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[Dustin Cook]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:65bwh.37882$uC6.8936@trnddc02:

> From: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com>
>
>| kurt wismer wrote:
>>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>>> creators.
>>>
>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers
>>> and/or ex virus writers'...
>>>
>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
>|
>| We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
>| Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
>| chance.
>|
>| How does that make for a conspiracy?
>|
>>> you're going to have to
>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
>|
>| How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
>| privacy?
>|
>
> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
> major source.

Indeed. I really don't know anyone in Vx who would design these lame
trojans. It's unthinkable!

I applaud you for not dropping names David. You are obviously entrusted
with the information you have, intended for no one except yourself.




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[Dustin Cook]

kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1@aioe.org:

> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: {someone in my killfile}
>> | kurt wismer wrote:
>>>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>>>> creators.
>>>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers
>>>> and/or ex virus writers'...
>>>>
>>>> if you're going to feed the conspiracy nuts
>> |
>> | We live in a society that believes strongly in rehabilitation.
>> | Therefore, when people turn over a new leaf, they're given another
>> | chance.
>> |
>> | How does that make for a conspiracy?
>> |
>>>> you're going to have to
>>>> pay the conspiracy tax so . . . names please...
>> |
>> | How does your desire to be in the know supersede another's right to
>> | privacy?
>
> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
> lies with the claimant...

Some of the proof you seek has already been made available to you. I'm
afraid in this case, I would be with David. You can either accept the
post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.

>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
>> major source.
>
> yeah, so about that burden...

No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
things aside from names, then ask.




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[Dustin Cook]

Jim Kitahara <jim.kitahara@NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote in
news:45C00DD9.1A36CFF8@NOSPAM.gmail.com:

> You couldn't answer ONE question that Cook gave you.
> Cook is honest about his past and his present.

Thank you for noticing. I really have tried to be as honest as possible
with everyone.

> The real world knows of your sins and misgivings. You will not
> deceive anybody but internet newbies.

And even then, not for long. Many antimalware sites have warnings
concerning PcButts. It's impossible for someone not to hit one of these
sites in his/her quest for a cure.


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[Laura Fredericks]

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:52:56 GMT, Dustin Cook
<spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote in post to 4Q:
>I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
>personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me
>for your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they
>won't think of me as low as some do now.

As long as you don't look like the late dwarf Simon (Snapper), i.e.
wear a huge purple scarf around your neck, and a stupid yellow hat.
;-)

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[kurt wismer]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:eps0gd$rdc$1@aioe.org:
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
[snip]
>> a claim was made, it's accuracy is in question, the burden of proof
>> lies with the claimant...
>
> Some of the proof you seek has already been made available to you.

no, actually, it hasn't...

> I'm
> afraid in this case, I would be with David. You can either accept the
> post David made, or not. Dropping names doesn't help anyone, and isn't
> worth proving someone right/wrong on usenet.

dropping names may not help anyone, but the claim that has been made
hurts the entire industry and hurts consumers... it feeds a rumor that
has no right to be unless it's true... do you think people will continue
to be as rational in their av decisions as they currently are if they
start believing rumors of such funny business behind the scenes in the
av industry? that's not to say that they are perfectly rational, of
course, but such rumors will almost certainly exacerbate their
irrationality...

since this isn't something that can be disproved, since you can't prove
a negative, the only way to fight the rumor is to challenge it... if the
rumor is true then it should be provable... if no one is willing to
prove it then that should count for something at least...

>>> The conspiracy is the misperception that the anti virus industry
>>> creates the malware to prop up the industry and keep themselves in
>>> business. They ignore the realities such as organized crime being a
>>> major source.
>> yeah, so about that burden...
>
> No burden. You either believe it or you don't. As I said, as 4Q continues
> to tell you, vx.netlux.org is your friend. If you still need to know
> things aside from names, then ask.

i considered responding to 4q but decided it would probably qualify as
feeding trolls... since you brought it up to i will say it here -
pointing to a domain does not satisfy the burden of proof in any way...
point to a *document* or don't waste my time, it's not my job to sift
through an entire domain looking for someone else's alleged proof...

--
"it's not the right time to be sober
now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

[kurt wismer]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:
>
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> BTW: There are *many* in the anti virus industry that were once
>>> creators.
>> which seemingly translates to 'av companies hire virus writers and/or
>> ex virus writers'...
>
> The antivirus industry as a whole is bigger than a few companies that are
> household names. While this might surprise you, I was on a first name
> basis years ago with several Antivirus persons.

surprise me? i was there! they called you by your first name and you
called them by theirs...

[snip]
> Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
> usenet poster is just to risky and immature.

if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
mistaken...

