NICK - CPU usage with SAS - problem

[pcbutts1]

Yes I am running real-time Spyware software, it's my own product however I
will not give the name of it in this group, there are way too many trolls
who don't like me.


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"louise" <louise@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4t9pn1F130pleU1@mid.individual.net...
> pcbutts1 wrote:
>> Yes it was in real-time on a Gateway Laptop using wireless to a linksys
>> router XP MCE SP2.
>>
> And mine is on a Thinkpad.
>
> Mine is even more telling in that it runs flawlessly on my desktop (P4,
> 3.2, 2 gig of ram etc). The desktop is wired to the router while the
> laptop is wireless. On the desktop, average cpu usage is 0 to 02 unless
> loading a webpage or something like that. Resource use is minimal on the
> desktop and throught the roof on the laptop.
>
> Are you running a real time spyware program now on your laptop? What are
> you using?
>
> Louise

[Andy Walker]

pcbutts1 wrote:

>Yes I am running real-time Spyware software, it's my own product however I
>will not give the name of it in this group, there are way too many trolls
>who don't like me.

All your supportors(tans) remain mute on the subject of your veracity,
butts. Why is that?

[Ron Lopshire]

louise wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> "Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1fd3afd4299f9be7989ed6@news.readfreenews. net...
>>
>>> Rick wrote
>>>
>>>> One way to approach it is to look and see who they are talking to. You
>>>> might try grabbing a copy of TCPView from Sysinternals (which has since
>>>> been absorbed by Microsoft at http://************/y82msb ) and have
>>>> it set
>>>> to autostart. Then watch for your svchost connections and use whois
>>>> to find
>>>> out who it is talking to.
>>>>
>>>> Off the top of my head, I suspect you will find that it is
>>>> Microsoft's WGA
>>>> program module that phones home shortly after booting up a Windows XP
>>>> system. Try going here:
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
>>>>
>>>> for more info.
>>>>
>>> XP-AntiSpy is very useful for turning off unwanted M$ crap
>>> http://www.xp-antispy.org/
>>> Makes it easy to turn parts of it back on for M$ Update. Allegedly.
>>> Version 3.96-4 has recently appeared and stops automatic install of IE7
>>> which is causing problems for many.
>>
>> WGA certainly took it's toll on my resources. Decided to stick with it
>> rather than wind back the system to ease the pain of update.
>>
>> The IE7 install seems to have slowed down the PC as well but IE7
>> itself seems to run OK.
>>
>> Time to start working our what is driving SVCHOST sessions. Thanks again,
>>
> I'm sorry to report that I have tried everything I can think of -
> particularly everything that is different about my portable than my
> desktop (where SAS doesn't drain resources).
>
> Windows update is, and has been, disabled.
> I turned off Windows firewall - seemed to have no effect.
>
> I just spent the last hour using Process Explorer and suspending each
> process to see if it reduced CPU use by SAS and the excessive
> fluctuations. I could not find a process that stopped the cpu jumping
> to 40+ usage, then to 12% and right back to 40 something % - sometimes
> into the 50s.
>
> Whatever this process is, it is happening literally every one or two
> seconds - back and forth.
>
> And, as noted before, it doesn't happen on my desktop.
>
> If anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be happy to try them as I'm
> really very disappointed to find SAS unusable on my portable - the
> machine that is, in fact, much more vulnerable because of the traveling
> it does and the various wireless connections I make while traveling.
>
> Is there a more thorough way to track this down?

Louise,

I don't know, but I would look at 1) XP Services and 2) hibernation.
ISTR laptops having problems where a desktop does not due to battery
saving measures.

XP Services --- are these the same on both systems?

http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp
http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm

You disabled Windows Update, but did you disable BITS?

Resume from Hibernate or Standby in Seconds

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...astresume.mspx

You can Google for other articles on laptop hibernation problems.

