualify as
    > feeding trolls... since you brought it up to i will say it here -
    > pointing to a domain does not satisfy the burden of proof in any way...
    > point to a *document* or don't waste my time, it's not my job to sift
    > through an entire domain looking for someone else's alleged proof...


    *HAHA*
    Some expert you are! Haven't even read the VX zines for the background
    in his AV quest. Live in blissful ignorance you half-expert.


    4Q


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