Is Spybot necessary for me?

[Kyle Thomas Pope]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:29:59 +1100, "The person you think"
<spamis@the****house.com> wrote:

>Excuse me but YOU fail to see sense so no matter that I proved you wrong,
>YOU refute it. Suggest you go back to sleep.

Excuse me but you haven't proved anything. You haven't even made an
allegation to prove. You just keep saying I'm wrong but don't say how
or present anything to back it up. I suggest you learn how to debate
or at least how to troll.

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[flan]

Kyle Thomas Pope wrote:
>
> Windows Media Player 9
>
(Assorted url's snipped)
>
> WinXP Service Pack 1
>
(ditto)
>
> As you can see, it's quite true.
>
I see nothing of the kind. I see a lot of old news, re-packaged to scare
people. What you refuse to understand is that you never have to let any
application connect to Microsoft or anywhere else. I have Media Player 9
and it has never connected to the net, MS or anywhere. Same with the help
center and various services. When you make a statement like, "WinXP
requires contact with Microsoft to keep functioning", you show total
ignorance of the subject. But, people believe what they want, whether about
religion, politics, or XP. I'll say no more.

[Kyle Thomas Pope]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:21:51 -0800, "flan" <spellman@komdelx.biz>
wrote:

>Kyle Thomas Pope wrote:
>>
>> Windows Media Player 9
>>
>(Assorted url's snipped)
>>
>> WinXP Service Pack 1
>>
>(ditto)
>>
>> As you can see, it's quite true.
>>
>I see nothing of the kind.

I know you don't. Nonetheless there is no legitimate reason for any
software vendor to require you to give them administrator privileges
on your system in order to use their software. Especially if they are
going on about how security conscious they are.

>I see a lot of old news, re-packaged to scare
>people. What you refuse to understand is that you never have to let any
>application connect to Microsoft or anywhere else. I have Media Player 9
>and it has never connected to the net, MS or anywhere. Same with the help
>center and various services.

It wouldn't matter if you kept your computer sealed in a vault in the
middle of the Gobi desert. The fact remains that a EULA is a contract
whose terms you agree to when you install and use a piece of software.
And Microsoft requires you agree to leave your computer open to their
downloads. You are in violation of that agreement but you agreed to
abide by it when you loaded up and used the software. This isn't FUD.
The EULA of those two software packages are quite explicit in their
conditions. WMP 9 incorporates DRM features that it intents to force
down its users throats. WinXP SP1 incorporates security features
(Microsoft's security) that it fully intends to implement. It will be
interesting to see what the EULA for WinXP SP2 says.

>When you make a statement like, "WinXP
>requires contact with Microsoft to keep functioning", you show total
>ignorance of the subject. But, people believe what they want, whether about
>religion, politics, or XP. I'll say no more.

Wait until all those copies of WMP9 stop playing so-called "secure
content" and refuses to start playing them until the user goes on-line
and allow Microsoft's downloads into them.

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[Spunkmeister]

Kyle: You are a ****ing idiot.



On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:06:00 -0800, Kyle Thomas Pope
<kurokyle@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:23:03 +1100, "The person you think"
><spamis@the****house.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not everyone who gets on a computer is a full-on techno-geek or wants
>>> to be.
>>
>>As stated above, they dont HAVE to be, personally.
>
>And they're not going to be. The ironic thing is that these people
>are going to be depending on Microsoft to update and patch their
>security problems provided they become aware of them.
>
>>Where in the hell you got that I look down on them, I dont know. There is a
>>HUGE amount of information available on TV and in newspapers to make people
>>AWARE that there are problems on Internet with security and that they should
>>get help with that. It is the user's choice whether or not to do something
>>about that, though. THIS is where the bungy rope scenario comes in.
>
>And as I said these people will be trusting Microsoft to deal with
>those problems as they come up. In fact Win XP will take it upon
>itself to look for and download patches and updates so the users won't
>even have to think about it. Which is just fine if you think
>Microsoft is a company you can trust.
>
>>Do you even BOTHER to use a packet sniffer or are you coming in here telling
>>everyone what is going on without proof? My computer receives pings
>>CONSTANTLY because of swen, etc and if I didnt have a firewall, it would be
>>sending out a response. Also, depending on your line quality, a dial up
>>modem retraining looks like lots of information going inwards or outwards
>>when, in fact, it is just trying to renegotiate a connection.
>
>Are you some sort of Microsoft shill? Have you not been paying
>attention? Microsoft security holes make headlines. We're not
>talking about pings here. We're talking about exploits of ActiveX,
>Universal Plug and Play, bypassing password files, complete takeovers
>of Windows machines, personal information being sent out to MS or
>other vendors, etc.
>
>
>http://www.infosatellite.com/news/20...ows_flaws.html
>
>http://www.microsoft-watch.com/artic...1262562,00.asp
>
>http://www.tecchannel.com/security/client/58/
>
>http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/1471/I...21mediaplayer/
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25956.html
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26517.html
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/24815.html
>
>http://www.nipc.gov/warnings/advisor...ial7302003.htm
>
>http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=118572
>
>http://leo.typepad.com/tsn/2002/09/windows_securit.html
>
>http://www.grc.com/unpnp/unpnp.htm
>
>http://www.crn.com/sections/Breaking...rticleID=44741
>
>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3834047.htm
>
>http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...092302x,00.asp
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23090.html
>
>http://news.com.com/2100-1001-275366...cnet&tag=mn_hd
>
>>Again, if you have a firewall that checks BOTH directions, you can remain
>>blissfully ignorant of most of that or if you are unsure but paranoid, you
>>can block anything you cant identify.
>
>My point is that Windows shouldn't be doing this in the first place.
>There is no legitimate reason for Windows to be taking private
>information from my computer and sending it out to unknown recipients
>without my knowledge or consent. Just because you've secured your
>premises against burglary doesn't mean that burglary has ceased being
>a crime.
>
>>So far as Win98 is concerned, you are less safe on it than XP. You seem only
>>to worry about certain things. Security isnt just one dimensional.
>
>Will you please clarify this assertion. Just exactly how is WinXP
>more secure than Win 98SE?
>
>>Sure. the RPC thing was a total disgusting mess that shouldnt have happened.
>>However, that wasnt the issue. You are saying Win98 is safer. It just isnt.
>
>What I'm saying is that it is easier to harden Win 98SE than it is to
>harden WinXP. Left alone all Windows OS's are open doors to your
>system.
>
>>Rubbish to that last sentence. If you are that paranoid, stay with Linux and
>>suffer IT'S security problems, only.
>
>You are a Microsoft shill. If you aren't familiar with the concerns
>about the capabilities of TCPA, Palladium and Longhorn and the
>controversies around its development and implementation then you
>aren't informed enough to be commenting on security issues. The idea
>of a hardware/software combination designed to lock you out of your
>own system at the behest of some vendor should scare the hell out of
>anyone.
>
>>You sound as if you think it cant be beaten.
>
>It shouldn't have to be. It represents the idea that the computer
>industry is starting to think of the PC as their property rather than
>that of the user. That should be unacceptable to anyone.
>
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>Kyle Pope
>
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>
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[Spunkmeister]

