Re: Comodo Malware ?

[cmsix]

"Andy Walker" <awalker@nspank.invalid> wrote in message
news:7dnrh21bre8kd2q2rgdh1dgrjeq1f3l6vc@news.webtv .com...
> melih@COMODOGROUP.COM wrote:
>
>>
>>Andy Walker wrote:
>>> melih@COMODOGROUP.COM wrote:
>>>
>>> >This is the umptheen time but here we go again :-)
>>> >
>>> >Launchpad's purpose: To show what other products were available
>>> >from
>>> >Comodo.
>>> >Replacement: Nothing... you have to go our website to find out
>>> >what
>>> >products available.
>>> >
>>> >Melih
>>>
>>> Do you think that having adware in your product has heart your
>>> business reputation?
>>
>>The answer is no, because we never had adware in our product!
>>
>>Melih
>
> The way I see it; any product specifically designed to advertise
> products is adware. You obviously decided it was better to remove
> the
> adware, which is a good thing, but for those who have never used
> your
> products (I'm one of them) the stain of that initial bad decision is
> bad for your business. I had hoped you would have realized that and
> acknowledge it as a mistake.

So, I'm assuming you don't use Google, or any of their products, since
they advertise everywhere.


cmsix

[kurt wismer]

Far Canal wrote:
> kurt wismer wrote
> > Andy Walker wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > The way I see it; any product specifically designed to advertise
> > > products is adware.
> >
> > i would tend to agree, more or less... my feeling is that a good
> > functional definition for adware is software that displays ads for
> > something other than itself...
>
> That definition works for me.
>
> > that said, i'm also aware that most people don't use the term that
> > way... most only bother with the label at all when the software also
> > has trojan properties...
>
> Adware with trojans are trojans (or viruses)

yes, i would classify them as trojans too... but to be more specific i
would call them adware trojans...

i'm just making a distinction between the more benign ad-displaying
software and the stuff that security tools go after... for example, a
lot of people were uncomfortable calling earlier free versions of the
opera browser 'adware' even though it was ad supported...

[BJ Honeycut]

On Sat 30 Sep 2006 12:38:19p, "cmsix" <cmsix@storiesonline.org> took the
time to tell us all in news:%3xTg.457$NE6.417@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:

>
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:efktep$gcs$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> Andy Walker wrote:
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy Walker wrote:
>>>>> melih@COMODOGROUP.COM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the umptheen time but here we go again :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Launchpad's purpose: To show what other products were available
>>>>>> from Comodo.
>>>>>> Replacement: Nothing... you have to go our website to find out
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> products available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melih
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that having adware in your product has heart your
>>>>> business reputation?
>>>>
>>>> Comodo has never had adware in their product.
>>>
>>> From my perspective they did.
>>>
>>>> And Comodo's reputation improves all the time, because Melih
>>>> listens
>>>> to his users. Every time an issue arises, he's there to deal with
>>>> it. You don't see too many other company heads taking the time and
>>>> making the effort he does to keep his customers happy.
>>>
>>> I'm not disputing that at all. What I'm saying is that the
>>> Launchpad
>>> addition to their product did more harm to them the they are
>>> apparently willing to admit. There have been enough testimonials to
>>> satisfy me that Comodo has very good products, but if they can't
>>> admit
>>> to making a mistake with Launchpad, that just puts me (and I would
>>> suspect many other people) off.
>>
>> I think perhaps you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>
>> I didn't like the LaunchPad. I thought it was a pain in the ass, and
>> I stopped using the associated product as a result. Still, the
>> product I continue to use (one for which I have paid), is excellent.
>> And the free products just continue to get better.
>>
>> If one removes a feature, I'd say that's a pretty substantive
>> admission that it was not a good feature. Were you hoping for a
>> press release and a mea culpa? If so, I think you're asking too
>> much.
>>
>> I'm really more interested in the fact that Comodo listens to the
>> users of its (free) products and accomodates their needs. Positive
>> action speaks a whole lot more loudly than apologies, IMO.
>
> You mean to tell me that all that pissing and moaning he's been doing
> was about a free version? Surely you jest?
>
> cmsix
>
>>
>> --
>> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>>
>> Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
>> willing to inflict on others. Phhdre ns Delaunay
>>
>