FWIW, I use SAS real-time with KAV 6 (I am currently evaluating AVS),
and I rarely even know that either one is installed and enabled. I did
disable all unnecessary XP services using Torsten Mann's batch file.

Ron

[louise]

Ron Lopshire wrote:
> louise wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> "Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.1fd3afd4299f9be7989ed6@news.readfreenews. net...
>>>
>>>> Rick wrote
>>>>
>>>>> One way to approach it is to look and see who they are talking to.
>>>>> You
>>>>> might try grabbing a copy of TCPView from Sysinternals (which has
>>>>> since
>>>>> been absorbed by Microsoft at http://************/y82msb ) and have
>>>>> it set
>>>>> to autostart. Then watch for your svchost connections and use whois
>>>>> to find
>>>>> out who it is talking to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Off the top of my head, I suspect you will find that it is
>>>>> Microsoft's WGA
>>>>> program module that phones home shortly after booting up a Windows XP
>>>>> system. Try going here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
>>>>>
>>>>> for more info.
>>>>>
>>>> XP-AntiSpy is very useful for turning off unwanted M$ crap
>>>> http://www.xp-antispy.org/
>>>> Makes it easy to turn parts of it back on for M$ Update. Allegedly.
>>>> Version 3.96-4 has recently appeared and stops automatic install of IE7
>>>> which is causing problems for many.
>>>
>>> WGA certainly took it's toll on my resources. Decided to stick with
>>> it rather than wind back the system to ease the pain of update.
>>>
>>> The IE7 install seems to have slowed down the PC as well but IE7
>>> itself seems to run OK.
>>>
>>> Time to start working our what is driving SVCHOST sessions. Thanks
>>> again,
>>>
>> I'm sorry to report that I have tried everything I can think of -
>> particularly everything that is different about my portable than my
>> desktop (where SAS doesn't drain resources).
>>
>> Windows update is, and has been, disabled.
>> I turned off Windows firewall - seemed to have no effect.
>>
>> I just spent the last hour using Process Explorer and suspending each
>> process to see if it reduced CPU use by SAS and the excessive
>> fluctuations. I could not find a process that stopped the cpu jumping
>> to 40+ usage, then to 12% and right back to 40 something % - sometimes
>> into the 50s.
>>
>> Whatever this process is, it is happening literally every one or two
>> seconds - back and forth.
>>
>> And, as noted before, it doesn't happen on my desktop.
>>
>> If anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be happy to try them as I'm
>> really very disappointed to find SAS unusable on my portable - the
>> machine that is, in fact, much more vulnerable because of the
>> traveling it does and the various wireless connections I make while
>> traveling.
>>
>> Is there a more thorough way to track this down?
>
> Louise,
>
> I don't know, but I would look at 1) XP Services and 2) hibernation.
> ISTR laptops having problems where a desktop does not due to battery
> saving measures.
>
> XP Services --- are these the same on both systems?
>
> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
> http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp
> http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
>
> You disabled Windows Update, but did you disable BITS?
>
> Resume from Hibernate or Standby in Seconds
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...astresume.mspx
>
> You can Google for other articles on laptop hibernation problems.
>
> FWIW, I use SAS real-time with KAV 6 (I am currently evaluating AVS),
> and I rarely even know that either one is installed and enabled. I did
> disable all unnecessary XP services using Torsten Mann's batch file.
>
> Ron

Thanks for the suggestion

I have BITS set to manual on both my desktop and the
portable (Thinkpad X40).

I'm running SAS and NOD32 on my desktop and SAS tends to
use about 2% or less of the cpu resources. So, I have
reason to assume that BITS set to manual is ok.

I'm running NOD32 on my Thinkpad and after installing SAS on
the portable, it was using as much as 50% of the cpu
resources. I've reluctantly uninstalled it at the moment.

Both machines have BITS set to manual and windows update
disabled.

I installed a trial version of AVG AntiSpyware on my
portable and it is using an average of about 2% of
resources, as it should.

