Cookies that are auto-restoring after deletion

[slate_leeper]

Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers

Thu Mar 31, 5:14 PM ET


United Virtualities is offering online marketers and publishers
technology that attempts to undermine the growing trend among
consumers to delete cookies planted in their computers.

The New York company on Thursday unveiled what it calls PIE, or
persistent identification element, a technology that's uploaded to a
browser and restores deleted cookies. In addition, PIE, which can't be
easily removed, can also act as a cookie backup, since it contains the
same information.

http://************/6pfct (Yahoo news)

Sounds like spyware to me! Who is making a blocker/remover for this
one?


-dan z-


"(9/11 and the aftermath will) require a re-evaluation of the importance of
some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates
about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of
freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask
for your ID just because you're walking down the street."
-- Democrat Howard Dean after 9/11

[Steppy]

slate_leeper wrote:
> Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers
>
> Thu Mar 31, 5:14 PM ET
>
>
> United Virtualities is offering online marketers and publishers
> technology that attempts to undermine the growing trend among
> consumers to delete cookies planted in their computers.
>
> http://************/6pfct (Yahoo news)
>
> Sounds like spyware to me! Who is making a blocker/remover for this
> one?
>
>
Just turn off Flash, a good idea anyway, or get No!Flash, from
http://noflash.bbshare.com/ which blocks Flash but allows you to turn it on
from the tray if you need it.

[CalamityKen]

Homer.Simpson wrote:
> slate_leeper said
>
>> Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers
>
>> http://************/6pfct (Yahoo news)
>
> LOL, thanks for the link. This line made the entire article worth
> reading:
>
> "Mookie Tanembaum, founder and chief executive of United Virtualities,
> says the company is trying to help consumers by preventing them from
> deleting cookies that help website operators deliver better services."
>
> hahahahahahahahaha..... how can he say this with a straight face? ;-D

I would like to see Jean Cretien say it.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/director...tien_gifts.asp
--
YoKenny
Keep your Security software up to date at CoU
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[pixi]

I have a very persistent cookie. I delete it and it is back almost
immediately. Sometimes it is back 3 times.

Why isn't this sort of thing outlawed. Our privacy in most areas is going
down the tubes.

A little off topic.. Are you by chance descended from James Leeper of
Washington and York Cos. PA. He lived at the time of the Revolution.
"slate_leeper" <bycy-r0bj@spamex.com> wrote in message
news:fo4r415inht3in9uvs2kqhii3promp35b1@4ax.com...
> Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers
>
> Thu Mar 31, 5:14 PM ET
>
>
> United Virtualities is offering online marketers and publishers
> technology that attempts to undermine the growing trend among
> consumers to delete cookies planted in their computers.
>
> The New York company on Thursday unveiled what it calls PIE, or
> persistent identification element, a technology that's uploaded to a
> browser and restores deleted cookies. In addition, PIE, which can't be
> easily removed, can also act as a cookie backup, since it contains the
> same information.
>
> http://************/6pfct (Yahoo news)
>
> Sounds like spyware to me! Who is making a blocker/remover for this
> one?
>
>
> -dan z-
>
>
> "(9/11 and the aftermath will) require a re-evaluation of the importance
of
> some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be
debates
> about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of
> freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask
> for your ID just because you're walking down the street."
> -- Democrat Howard Dean after 9/11

[Babel17delany]

I have tried to find the settings manager in Flash to modify the
settings, but I can't figure out how to find it. I have a Macromedia
folder in Program Files and in Documents & Settings, but nothing that I
click opens up a program. Any advice on how to open up the Flash Player
to access the Settings Manager ?

slate_leeper wrote:
> Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers
>
> Thu Mar 31, 5:14 PM ET
>
>
> United Virtualities is offering online marketers and publishers
> technology that attempts to undermine the growing trend among
> consumers to delete cookies planted in their computers.
>
> The New York company on Thursday unveiled what it calls PIE, or
> persistent identification element, a technology that's uploaded to a
> browser and restores deleted cookies. In addition, PIE, which can't be
> easily removed, can also act as a cookie backup, since it contains the
> same information.
>
> http://************/6pfct (Yahoo news)
>
> Sounds like spyware to me! Who is making a blocker/remover for this
> one?
>
>
> -dan z-
>
>
> "(9/11 and the aftermath will) require a re-evaluation of the importance of
> some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates
> about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of
> freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask
> for your ID just because you're walking down the street."
> -- Democrat Howard Dean after 9/11

--
Remove the "Delany" to reply.

[slate_leeper]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:37:28 -0500, "pixi" <pixi@hardynet.com> wrote:

>A little off topic.. Are you by chance descended from James Leeper of
>Washington and York Cos. PA. He lived at the time of the Revolution.