Do dodod ododo doodod dododo .....

God, you are one paranoid ****nut! But funny as hell.

You obviously know squat about computers .... although you can surf
OK. And, you know how to type in a search engine ... Oooooo!

You get me hot! You big stud you!

You are an idot!




On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:15:29 -0800, Kyle Thomas Pope
<kurokyle@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:00:57 -0800, "flan" <spellman@komdelx.biz>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't know where you got this idea but it's not true.
>
>Windows Media Player 9
>
>http://www.eroj.org/linux/backdoors.html
>
>http://www.hazeleger.net/NL-Archive/2003/012.htm#007
>
>http://www.theregus.com/content/4/26387.html
>
>
>
>WinXP Service Pack 1
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/26517.html
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25956.html
>
>http://www.mccune.cc/WindowsXP.htm
>
>http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm
>
>As you can see, it's quite true.
>
>>Have you ever used
>>XP?
>
>Hell no. And I am not going to either.
>
>>And what is your point anyway? That Windows is a flawed OS? This is
>>not news. So, either protect yourself or don't use it. To keep going on
>>and on about what MS should do or shouldn't do is ridiculous. You have to
>>deal with the situation as it is and protect yourself. No one else will.
>
>My point is that to protect yourself Win 98SE offer a more defensible
>position because it pre-dates Microsoft's initiatives in trying to
>remotely control every computer running its OS.
>
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>Kyle Pope
>
>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered!" - No. 6
>
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[The person you think]

"Kyle Thomas Pope" <kurokyle@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:29:59 +1100, "The person you think"
> <spamis@the****house.com> wrote:
>
> >Excuse me but YOU fail to see sense so no matter that I proved you wrong,
> >YOU refute it. Suggest you go back to sleep.
>
> Excuse me

You are a twit so consider yourself excused. Now get out!

[Kyle Thomas Pope]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:38:02 +1100, "The person you think"
<spamis@the****house.com> wrote:

>> Excuse me
>
>You are a twit so consider yourself excused. Now get out!

If this is the point to where your powers of argument have devolved
then I suggest that it is you that has no place here.

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[The person you think]

"Kyle Thomas Pope" <kurokyle@notmail.spam.not.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:38:02 +1100, "The person you think"
> <spamis@the****house.com> wrote:
>
> >> Excuse me
> >
> >You are a twit so consider yourself excused. Now get out!
>
> If this is the point to where your powers of argument have devolved
> then I suggest that it is you that has no place here.
>

You argue to the point of exposing your own stupidity, everyone telling you
that you are wrong and continue to argue.

So, to be nice to you, let's just say no-one can take you seriously, you
know nothing much and leave it at that.

[Kyle Thomas Pope]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:32:32 +1100, "The person you think"
<spamis@the****house.com> wrote:

>You argue to the point of exposing your own stupidity, everyone telling you
>that you are wrong and continue to argue.

Everyone isn't telling me I'm wrong. Just you. And it takes more
than your say-so to make a proposition true. A review of your
postings shows nothing but baseless assertions that I'm wrong with no
evidence, citations or basic arguments as to why I am wrong or what I
am wrong about. If you believe I'm wrong, prove it. Show me your
case.

>So, to be nice to you, let's just say no-one can take you seriously, you
>know nothing much and leave it at that.

Again you are speaking for others. You're the only one questioning my
position. You have a claim now back it up. This sort of trolling is
far too common to simply stand on its own.

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