But I wish I could get SAS to work properly - I believe it
to be superior to AVG AntiSpyware.

Do you have any other thoughts? It's very odd.

Louise

[Ron Lopshire]

louise wrote:
> Ron Lopshire wrote:
>
>> louise wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry to report that I have tried everything I can think of -
>>> particularly everything that is different about my portable than my
>>> desktop (where SAS doesn't drain resources).
>>>
>>> Windows update is, and has been, disabled.
>>> I turned off Windows firewall - seemed to have no effect.
>>>
>>> I just spent the last hour using Process Explorer and suspending each
>>> process to see if it reduced CPU use by SAS and the excessive
>>> fluctuations. I could not find a process that stopped the cpu
>>> jumping to 40+ usage, then to 12% and right back to 40 something % -
>>> sometimes into the 50s.
>>>
>>> Whatever this process is, it is happening literally every one or two
>>> seconds - back and forth.
>>>
>>> And, as noted before, it doesn't happen on my desktop.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be happy to try them as I'm
>>> really very disappointed to find SAS unusable on my portable - the
>>> machine that is, in fact, much more vulnerable because of the
>>> traveling it does and the various wireless connections I make while
>>> traveling.
>>
>> I don't know, but I would look at 1) XP Services and 2) hibernation.
>> ISTR laptops having problems where a desktop does not due to battery
>> saving measures.
>>
>> XP Services --- are these the same on both systems?
>>
>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>> http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp
>> http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
>>
>> You disabled Windows Update, but did you disable BITS?
>>
>> Resume from Hibernate or Standby in Seconds
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...astresume.mspx
>>
>> You can Google for other articles on laptop hibernation problems.
>
> I have BITS set to manual on both my desktop and the portable (Thinkpad
> X40).
>
> I'm running SAS and NOD32 on my desktop and SAS tends to use about 2%
> or less of the cpu resources. So, I have reason to assume that BITS set
> to manual is ok.
>
> I'm running NOD32 on my Thinkpad and after installing SAS on the
> portable, it was using as much as 50% of the cpu resources. I've
> reluctantly uninstalled it at the moment.
>
> Both machines have BITS set to manual and windows update disabled.
>
> I installed a trial version of AVG AntiSpyware on my portable and it is
> using an average of about 2% of resources, as it should.
>
> But I wish I could get SAS to work properly - I believe it to be
> superior to AVG AntiSpyware.
>
> Do you have any other thoughts? It's very odd.

Odd indeed. Have you tried Process Monitor? Mark and Bryce combined
FileMon and RegMon into a new utility called Process Monitor. A nice
complement to Process Explorer. It is not for the faint of heart. [grin]

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...ssmonitor.mspx
Short Version: http://************/yeu8vs

You can use it to log the activity of specific processes and
applications. You could compare the output logs of both your desktop
and laptop. Perhaps there is some hidden process going on with the
Thinkpad. On my WinXP box, there is a lot of SAS activity, but
virtually no CPU usage.

I find it hard to believe that SAS is the only app in the world that
would be affected by your Thinkpad setup. Even if you decide not to
use SAS real-time, it would be nice to get a handle on what is going
on with your laptop.

Ron

[Dustin Cook]

louise <louise@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:4tf72uF143cglU1@mid.individual.net:

