kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:

> David H. Lipman wrote:
> [snip]
>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>> creators.
>
> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
> ex virus writers'...

The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
basis years ago with several Antivirus persons. I won't tell you who they
are, so you can either believe me or not. I only mentioned the fact I
corresponded with a few for the point I hope to make easy enough to
follow.

> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts you're going to have to
> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...

This is something that simply shouldn't be done. Seriously. Some persons
take vxers/exvxers very wrongly. Serious misunderstanding about the type
of persons we usually are. The antivirus companies of course make no
effort to change this public image. In some cases, the company itself may
not even be aware of ones online history, depending on how that person
chose to be. Some people are different online than they are in real life.
Others, like myself, Are the same online as we are in real life. I do not
maintain dual personalities etc, As a programmer, I'm lazy, and that's
just too damn time consuming. What you see is what you get with me.

Case in point, If I'm willing to tell you to go away or get ****ed
online, you can be rest assured regardless of how big or who you are, I'd
do the same in real life as well. I'm very upfront and to the point, it's
the way I was brought up. Some people consider this rude right off the
bat, even when I didn't intend to be.

I have known you for a very long time, and I do hold you in high respect,
but I wouldn't if I was David be able to provide evidence in this case,
not because their isn't any, but because those individuals activities
under their assumed identity should not become public knowledge with a
real name unless those authors choose to do so, like stormbringer and
myself.

Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
usenet poster is just to risky and immature. Nothing is really gained by
this. David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
rumour live.

In most cases, those involved in the antimalware side of things are not
actively coding viruses. If they're still even maintaining contact with
other Vxers, their time is spent writing/testing productive code.

Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

Rhonda,

I've read your comments lately discussing the matter, for some reason, it
almost looks like you and I agree. With your permission, I'd like to
email you and remove you from my killfile.





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Dustin Cook
Author of BugHunter - MalWare Removal Tool - V2.1
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Last updated: January 30th, 2007