Actually the screen name is a spoonerism - a word or phrase where the
first letters of the words are mixed. Thus slate-leeper = late
sleeper. Note that I signed my post:

-dan z-



"(9/11 and the aftermath will) require a re-evaluation of the importance of
some of our specific civil liberties. I think there are going to be debates
about what can be said where, what can be printed where, what kind of
freedom of movement people have and whether it's OK for a policeman to ask
for your ID just because you're walking down the street."
-- Democrat Howard Dean after 9/11

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:32:35 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, slate_leeper
<bycy-r0bj@spamex.com> wrote:
>
> Company Bypasses Cookie-Deleting Consumers
>
> Thu Mar 31, 5:14 PM ET
>
>
> United Virtualities is offering online marketers and publishers
> technology that attempts to undermine the growing trend among
> consumers to delete cookies planted in their computers.
>
> The New York company on Thursday unveiled what it calls PIE, or
> persistent identification element, a technology that's uploaded to a
> browser and restores deleted cookies. In addition, PIE, which can't be
> easily removed, can also act as a cookie backup, since it contains the
> same information.
>
[snip]

So, these f___wits are marketing a tool whose express purpose is to commit a
Federal crime, eh?

<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html>
(Note paragraph (a)(5)(A), in particular.)

Check out the WHOIS record for <unitedvirtualities.com>:

--> Server Used: [ whois.dotster.com ]
--> unitedvirtualities.com = [ 209.177.105.12 ]
-->
--> Registrant:
--> Lafont S.A.
--> Paraguay 1246 <------ Yeah, just where every "lejitamat
ethikul bidzness" locates. <~>
--> Montevideo Montevideo 1000
--> UY
--> Registrar: DOTSTER
--> Domain Name: UNITEDVIRTUALITIES.COM
--> Created on: 12-OCT-99
--> Expires on: 12-OCT-05
--> Last Updated on: 23-SEP-04
--> Administrative Contact:
--> Rajner Daniel redev@attglobal.net
-->
--> Lafont S.A.
--> Paraguay 1246
--> Montevideo Montevideo 1000
--> UY
--> 1-305-418-7468
--> 1-305-418-7468
--> Technical Contact:
--> Rajner Daniel redev@attglobal.net
-->
--> Lafont S.A.
--> Paraguay 1246
--> Montevideo Montevideo 1000
--> UY
--> 1-305-418-7468
--> 1-305-418-7468
--> Domain servers in listed order:
--> NS1.UNITEDVIRTUALITIES.COM
--> AS1.AUTHORIZEDSOLUTIONS.CA
--> End of Whois Information

And hosted on long-time unrepentant spamhaus <idyia.com>:

--> @whois. Server Used: [ whois.arin.net ]
--> 209.177.105.12 = [ 209.177.105.12-cust.idyia.net ]
-->
--> OrgName: IDYIA Inc.
--> OrgID: IDYI
--> Address: 900 - 167 Lombard Avenue
--> City: Winnipeg
--> StateProv: MB
--> PostalCode: R3B0V3
--> Country: CA
--> NetRange: 209.177.96.0 - 209.177.111.255
--> CIDR: 209.177.96.0/20
--> NetName: IDYIA-NET-1
--> NetHandle: NET-209-177-96-0-1
--> Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
--> NetType: Direct Allocation
--> NameServer: NS1.IDYIA.CA
--> NameServer: NS2.IDYIA.CA
--> Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
--> RegDate: 2002-06-21
--> Updated: 2002-06-25
--> TechHandle: IPT2-ARIN
--> TechName: Team IP Provisionment
--> TechPhone: 1-204-775-0181
--> TechEmail: ipadmin@idyia.com
-->
--> ARIN WHOIS database last updated 2005-04-02 19: 10

It could only scream "SCAM!" any louder if it had Alan Ralksy's or Scott
Richter's name on it, and was hosted in China.

> Sounds like spyware to me!
[snip]

Ya' think?

The (rather significant) up-side is, the scam is dependant on the user having
Macromedia's Shockwave Flash MX installed/loaded -- which no one with even
half a clue would do, after they foisted C-Dilla on the world.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet02[at]appropriate-tech.net

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Unsolicited advertising sent to this domain is expressly prohibited under
47 USC S227 and State Law. Violators are subject to prosecution.

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:08:46 -0800, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "Steppy"
<steppy@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
[snip]
> >
> Just turn off Flash, a good idea anyway,
[snip]

"Turn off"? Try "Never under any circumstances let it get installed in the
first place!" Have you forgotten about C-Dilla?

When will people learn... The ONLY way that abusive "mainsleaze" vendors like
Macromedia, MS, NAI, Real Networks, Symantec, etc., will *ever* get the
message is if we, their victims, have the integrity to consistently mimic
Nancy Reagan: "Just say NO!"

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet02[at]appropriate-tech.net

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Unsolicited advertising sent to this domain is expressly prohibited under
47 USC S227 and State Law. Violators are subject to prosecution.

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On 01 Apr 2005 23:16:59 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "Homer.Simpson"
<Homer.Simpson@SpringfieldBB.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> LOL, thanks for the link. This line made the entire article worth
> reading:
>
> "Mookie Tanembaum, founder and chief executive of United Virtualities,
> says the company is trying to help consumers by preventing them from
> deleting cookies that help website operators deliver better services."
>
> hahahahahahahahaha..... how can he say this with a straight face? ;-D

Because he's a con-man; and maintaining that facade is his stock in trade.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet02[at]appropriate-tech.net

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Unsolicited advertising sent to this domain is expressly prohibited under
47 USC S227 and State Law. Violators are subject to prosecution.