> Ron Lopshire wrote:
>> louise wrote:
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.1fd3afd4299f9be7989ed6@news.readfreenews. net...
>>>>
>>>>> Rick wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> One way to approach it is to look and see who they are talking
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> might try grabbing a copy of TCPView from Sysinternals (which has
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> been absorbed by Microsoft at http://************/y82msb ) and
>>>>>> have it set
>>>>>> to autostart. Then watch for your svchost connections and use
>>>>>> whois to find
>>>>>> out who it is talking to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off the top of my head, I suspect you will find that it is
>>>>>> Microsoft's WGA
>>>>>> program module that phones home shortly after booting up a
>>>>>> Windows XP system. Try going here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for more info.
>>>>>>
>>>>> XP-AntiSpy is very useful for turning off unwanted M$ crap
>>>>> http://www.xp-antispy.org/
>>>>> Makes it easy to turn parts of it back on for M$ Update.
>>>>> Allegedly. Version 3.96-4 has recently appeared and stops
>>>>> automatic install of IE7 which is causing problems for many.
>>>>
>>>> WGA certainly took it's toll on my resources. Decided to stick with
>>>> it rather than wind back the system to ease the pain of update.
>>>>
>>>> The IE7 install seems to have slowed down the PC as well but IE7
>>>> itself seems to run OK.
>>>>
>>>> Time to start working our what is driving SVCHOST sessions. Thanks
>>>> again,
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry to report that I have tried everything I can think of -
>>> particularly everything that is different about my portable than my
>>> desktop (where SAS doesn't drain resources).
>>>
>>> Windows update is, and has been, disabled.
>>> I turned off Windows firewall - seemed to have no effect.
>>>
>>> I just spent the last hour using Process Explorer and suspending
>>> each process to see if it reduced CPU use by SAS and the excessive
>>> fluctuations. I could not find a process that stopped the cpu
>>> jumping to 40+ usage, then to 12% and right back to 40 something % -
>>> sometimes into the 50s.
>>>
>>> Whatever this process is, it is happening literally every one or two
>>> seconds - back and forth.
>>>
>>> And, as noted before, it doesn't happen on my desktop.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be happy to try them as
>>> I'm really very disappointed to find SAS unusable on my portable -
>>> the machine that is, in fact, much more vulnerable because of the
>>> traveling it does and the various wireless connections I make while
>>> traveling.
>>>
>>> Is there a more thorough way to track this down?
>>
>> Louise,
>>
>> I don't know, but I would look at 1) XP Services and 2) hibernation.
>> ISTR laptops having problems where a desktop does not due to battery
>> saving measures.
>>
>> XP Services --- are these the same on both systems?
>>
>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>> http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp
>> http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
>>
>> You disabled Windows Update, but did you disable BITS?
>>
>> Resume from Hibernate or Standby in Seconds
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e.../fastresume.ms
>> px
>>
>> You can Google for other articles on laptop hibernation problems.
>>
>> FWIW, I use SAS real-time with KAV 6 (I am currently evaluating AVS),
>> and I rarely even know that either one is installed and enabled. I
>> did disable all unnecessary XP services using Torsten Mann's batch
>> file.
>>
>> Ron
>
> Thanks for the suggestion
>
> I have BITS set to manual on both my desktop and the
> portable (Thinkpad X40).
>
> I'm running SAS and NOD32 on my desktop and SAS tends to
> use about 2% or less of the cpu resources. So, I have
> reason to assume that BITS set to manual is ok.
>
> I'm running NOD32 on my Thinkpad and after installing SAS on
> the portable, it was using as much as 50% of the cpu
> resources. I've reluctantly uninstalled it at the moment.
>
> Both machines have BITS set to manual and windows update
> disabled.
>
> I installed a trial version of AVG AntiSpyware on my
> portable and it is using an average of about 2% of
> resources, as it should.
>
> But I wish I could get SAS to work properly - I believe it
> to be superior to AVG AntiSpyware.
>
> Do you have any other thoughts? It's very odd.
>
> Louise

Were you ever able to correct this?


