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    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:49:38 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Giftzwerg
    <giftzwerg999@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote:
    >

    [snip]

    > In article <q6nf41dim4qv8r1jjmoa34gbbr7lu1nhtl@news.speakeasy .net>,
    > not.deliverable+usenet02@appropriate-tech.net says...
    > >
    > > I'd suggest fleshing it out just a little bit, to make the point that the
    > > reason "Most suggestions are for Windows Operating Systems" (and MSIE/OE
    > > in particular) is because that is where the overwhelmingly vast majority
    > > of the vulnerabilities lie.

    >
    > I dunno. This is like saying that banks are more "vulnerable" than
    > daycare centers because a lot more banks get robbed than daycare
    > centers.
    >

    [snip]

    Actually, your analogy is quite apt.

    There is a very famous quote usually (mis-)attributed to Willie Sutton (you
    know who he was, right?) which explains why banks get robbed:

    "Because that's where the money is."

    Similarly, Windows (and MSIE/OE in particular) gets "attacked" by viruses,
    worms, trojans and the like for one very simple reason:

    "Because that's where the security holes are."

    > It may be true that Windoze is inherently more vulnerable than the
    > competition,

    [snip]

    No "may be" about it. It's not even a question, much less a close call.

    > ...but it's certainly true that the OS that runs 90+% of the
    > world's desktops - and is almost always "administered" by a near-
    > clueless end-user - is going to be studied and targeted far more closely
    > by hackers/crackers/malware.
    >

    [snip]

    Not really.

    First, please don't confuse hackers with crackers. These are *NOT* synonymous
    terms; in fact, they are nearly polar opposites. And FWIW, I've seen
    virtually no evidence that there are any hackers left on the planet -- that
    whole culture seemed to die out around the time that computers became marketed
    as appliances.

    Second, the people who create at least most malware (the "crackers", if you
    will) are a notoriously lazy and unimaginative lot. (Think about it: If this
    were not so, then at least the vast majority of them would be able to find
    satisfaction and success via honest lines of work.) Hence, the attraction to
    them of MS crapware is quite obvious: It's an extraordinarily easy target,
    precisely because MS _deliberately_designed_in_ the mechanisms by which the
    malware operates. This is in stark contrast to virtually everything which
    might be considered "the competition", where whatever security vulnerabilities
    may exist from time to time are near-exclusively due to unintentional bugs and
    such -- and thus tend to get fixed in short order as soon as they are
    discovered.

    > In other words, there might be some truly tectonic holes in OS2/Warp,
    > but not too many script kiddies are beavering away to find 'em these
    > days.


    No one has to "beaver away" to find the security holes in MS crapware; the
    worst of them are all quite well documented and laid out so that even a
    relative moron can exploit them.

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    Doc Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    Jay T. Blocksom <not.deliverable+usenet02@appropriate-tech.net> wrote in
    news:h0dk41taargvemrnpqn0oj8m8fi7s1gotd@news.speak easy.net:

    >
    > Actually, your analogy is quite apt.
    >
    >


    Well I'll be fuc**d, Jay actually agrees with someone for once.

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    safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
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    "WOW, WHAT A RIDE"

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    CalamityKen Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    Doc wrote:
    > Jay T. Blocksom <not.deliverable+usenet02@appropriate-tech.net> wrote
    > in news:h0dk41taargvemrnpqn0oj8m8fi7s1gotd@news.speak easy.net:
    >
    >>
    >> Actually, your analogy is quite apt.

    >
    > Well I'll be fuc**d, Jay actually agrees with someone for once.


    I prefer the term whale oil beef hooked.

    It is a rather auspicious occasion.

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    Giftzwerg Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    In article <h0dk41taargvemrnpqn0oj8m8fi7s1gotd@news.speakeasy .net>,
    not.deliverable+usenet02@appropriate-tech.net says...

    > No one has to "beaver away" to find the security holes in MS crapware


    *plonk*

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    finger on a Saddam Hussein."
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    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: The FAQ for <alt.privacy.spyware> [updated March 24, 2005]

    On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:55:15 -0500, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Giftzwerg
    <giftzwerg999@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > In article <h0dk41taargvemrnpqn0oj8m8fi7s1gotd@news.speakeasy .net>,
    > not.deliverable+usenet02@appropriate-tech.net says...
    >
    > > No one has to "beaver away" to find the security holes in MS crapware

    >
    > *plonk*


    Did the reality check offend you?

    Oh, well... your loss.

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