popup stoper ????

[General Mailbox]

Wasn't there something written, not too long ago, about Google directing
results back through +1 servers to record your requests to 3rd parties?
Kevin

"siljaline" <siljaline@invalid.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:10:54 GMT, "YoKenny" <YKnot@home.invalid> wrote:

>highlander wrote:
>> can anyone give me a link to get a free good popup stoper
>>
>> thank you in advance
>
>In addition to Jim's post I recommend the Google Toolbar. It has a great
>built in popup stopper.

But the Google Toolbar has an auto-update feature that can't be disabled...
Give me a plain vanilla popup stopper any day


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[siljaline]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:37:41 GMT, "General Mailbox" <keepspam@away.com> wrote:

>Wasn't there something written, not too long ago, about Google directing
>results back through +1 servers to record your requests to 3rd parties?
>Kevin

Not aware of that, sorry.

Knowing Google's tactics, though, that wouldn't surprise me.



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[General Mailbox]

Ok. I know I read something on this Google thing. I found it. Copy is as
follows:
Kevin
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vanguard" <rztqf6v02-nix@sneakemail-nix.com>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.spyware
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: Is the Google Toolbar spyware (tracks your navigation)?


I was having problems getting to some web sites, like
http://www.creative.com. IE6 would time out with a page not found or
DNS error. Going through http://www.anonymizer.com proved the site was
up and responsive. A DNS lookup worked okay, too. A local traceroute
showed that I could reach that site. I cleared my firewall's logs and
then tried another connect. What I saw for the URL for the connect was:
http://216.239.37.104/search?client=...ative%2Ecom%2F

This showed that I was first getting sent to the IP addressed site which
then redirected me to the URL that I had specified. The IP address
often changes but a check on them at ARIN's WhoIs showed they were
allocated to Google. I used BHO Demon to disable the Google toolbar BHO
(browser helper object) but the URL still showed that I was going
through Google's host first. I then uninstalled the Google Toolbar and,
voila, the URL used for the connection as evidenced in my firewall log
showed the URL that I had entered instead of going through Google's
hosts.

Originally I thought the problem with reaching the web site was caused
by Norton Anti-Virus (NAV) because of the "navclient" in the URL
parameters. Disabling NAV didn't help. As I was searching through the
registry to find references to "google", I found "nav" subkeys. That's
what triggered me to uninstall Google and retest to see if the URLs used
were what I specified instead of getting redirected through their hosts
(and it worked).

I did NOT have the Page Ranking or Categories options enabled. This
incurs privacy concerns as Google mentions in that the sites you visit
will get recorded (so they can update their rankings and determine what
other sites might be like the one you just visited, and why they have to
know where you visited). With these privacy divulging options disabled,
Google should have no idea to where I am navigating, especially when not
using anything of their service.

SpyBot's threat list only mentions that the tracking list leaves you
susceptible to someone else prying on your computer to check the Google
history list to see where you have been. I could not post to their
support forum (because I never got the confirmation e-mail letting me
validate a new registration) but sent the SpyBot folks an e-mail asking
if the Google Toolbar should be updated to reflect that the Google
Toolbar can and will track your web navigation. I uninstalled their
Google Toolbar and now the URLs for the connects are just what I
specified and no longer go through Google's hosts. I can also now get
to sites that were unreachable before (because their host was somehow
screwed up).

So until Google responds as to why my URLs are getting forced through
their servers (when no privacy divulging options are enabled), I
consider their toolbar as spyware in that it lets them record where you
have navigated. I'll still use Google for searches but only by opening
a page to their web site and NOT by using their toolbar. I used their
toolbar for a long time and found it quite handy. It's still handy if
you don't mind them recording everywhere that you navigate.

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"siljaline" <siljaline@invalid.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:37:41 GMT, "General Mailbox" <keepspam@away.com>
wrote:

>Wasn't there something written, not too long ago, about Google directing
>results back through +1 servers to record your requests to 3rd parties?
>Kevin

Not aware of that, sorry.

Knowing Google's tactics, though, that wouldn't surprise me.



