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    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:44:59 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, shplink
    <shplink@removeme.shplink.com> wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >
    > Thank you Jay and Giftzwerg,
    > I think we can have a compromise here by keeping it dry and pointing
    > readers to questions 16 and 17 (i.e. "see Qs 16 and 17 for more
    > information on why Windows users are the primary focus..." that sort of
    > thing....?


    At first blush, that sounds reasonable. The problem is that those particular
    questions don't adequately address the issue. In fact, they are seriously
    misleading in at least some ways -- particularly in the baseless disservice
    they do to Open Source software in general, and the degree to which they
    perpetuate the myth that the sole/primary reason Windows and MSIE/OE are so
    chronically malware-ridden is because it's the biggest (i.e., "most popular")
    target. That is simply not the case. Sure, the relative popularity of
    Windows undoubtedly has *some* impact; but this is definitely *not* the
    primary causative factor. In fact, it would be essentially irrelevant if
    there weren't so many Mayflower-sized security holes (with neon billboards
    pointing to them) in the code itself.

    For these reasons, among others, both of those questions are desperately in
    need of a rewrite.

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    shplink Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:04:07 -0500, Jay T. Blocksom said nicely:

    > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:44:59 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, shplink
    > <shplink@removeme.shplink.com> wrote:
    > >

    > [snip]
    > >
    > > Thank you Jay and Giftzwerg,
    > > I think we can have a compromise here by keeping it dry and pointing
    > > readers to questions 16 and 17 (i.e. "see Qs 16 and 17 for more
    > > information on why Windows users are the primary focus..." that sort of
    > > thing....?

    >
    > At first blush, that sounds reasonable. The problem is that those particular
    > questions don't adequately address the issue. In fact, they are seriously
    > misleading in at least some ways -- particularly in the baseless disservice
    > they do to Open Source software in general, and the degree to which they
    > perpetuate the myth that the sole/primary reason Windows and MSIE/OE are so
    > chronically malware-ridden is because it's the biggest (i.e., "most popular")
    > target. That is simply not the case. Sure, the relative popularity of
    > Windows undoubtedly has *some* impact; but this is definitely *not* the
    > primary causative factor. In fact, it would be essentially irrelevant if
    > there weren't so many Mayflower-sized security holes (with neon billboards
    > pointing to them) in the code itself.
    >
    > For these reasons, among others, both of those questions are desperately in
    > need of a rewrite.


    Hi Jay, I recall your being fairly heavily involved in the first draft of
    the FAQ. I recall some differences of opinion with some of the other
    regulars, in some cases your view coming up on top, in some others being
    outvoted.
    If my memory serves, most of the group leaned toward a "keep it simple"
    approach. Feel free to disagree, and I think arguments and discussions are
    what Usenet is all about- So if you disagree about the KIS, how would you
    re-write those Qs?
    If you agree with KIS, er- how would you re-write those Qs? In either
    case, do you think your explanation above addresses all of the potential
    re-writes?

    --
    shplink

    the alt.privacy.spyware FAQ:
    http://shplink.com/misc/FAQ.htm


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    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:46:22 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, shplink
    <shplink@removeme.shplink.com> wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >
    > Hi Jay, I recall your being fairly heavily involved in the first draft of
    > the FAQ.

    [snip]

    Well, it wasn't exactly the "first draft"... I came across an early version
    that you (?) had posted, and was struck by some of the obvious problems it
    embodied. So I started commenting; and the comments started turning into more
    of a re-write, and so on...

    > I recall some differences of opinion with some of the other
    > regulars, in some cases your view coming up on top, in some others being
    > outvoted.

    [snip]

    As to be expected, especially considering that the changes were fairly
    extensive (and to some extent challenged some folks' preconceived notions and
    assumptions).

    > If my memory serves, most of the group leaned toward a "keep it simple"
    > approach. Feel free to disagree, and I think arguments and discussions are
    > what Usenet is all about- So if you disagree about the KIS, how would you
    > re-write those Qs?

    [snip]

    Heh. Part of the reason I never addressed this (and other higher-numbered
    Q/As) until now is that during that earlier session of FAQ-massaging, I sort'a
    "ran out of steam" after re-doing the first 6-8 (IIRC) Q/As, then (seemingly
    endlessly) debating that batch of changes, etc.

    It's not that I disagree with the K.I.S.S. principle, er... in principle. I'm
    all for it, in fact. But when dealing with such potentially complex subjects,
    often with important yet subtle distinctions, it is difficult to be both
    simple/concise *and* complete/thorough.

    > If you agree with KIS, er- how would you re-write those Qs?

    [snip]

    I'd have to go back and study it with some patience; which I don't have the
    time/energy for right now. But OTOH...

    > In either
    > case, do you think your explanation above addresses all of the potential
    > re-writes?


    *All* possibilites/ramifications? No. But it's certainly a huge improvement
    over the existing language.

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    Jay T. Blocksom
    --------------------------------
    Appropriate Technology, Inc.
    usenet02[at]appropriate-tech.net

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