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  1. #1
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:

    > David H. Lipman wrote:
    > [snip]
    >> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
    >> creators.

    >
    > which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
    > ex virus writers'...


    The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
    household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
    basis years ago with several Antivirus persons. I won't tell you who they
    are, so you can either believe me or not. I only mentioned the fact I
    corresponded with a few for the point I hope to make easy enough to
    follow.

    > if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to
    > pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...


    This is something that simply shouldn't be done. Seriously. Some persons
    take vxers/exvxers very wrongly. Serious misunderstanding about the type
    of persons we usually are. The antivirus companies of course make no
    effort to change this public image. In some cases, the company itself may
    not even be aware of ones online history, depending on how that person
    chose to be. Some people are different online than they are in real life.
    Others, like myself, Are the same online as we are in real life. I do not
    maintain dual personalities etc, As a programmer, I'm lazy, and that's
    just too damn time consuming. What you see is what you get with me.

    Case in point, If I'm willing to tell you to go away or get ****ed
    online, you can be rest assured regardless of how big or who you are, I'd
    do the same in real life as well. I'm very upfront and to the point, it's
    the way I was brought up. Some people consider this rude right off the
    bat, even when I didn't intend to be.

    I have known you for a very long time, and I do hold you in high respect,
    but I wouldn't if I was David be able to provide evidence in this case,
    not because their isn't any, but because those individuals activities
    under their assumed identity should not become public knowledge with a
    real name unless those authors choose to do so, like stormbringer and
    myself.

    Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
    usenet poster is just to risky and immature. Nothing is really gained by
    this. David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
    companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
    rumour live.

    In most cases, those involved in the antimalware side of things are not
    actively coding viruses. If they're still even maintaining contact with
    other Vxers, their time is spent writing/testing productive code.

    Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

    Rhonda,

    I've read your comments lately discussing the matter, for some reason, it
    almost looks like you and I agree. With your permission, I'd like to
    email you and remove you from my killfile.





    --
    Dustin Cook
    Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
    web: http://bughunter.it-mate.co.uk
    email: bughunter.dustin@gmail.com.removethis
    Last updated: January 30th, 2007

  2. #2
    kurt wismer Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    Dustin Cook wrote:
    > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:
    >
    >> David H. Lipman wrote:
    >> [snip]
    >>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
    >>> creators.

    >> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
    >> ex virus writers'...

    >
    > The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
    > household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
    > basis years ago with several Antivirus persons.


    surprise me? i was there! they called you by your first name and you
    called them by theirs...

    [snip]
    > Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
    > usenet poster is just to risky and immature.


    if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
    mistaken...

    > Nothing is really gained by
    > this.


    not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
    confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
    justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
    picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...

    > David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
    > companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
    > rumour live.


    no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
    writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
    writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...

    [snip]
    > Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.


    no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
    or being described at all for that matter...

    you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
    ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
    to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
    reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

    --
    "it's not the right time to be sober
    now the idiots have taken over
    spreading like a social cancer,
    is there an answer?"

  3. #3
    4Q Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    kurt wismer wrote:
    > Dustin Cook wrote:
    > > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:
    > >
    > >> David H. Lipman wrote:
    > >> [snip]


    <snip>


    > [snip]
    > > Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
    > > usenet poster is just to risky and immature.

    >
    > if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
    > mistaken...


    tough!

    >
    > > Nothing is really gained by
    > > this.

    >
    > not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
    > confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
    > justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
    > picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...


    Lack of confidence!

    Rob Rosenberger has been informing people about the AV addiction scam
    for years, yet people haven't lost their confidence in the av ripoff
    industry yet. Nothing is going to convince the ignorant punters how
    much they are being duped by this money making cartel. For ****s sake
    people are still being taken in with the "you are protected from
    100,000+ virus" ****! because people can't make reasonable risk
    assessment of the real problems when they have fat av marketing clowns
    like Graham Cluely hyping things to the max.

    99% of that virus database can be dismissed right away... Let them
    dare tell the truth, their share holders won't let them. ;]]




    >
    > > David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
    > > companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
    > > rumour live.


    *Hahaha* Do you know how the AV industry get a lot of their samples?
    >From the virus traders, who get them from the creators... indirect

    links anyone *LOL*

    >
    > no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
    > writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
    > writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...
    >
    > [snip]
    > > Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

    >
    > no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
    > or being described at all for that matter...
    >
    > you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
    > ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
    > to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
    > reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...


    Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid ****. You've already
    libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
    the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
    and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
    arsonist.

    *you silly ********


    4Q


  4. #4
    kurt wismer Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    [at the risk of feeding trolls]
    4Q wrote:
    > kurt wismer wrote:

    [snip]
    >> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
    >> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
    >> to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
    >> reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

    >
    > Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid ****. You've already
    > libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
    > the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
    > and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
    > arsonist.
    >
    > *you silly ********


    pot, kettle, black... your strawman was moronic... my simile compared
    hiring practices, not positions or applicants... if i say i'm sticking
    to you like white on rice i'm not comparing either of us to rice or the
    colour white...

    --
    "it's not the right time to be sober
    now the idiots have taken over
    spreading like a social cancer,
    is there an answer?"

  5. #5
    Rhonda Lea Kirk Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    kurt wismer wrote:

    > you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
    > ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
    > ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
    > whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
    > trust...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

    --
    Rhonda Lea Kirk

    Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
    willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay



  6. #6
    4Q Guest

    Re: Warning: Spyerase intentionally erases BugHunter from your machine

    Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
    > kurt wismer wrote:
    >
    > > you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
    > > ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
    > > ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
    > > whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
    > > trust...

    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale


    Yeah good one. They even made a hollywood movie about him "Catch me if
    you can". And let's not forget Kevin Mitnick is making a nice living
    out of his "bad-guy" past.

    Kurt Wismer is just an anal half-ass expert and can't except the fact
    that some of these so called "bay-guys" are very talented individuals
    with years of specilized skills that make them a valuable asset to the
    overall human knowledge contribution.

    Just look at Zombies, ZMist as an exmaple of a great contribution to
    knowledge. I know which guy I'd choose as senior technical consultant
    for a security company if my choice was Zombie or a techno numpty like
    Graham Cluely.


    4Q


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