> Nothing is really gained by
> this.

not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...

> David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
> companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
> rumour live.

no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...

[snip]
> Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.

no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
or being described at all for that matter...

you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

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now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

[4Q]

Laura Fredericks wrote:
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> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:52:56 GMT, Dustin Cook
> <spamfilterineffect.see.sig@nowhere.com> wrote in post to 4Q:
> >I tell you what bro, since I rarely release photos or anything else
> >personal of that sort, I'll send you and Laura a recent pic of me
> >for your sites. Ok? Perhaps when people can link a face to me, they
> >won't think of me as low as some do now.

*sounds good*

>
> As long as you don't look like the late dwarf Simon (Snapper), i.e.
> wear a huge purple scarf around your neck, and a stupid yellow hat.
> ;-)

*sounds bad* *HAHAHAHA*

As some people will know I posted a picture of Raid on the 4Q site
many years ago... Raid saw it and laughed. "Yeah that's me" It was a
trailerpark bandit with a gun, but ya must admit loads of people
really thought it was *our* Raidy.

I posted a picture of John Buccanon (aka Aristotle of NuKE) and
painted a sniper rifle cross-hair on it... People laughed and said
"yeah that's how I imagined him to look... what trailerpark site did
you get this one from?" *Errrm* It's not a trailerpark guy, that his
real picture! *HAHAHAHA* Then I lost my coderz account for publishing
his mugshot!!! *grrrrr*

What people failed to realize is that John (Ari) gave me his photo's
and permission to print them on the 4Q site. Some people were too
quick to jump the gun and shoot me down.

Along with the Raid and Aristotle pics was another ugly mugshot for
Evul, the owner of Coderz.net (just how I imagined him)... Years
later Evul gave me his real mugshot complete with middle finger salute
*HAHAHAHAHA* What an ugly guy, looks like Trackers boyfriend 'Beef'
complete with prison tats *ROFL*

......

So what is Raidy gonna look like?
*laughing already*


4Q

[Laura Fredericks]

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On 1 Feb 2007 2203 -0800, "4Q" <paul_zest@hushmail.com> wrote in
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>So what is Raidy gonna look like?
>*laughing already*

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[4Q]

kurt wismer wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:epr8pe$847$1@aioe.org:
> >
> >> David H. Lipman wrote:
> >> [snip]

<snip>


> [snip]
> > Putting a persons job or his/her freedom at stake just to satisfy a
> > usenet poster is just to risky and immature.
>
> if you think this is just to satisfy my whims then you are gravely
> mistaken...

tough!

>
> > Nothing is really gained by
> > this.
>
> not true... if the claim is proven true then the ensuing lack of
> confidence in the av industry is justified... if not then there is no
> justification for it but it will happen all the same with such a rumor
> picking up steam from people considered to be authorities on the subject...

Lack of confidence!

Rob Rosenberger has been informing people about the AV addiction scam
for years, yet people haven't lost their confidence in the av ripoff
industry yet. Nothing is going to convince the ignorant punters how
much they are being duped by this money making cartel. For ****s sake
people are still being taken in with the "you are protected from
100,000+ virus" ****! because people can't make reasonable risk
assessment of the real problems when they have fat av marketing clowns
like Graham Cluely hyping things to the max.

99% of that virus database can be dismissed right away... Let them
dare tell the truth, their share holders won't let them. ;]]




>
> > David's comments do not extend the silly notion that antivirus
> > companies make the viruses. Plain old fashioned, stupidity lets that
> > rumour live.

*Hahaha* Do you know how the AV industry get a lot of their samples?
>From the virus traders, who get them from the creators... indirect
links anyone *LOL*

>
> no, no, not that they make viruses, but that they reward virus
> writers... just as john mcafee paying for viruses rewarded virus
> writers, other av vendors hiring them also rewards them...
>
> [snip]
> > Vxers can't really be described simply Kurt, it's not black and white.
>
> no part of my argument has been based on vx'ers being easy to describe,
> or being described at all for that matter...
>
> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire ex-virus-writers
> to work on anti-virus products... it's not about whether they're really
> reformed or not, it's about perception and trust...

Kurt this example makes you look like a stupid ****. You've already
libeled Benny by calling him a reformed bad-guy. You could hardly make
the analogy that a talented programmer with an interest in security
and proof of concept like Benny is the likes of some mental ex-
arsonist.

*you silly ********


4Q

[Rhonda Lea Kirk]

kurt wismer wrote:

> you don't hire ex-arsonists to be firemen, you don't hire
> ex-bank-robbers to be bank managers, and you don't hire
> ex-virus-writers to work on anti-virus products... it's not about
> whether they're really reformed or not, it's about perception and
> trust...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

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