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[louise]

Dustin Cook wrote:
> louise <louise@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:4tf72uF143cglU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Ron Lopshire wrote:
>>> louise wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.1fd3afd4299f9be7989ed6@news.readfreenews. net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One way to approach it is to look and see who they are talking
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> might try grabbing a copy of TCPView from Sysinternals (which has
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> been absorbed by Microsoft at http://************/y82msb ) and
>>>>>>> have it set
>>>>>>> to autostart. Then watch for your svchost connections and use
>>>>>>> whois to find
>>>>>>> out who it is talking to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Off the top of my head, I suspect you will find that it is
>>>>>>> Microsoft's WGA
>>>>>>> program module that phones home shortly after booting up a
>>>>>>> Windows XP system. Try going here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for more info.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP-AntiSpy is very useful for turning off unwanted M$ crap
>>>>>> http://www.xp-antispy.org/
>>>>>> Makes it easy to turn parts of it back on for M$ Update.
>>>>>> Allegedly. Version 3.96-4 has recently appeared and stops
>>>>>> automatic install of IE7 which is causing problems for many.
>>>>> WGA certainly took it's toll on my resources. Decided to stick with
>>>>> it rather than wind back the system to ease the pain of update.
>>>>>
>>>>> The IE7 install seems to have slowed down the PC as well but IE7
>>>>> itself seems to run OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to start working our what is driving SVCHOST sessions. Thanks
>>>>> again,
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to report that I have tried everything I can think of -
>>>> particularly everything that is different about my portable than my
>>>> desktop (where SAS doesn't drain resources).
>>>>
>>>> Windows update is, and has been, disabled.
>>>> I turned off Windows firewall - seemed to have no effect.
>>>>
>>>> I just spent the last hour using Process Explorer and suspending
>>>> each process to see if it reduced CPU use by SAS and the excessive
>>>> fluctuations. I could not find a process that stopped the cpu
>>>> jumping to 40+ usage, then to 12% and right back to 40 something % -
>>>> sometimes into the 50s.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever this process is, it is happening literally every one or two
>>>> seconds - back and forth.
>>>>
>>>> And, as noted before, it doesn't happen on my desktop.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any other suggestions, I'll be happy to try them as
>>>> I'm really very disappointed to find SAS unusable on my portable -
>>>> the machine that is, in fact, much more vulnerable because of the
>>>> traveling it does and the various wireless connections I make while
>>>> traveling.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a more thorough way to track this down?
>>> Louise,
>>>
>>> I don't know, but I would look at 1) XP Services and 2) hibernation.
>>> ISTR laptops having problems where a desktop does not due to battery
>>> saving measures.
>>>
>>> XP Services --- are these the same on both systems?
>>>
>>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>>> http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_un..._on_windows_xp
>>> http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm
>>>
>>> You disabled Windows Update, but did you disable BITS?
>>>
>>> Resume from Hibernate or Standby in Seconds
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e.../fastresume.ms
>>> px
>>>
>>> You can Google for other articles on laptop hibernation problems.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I use SAS real-time with KAV 6 (I am currently evaluating AVS),
>>> and I rarely even know that either one is installed and enabled. I
>>> did disable all unnecessary XP services using Torsten Mann's batch
>>> file.
>>>
>>> Ron
>> Thanks for the suggestion
>>
>> I have BITS set to manual on both my desktop and the
>> portable (Thinkpad X40).
>>
>> I'm running SAS and NOD32 on my desktop and SAS tends to
>> use about 2% or less of the cpu resources. So, I have
>> reason to assume that BITS set to manual is ok.
>>
>> I'm running NOD32 on my Thinkpad and after installing SAS on
>> the portable, it was using as much as 50% of the cpu
>> resources. I've reluctantly uninstalled it at the moment.
>>
>> Both machines have BITS set to manual and windows update
>> disabled.
>>
>> I installed a trial version of AVG AntiSpyware on my
>> portable and it is using an average of about 2% of
>> resources, as it should.
>>
>> But I wish I could get SAS to work properly - I believe it
>> to be superior to AVG AntiSpyware.
>>
>> Do you have any other thoughts? It's very odd.
>>
>> Louise
>
> Were you ever able to correct this?
>
>
No - I wasn't able to correct it. I ended up installing AVG
anti spyware on my portable and its usage is minimal.

Meanwhile, SAS continues to work fine on my desktop - both
using Win XP Pro and similarly configured.

Louise