Yes, virginia, there are poor people in the world...(-P

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

[BJ Honeycut]

On Sat 30 Sep 2006 01:08:56p, "kurt wismer" <kurtw@sympatico.ca> took the
time to tell us all in
news:1159636136.471139.52960@b28g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com:

> Far Canal wrote:
>> kurt wismer wrote
>> > Andy Walker wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> > > The way I see it; any product specifically designed to advertise
>> > > products is adware.
>> >
>> > i would tend to agree, more or less... my feeling is that a good
>> > functional definition for adware is software that displays ads for
>> > something other than itself...
>>
>> That definition works for me.
>>
>> > that said, i'm also aware that most people don't use the term that
>> > way... most only bother with the label at all when the software also
>> > has trojan properties...
>>
>> Adware with trojans are trojans (or viruses)
>
> yes, i would classify them as trojans too... but to be more specific i
> would call them adware trojans...
>
> i'm just making a distinction between the more benign ad-displaying
> software and the stuff that security tools go after... for example, a
> lot of people were uncomfortable calling earlier free versions of the
> opera browser 'adware' even though it was ad supported...
>
>

Easily remedied by two hosts entries, but they now offer it ad-free. lest
one think he gets less baggage without ads, did you see the early Mozillla
releases? Lots of great crap for developers, but...and still no spyware on
either browser (I think Opera allowed one to type in preferences, but it
wasn't required. If you think that is invasive you haven't really loooked
at Micros**t products in a while, huh?

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

[cmsix]

"BJ Honeycut" <freak@dontGoThere.us.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns984E89A4C1B4Cvincentvangogh@130.81.64.196. ..
> On Sat 30 Sep 2006 12:38:19p, "cmsix" <cmsix@storiesonline.org> took
> the
> time to tell us all in
> news:%3xTg.457$NE6.417@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
>
>>
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:efktep$gcs$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>> Andy Walker wrote:
>>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andy Walker wrote:
>>>>>> melih@COMODOGROUP.COM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the umptheen time but here we go again :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Launchpad's purpose: To show what other products were
>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>> from Comodo.
>>>>>>> Replacement: Nothing... you have to go our website to find out
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> products available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Melih
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think that having adware in your product has heart your
>>>>>> business reputation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comodo has never had adware in their product.
>>>>
>>>> From my perspective they did.
>>>>
>>>>> And Comodo's reputation improves all the time, because Melih
>>>>> listens
>>>>> to his users. Every time an issue arises, he's there to deal
>>>>> with
>>>>> it. You don't see too many other company heads taking the time
>>>>> and
>>>>> making the effort he does to keep his customers happy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not disputing that at all. What I'm saying is that the
>>>> Launchpad
>>>> addition to their product did more harm to them the they are
>>>> apparently willing to admit. There have been enough testimonials
>>>> to
>>>> satisfy me that Comodo has very good products, but if they can't
>>>> admit
>>>> to making a mistake with Launchpad, that just puts me (and I
>>>> would
>>>> suspect many other people) off.
>>>
>>> I think perhaps you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>>
>>> I didn't like the LaunchPad. I thought it was a pain in the ass,
>>> and
>>> I stopped using the associated product as a result. Still, the
>>> product I continue to use (one for which I have paid), is
>>> excellent.
>>> And the free products just continue to get better.
>>>
>>> If one removes a feature, I'd say that's a pretty substantive
>>> admission that it was not a good feature. Were you hoping for a
>>> press release and a mea culpa? If so, I think you're asking too
>>> much.
>>>
>>> I'm really more interested in the fact that Comodo listens to the
>>> users of its (free) products and accomodates their needs. Positive
>>> action speaks a whole lot more loudly than apologies, IMO.
>>
>> You mean to tell me that all that pissing and moaning he's been
>> doing
>> was about a free version? Surely you jest?
>>
>> cmsix
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk
>>>
>>> Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
>>> willing to inflict on others. Phhdre ns Delaunay
>>>
>>
>
> Yes, virginia, there are poor people in the world...(-P

And to think, some of them even ***** about a free meal if it comes
with advertising attached.

cmsix

>
> --
> "Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
> it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
> Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.
>
> Mike

[cmsix]