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siljaline

"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free
time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

[YoKenny]

General Mailbox wrote:
> Ok. I know I read something on this Google thing. I found it. Copy
> is as follows:

And in his follow-up posting:
"So my suspicion of the Google Toolbar has somewhat been calmed"

> Kevin
> --------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vanguard" <rztqf6v02-nix@sneakemail-nix.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.privacy.spyware
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:36 PM
> Subject: Is the Google Toolbar spyware (tracks your navigation)?
>
>
> I was having problems getting to some web sites, like
> http://www.creative.com. IE6 would time out with a page not found or
> DNS error. Going through http://www.anonymizer.com proved the site
> was
> up and responsive. A DNS lookup worked okay, too. A local traceroute
> showed that I could reach that site. I cleared my firewall's logs and
> then tried another connect. What I saw for the URL for the connect
> was:
>
http://216.239.37.104/search?client=...ative%2Ecom%2F
>
> This showed that I was first getting sent to the IP addressed site
> which
> then redirected me to the URL that I had specified. The IP address
> often changes but a check on them at ARIN's WhoIs showed they were
> allocated to Google. I used BHO Demon to disable the Google toolbar
> BHO (browser helper object) but the URL still showed that I was going
> through Google's host first. I then uninstalled the Google Toolbar
> and,
> voila, the URL used for the connection as evidenced in my firewall log
> showed the URL that I had entered instead of going through Google's
> hosts.
>
> Originally I thought the problem with reaching the web site was caused
> by Norton Anti-Virus (NAV) because of the "navclient" in the URL
> parameters. Disabling NAV didn't help. As I was searching through
> the
> registry to find references to "google", I found "nav" subkeys.
> That's
> what triggered me to uninstall Google and retest to see if the URLs
> used
> were what I specified instead of getting redirected through their
> hosts (and it worked).
>
> I did NOT have the Page Ranking or Categories options enabled. This
> incurs privacy concerns as Google mentions in that the sites you visit
> will get recorded (so they can update their rankings and determine
> what
> other sites might be like the one you just visited, and why they have
> to
> know where you visited). With these privacy divulging options
> disabled,
> Google should have no idea to where I am navigating, especially when
> not
> using anything of their service.
>
> SpyBot's threat list only mentions that the tracking list leaves you
> susceptible to someone else prying on your computer to check the
> Google
> history list to see where you have been. I could not post to their
> support forum (because I never got the confirmation e-mail letting me
> validate a new registration) but sent the SpyBot folks an e-mail
> asking
> if the Google Toolbar should be updated to reflect that the Google
> Toolbar can and will track your web navigation. I uninstalled their
> Google Toolbar and now the URLs for the connects are just what I
> specified and no longer go through Google's hosts. I can also now get
> to sites that were unreachable before (because their host was somehow
> screwed up).
>
> So until Google responds as to why my URLs are getting forced through
> their servers (when no privacy divulging options are enabled), I
> consider their toolbar as spyware in that it lets them record where
> you
> have navigated. I'll still use Google for searches but only by
> opening
> a page to their web site and NOT by using their toolbar. I used their
> toolbar for a long time and found it quite handy. It's still handy if
> you don't mind them recording everywhere that you navigate.
>
> --
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> ** Share with others. Post replies in the newsgroup.
> ** If present, remove all "-nix" from my email address.
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>
> "siljaline" <siljaline@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:tgq6nvsmabf7vi2d9566gca7m8bueaae4a@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:37:41 GMT, "General Mailbox"
> <keepspam@away.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't there something written, not too long ago, about Google
>> directing
>> results back through +1 servers to record your requests to 3rd
>> parties?
>> Kevin
>
> Not aware of that, sorry.
>
> Knowing Google's tactics, though, that wouldn't surprise me.

[Data64]

siljaline <siljaline@invalid.com> wrote in
news:tgq6nvsmabf7vi2d9566gca7m8bueaae4a@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:37:41 GMT, "General Mailbox"
> <keepspam@away.com> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't there something written, not too long ago, about Google
>> directing results back through +1 servers to record your requests to
>> 3rd parties? Kevin
>
> Not aware of that, sorry.
>
> Knowing Google's tactics, though, that wouldn't surprise me.
>
>
>

One reason for it through flow through the google site is so that you can
see your search term highlighted in the returned page.
IMHO, this should probably be implemented in javascript, but its
possible they do it server side.

data64

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On 27 Sep 2003 15:20:34 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Data64
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> One reason for it through flow through the google site is so that you can
> see your search term highlighted in the returned page.
[snip]

That only applies if, after getting the search results listing, you ask for
the "cached copy" of a given patge. If instead, you click on the main link,
your browser goes directly (presumably after a normal DNS lookup, of course)
to that site/page -- Google is not involved st all (tho' their domain may
still appear in the "Referer:" header of the HTTP request, of course).

(This, of course, all presumes the use of just a standards-compliant
web-browser, without such potential hijackers as the "Google Toolbar".)

> IMHO, this should probably be implemented in javascript,
[snip]

Absolutely not.

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