SpyBot Beta Updates

[siljaline]

"BoB" <rhoward30@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> Are you saying OE will pull in more msgs from the same server
> than Agent? Weird!
>
> When I realize something is wrong with my msg count, I switch
> from my ISP news server to cis.dfn.de to fix the problem.
>
> 2.0 will be out any day now. :-)
>
> BoB
>
Hi BoB,

Since the power outage in the northeast, my news-server has gone for a dive.
OE *does* somehow pull more - can't really explain it.
Posts using Forte are not even showing here!

Thanks for the heads-up on the new Forte, btw -

Until I get Forte debugged and news-server issues fixed, well, OE it will be.

Sorry for the annoyance -


--

siljaline

"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game
because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from
-- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
- Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:01:32 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "mto"
<nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> wrote:
>
> From: "mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks>
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
[snip]
>
> That's just a function of the inadequate newsreader that you are using.
>

<SPLORF!>

Are you bucking for KOTM, or what?

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:03:09 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Randall Bart
<Barticus@att.spam.net> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> I'm using the same newsreader as Blocksom (Forte Agent 1.93/32.576), and
> it's handling Quoted Printable just fine. I think he has mangled his
> options.

If you could give me a specific example of what "options" you think I've
"mangled", I'd be happy to re-examine that. In the meantime, I suspect you
need to hit Ctrl-R to see what "siljaline" is *really* posting.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
under USC Title 47, Section 227. Violators are subject to charge of up to
$1,500 per incident or treble actual costs, whichever is greater.
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:53:23 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, siljaline
<siljaline@invalid.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Jay,
>
> I've been using Outlook Express
[snip]

Ouch. You have my sympathies.

> since news off Forte Agent have not been
> reliable of late,
[snip]

This strikes me as odd, to say the least. There is a known "bug" (so to
speak -- not really a coding error, but the effect is the same) where Agent
can occasionally become "confused" in terms how it *presents* the threaded
list of messages, due to the hashing that is used on Subjects and
Message-IDs when generating the .IDX files. But this generally only affects
groups with a VERY large number of saved messages; and even then, it's rare.

Beyond that, I cannot think of any reason for Agent to appear "unreliable".

> I apologize for the messy [ =3D 20 ] posts.=20
[snip]

Accepted, of course; but do take a look at Outleak's various settings, to
see if you can disable Quoted Printable. That's not a cure (nothing which
involves continuing to use Outleak Excuse could be); but it will likely
solve the immediate problem.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
under USC Title 47, Section 227. Violators are subject to charge of up to
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:45:49 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "siljaline"
<siljaline@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> "BoB" <rhoward30@myrealbox.com> wrote:=20
> > Are you saying OE will pull in more msgs from the same server
> > than Agent? Weird!
> >=20
[snip]
>
> Since the power outage in the northeast, my news-server has gone for a =
> dive.
> OE *does* somehow pull more - can't really explain it.=20
> Posts using Forte are not even showing here!=20
>
[snip]

Check the

[Options | User and System Profile | System]

tab, and make sure that

[X] Server Creates messages out of order

*IS* checked.

> Until I get Forte debugged and news-server issues fixed, well, OE it =
> will be.
>
[snip]

With any luck, this will do it.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
under USC Title 47, Section 227. Violators are subject to charge of up to
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[Randall Bart]

'Twas Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:20:29 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood
in awe as Jay T. Blocksom <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net>
uttered:

>If you could give me a specific example of what "options" you think I've
>"mangled", I'd be happy to re-examine that. In the meantime, I suspect you
>need to hit Ctrl-R to see what "siljaline" is *really* posting.

I don't need to examine Silja's messages in raw mode; Agent displays and
quotes them correctly. Maybe the problem is that you are replying to his
messages while you are in raw mode.

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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:46:48 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Randall Bart
<Barticus@att.spam.net> wrote:
>
> 'Twas Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:20:29 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood
> in awe as Jay T. Blocksom <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net>
> uttered:
>
> >If you could give me a specific example of what "options" you think I've
> >"mangled", I'd be happy to re-examine that. In the meantime, I suspect
> >you need to hit Ctrl-R to see what "siljaline" is *really* posting.
>
> I don't need to examine Silja's messages in raw mode; Agent displays and
> quotes them correctly. Maybe the problem is that you are replying to his
> messages while you are in raw mode.

You're missing the point. Without viewing in Raw Mode, you don't see the
articles as they are *actually* posted. The issue was not *my* ability to
read siljaline's posts in Agent; but rather that because they were posted
the way they were, they would *inherently* present difficulties to some
folks using newsreader software that does not "cover up" such things.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
under USC Title 47, Section 227. Violators are subject to charge of up to
$1,500 per incident or treble actual costs, whichever is greater.
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[Randall Bart]

'Twas Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:03:43 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood
in awe as Jay T. Blocksom <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net>
uttered:

>You're missing the point. Without viewing in Raw Mode, you don't see the
>articles as they are *actually* posted. The issue was not *my* ability to
>read siljaline's posts in Agent; but rather that because they were posted
>the way they were, they would *inherently* present difficulties to some
>folks using newsreader software that does not "cover up" such things.

Siljaline's message was in properly formatted quoted printable. You're
manufacturing a problem where none exists.
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:25:12 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Randall Bart
<Barticus@att.spam.net> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Siljaline's message was in properly formatted quoted printable.
[snip]

There is no such thing, in the context of Usenet.

> You're manufacturing a problem where none exists.

No, you're failing to recognize that Usenet != E-Mail.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
under USC Title 47, Section 227. Violators are subject to charge of up to
$1,500 per incident or treble actual costs, whichever is greater.
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[Randall Bart]

'Twas Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:18:37 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood
in awe as Jay T. Blocksom <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net>
uttered:

>No, you're failing to recognize that Usenet != E-Mail.

You're failing to realize that 2003 != 1995.
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