"Far Canal" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f88b6465f1f4f3d989c02@news.readfreenews. net...
> cmsix wrote
>
>>
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk" <rhondalea@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:efktep$gcs$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>> > Andy Walker wrote:
>> >> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Andy Walker wrote:
>> >>>> melih@COMODOGROUP.COM wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> This is the umptheen time but here we go again :-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Launchpad's purpose: To show what other products were
>> >>>>> available
>> >>>>> from Comodo.
>> >>>>> Replacement: Nothing... you have to go our website to find
>> >>>>> out
>> >>>>> what
>> >>>>> products available.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Melih
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do you think that having adware in your product has heart your
>> >>>> business reputation?
>> >>>
>> >>> Comodo has never had adware in their product.
>> >>
>> >> From my perspective they did.
>> >>
>> >>> And Comodo's reputation improves all the time, because Melih
>> >>> listens
>> >>> to his users. Every time an issue arises, he's there to deal
>> >>> with
>> >>> it. You don't see too many other company heads taking the time
>> >>> and
>> >>> making the effort he does to keep his customers happy.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not disputing that at all. What I'm saying is that the
>> >> Launchpad
>> >> addition to their product did more harm to them the they are
>> >> apparently willing to admit. There have been enough testimonials
>> >> to
>> >> satisfy me that Comodo has very good products, but if they can't
>> >> admit
>> >> to making a mistake with Launchpad, that just puts me (and I
>> >> would
>> >> suspect many other people) off.
>> >
>> > I think perhaps you are making a mountain out of a molehill.
>> >
>> > I didn't like the LaunchPad. I thought it was a pain in the ass,
>> > and
>> > I stopped using the associated product as a result. Still, the
>> > product I continue to use (one for which I have paid), is
>> > excellent.
>> > And the free products just continue to get better.
>> >
>> > If one removes a feature, I'd say that's a pretty substantive
>> > admission that it was not a good feature. Were you hoping for a
>> > press release and a mea culpa? If so, I think you're asking too
>> > much.
>> >
>> > I'm really more interested in the fact that Comodo listens to the
>> > users of its (free) products and accomodates their needs.
>> > Positive
>> > action speaks a whole lot more loudly than apologies, IMO.
>>
>> You mean to tell me that all that pissing and moaning he's been
>> doing
>> was about a free version? Surely you jest?
>>
>
> Any doubt I had about you being a complete ****wit has been removed.
>
> Take your trolling elsewhere.

Make me turd head, you can eat **** and die for all I care. Being
called a troll by a dumbass like you is an honor. I don't really give
a **** about your doubts, tend to them alone at night, under your
covers and using your tweezers.

cmsix

>
>
>

[David H. Lipman]

From: "cmsix" <cmsix@storiesonline.org>


|
| And to think, some of them even ***** about a free meal if it comes
| with advertising attached.
|
| cmsix
|

After reading this thread all that comes to mind is Kaspersky's partnership with AOL which
puts an adware toolbar into the package. However, as Art Kopp's tests show, this can easily
NOT be installed and the software works great (according to Art Kopp and others).

This partnership and bundling has'nt hurt Kaspersky !

I'm sure the Beta version of Comodo AV will overide any/all doubts.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

[Far Canal]

<cmsix@storiesonline.org> wrote

> Make me turd head, you can eat **** and die for all I care. Being
> called a troll by a dumbass like you is an honor. I don't really give
> a **** about your doubts, tend to them alone at night, under your
> covers and using your tweezers.
>

You learn your language here eh
http://storiesonline.net/

Bwaaaaaaaaaa

[Kadaitcha Man]

cmsix <cmsix@storiesonline.org>, the carpet beater, prattled:

> Make me turd head, you can eat **** and die for all I care. Being
> called a troll by a dumbass like you is an honor. I don't really give
> a **** about your doubts, tend to them alone at night, under your
> covers and using your tweezers.

You have head-up-arse syndrome.



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September 2005 and April 2006

"K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour,
but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably
well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering
maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion

Thou stuffed cloakbag of guts. Thou'll yield the crow a pudding one of
these days.

[Garrot]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 2331 -0400, Andy Walker wrote:

>I had hoped you would have realized that and
> acknowledge it as a mistake.

Well, duh, one would think the fact they removed launchpad from the product
supports that they ackowledge a mistake was made. The product is free, give
the guy a freakin' break!