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  1. #41
    Randall Bart Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    'Twas Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:13:21 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood in
    awe as "mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> uttered:

    >But the guy that put a car in your driveway was Ford - not
    >Daimler, Benz, Olds etc. They all built cars for the wealthy rather than
    >the masses. Ford changed history as they say with his most important
    >invention - the assembly line.


    Correct. Ford's great invention was not the automobile, but the assembly
    line. He was the father of mass production. His cars weren't the best,
    but he could build a lot of them and sell them at a price the masses could
    afford.

    He advertised that his cars were any color you like, just paint it
    yourself. Very few people bothered to paint over the black primer, so the
    joke was any color you like as long as it's black.
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  2. #42
    James E. Morrow Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    Randall Bart <Barticus@att.spam.net> wrote in
    news:dujklv82q1qjbdj3kqmn44j82odve5e0rp@4ax.com:

    > 'Twas Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:56:16 GMT when all alt.privacy.spyware
    > stood in awe as LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) uttered:
    >
    >>Nicolas Joseph Cugnot...
    >>
    >> http://inventors.about.com/library/w...carssteama.htm
    >> The History of the Automobile - Steam Cars
    >>
    >> "...In 1769, the very first self-propelled road vehicle was a
    >> military
    >> tractor invented by French engineer and mechanic, Nicolas
    >> Joseph Cugnot (1725 - 1804). Cugnot used a steam engine to
    >> power his vehicle, built under his instructions at the Paris
    >> Arsenal by mechanic Brezin. It was used by the French Army to
    >> haul artillery at a whopping speed of 2 1/2 mph on only three
    >> wheels. The vehicle had to stop every ten to fifteen minutes to
    >> build up steam power. The steam engine and boiler were separate
    >> from the rest of the vehicle and placed in the front (see
    >> engraving above). The following year (1770), Cugnot built a
    >> steam-powered tricycle that carried four passengers.
    >>
    >> In 1771, Cugnot drove one of his road vehicles into a stone
    >> wall, making Cugnot the first person to get into a motor
    >> vehicle accident. This was the beginning of bad luck for the
    >> inventor. After one of Cugnot's patrons died and the other was
    >> exiled, the money for Cugnot's road vehicle experiments
    >> ended..."

    >
    > Thank you. The way it was presented on some PBS show, he crashed
    > his first day out and gave up. This paints a very different
    > picture. It seems Cugnot was memorable character after all. The
    > vehicle was impractical in its time, and could only exist through
    > the largesse of patrons. Genius inventors are always hindered by
    > the primitive tools they have to work with.


    For the record the first American automobile was built by the Duryea
    brothers in 1896. This excludes some steam power contraptions built
    earlier. By 1896 the European auto industry was well advanced.

    http://www.modelt.org/articles/art_tcent.htm

    Henry Ford invented almost nothing.

    The Cugnot vehicle was intended to pull artillery for the French Army.
    Had history been different Napoleon might have had his own blitzkrieg.

    --
    James E. Morrow
    Email to: jamesemorrow@email.com

  3. #43
    Gail Pamphilon Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    Quoth Jay T. Blocksom <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net>:

    >WordPerfect was a very popular MS-DOS application *long* before the Mac was
    >ever introduced; but even that is not the platform upon which it started
    >out. I'll wager you don't even know who the original author/publisher of


    Now you've got me interested. My vintage dates back to WordPerfect
    (ugh) for DOS by WordPerfect Corporation, I actually taught myself 4.2
    on the library computer. Also superior in every way (then, not now),
    Word for DOS (with the original and only decent mouse), version
    unknown, as it was ages ago. All right, Holden and Ford, but still!
    ;-) Boy, we had to use our brains and imagination to get around the
    limitations back then. Windows aficionados might be surprised at what
    we managed to do.

    Before that, it was the horrendous WordStar and MultiMate, thank
    goodness I didn't have to endure them for long. Though even they had
    nothing on Word version 1, which one company I temped with was
    incredibly still using.

    So tell us. Where did WordPerfect start, if not in DOS with WC? I have
    long memories, so I'm interested.

    For the further edification of the dim bulb you were writing to, I
    remember that when WordPerfect was released for the Macintosh, the
    d*heads ported it over exactly as it was, with no attempt to rewrite
    it for Mac conditions. You can imagine the howls of outrage from
    insulted Mac-only users. ;-) My brother was the only person who didn't
    mind, as he was used to Word and WordPerfect on the PC and used to
    both PC and Mac.

    Interesting that Xerox had lots of applications that were copied by
    other companies. I knew they invented the GUI, but that's all I knew.
    You'd think I wasn't around during that time - I had no idea computers
    existed back then, a lot of people didn't. :-) How we missed out!

    Gail
    c|_|

    If you want to email me, use your imagination first.

  4. #44
    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:33:39 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, tony@well.com
    wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >
    > Today's computers and software are sophisticated enough for any number
    > of solutions to a problem. But as I indicated in my original post, I
    > want to simplify my life, not compete in cleverness with my electronic
    > gadgetry.

    [snip]

    All the more reason to adopt *permanent* solutions (or at least, as close to
    that as technologically feasible).

    > I want a machine that will run and produce with a minimum
    > amount of attention and involvement on my part. Tinkering is no longer
    > amusing or rewarding.
    >

    [snip]

    IOW, you want a "toaster" -- an "appliance" so brain-dead simple that any
    moron can use it without significant risk. Unfortunately for you, computers
    are NOT toasters, and I highly doubt they ever will be. We are, in fact,
    going in the opposite direction. So you have a choice:

    1. - You can do your best imitation of "Three Monkeys"[1], and to the extent
    that is successful *pretend* it's a toaster. But that *will* bite you in
    the a__ sooner or later, mark my words.

    2. - You can accept the fact that computers are not toasters, and learn what
    you must in order to deal with that fact competently.

    3. - You can say "Fsck it!", pull the plug, and walk away.

    Which road you take is completely up to you.


    Footnotes -
    1. <http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/files/m-p/noevil.shtml>


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  5. #45
    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 03:08:10 GMT, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Surreal Killer
    <not.here@all.now> wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >
    > Matter of perspective, mayhaps? As evidenced in my other article, I
    > was referencing the Alto, and I believe you refer to the Star.

    [snip]

    Yes, more-or-less. The discussion was focused on the antecedants of Windows
    and the Mac -- which most directly would be the Star, even tho' the Alto
    incorporated *some* of the same features (and was significantly marketed;
    I'm not sure the Star ever was, probably because by then the cost issue was
    too great a barrier).

    > These
    > youngsters just cannot bring themselves to believe there was anything
    > before the Mac or PC. <g>
    >

    [snip]

    It's as if the (broken) logic is, "If I don't know about it, it must not
    exist" -- which is more than a bit egocentric, to say the least. But it's
    not just "youngsters" (tho' obviously, youth is particularly prone to this
    particular flavor of irrationality); I've seen 50-year-olds with advanced
    cases of precisely the same mental myopia.

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  6. #46
    Jay T. Blocksom Guest

    OT: Old Wordprocessors [WAS: Re: Apple and malware]

    On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:42:41 +1000, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Gail Pamphilon
    <gail@melbpc.thinkcarefully.org.au> wrote:
    >

    [snip]
    >
    > Now you've got me interested. My vintage dates back to WordPerfect
    > (ugh) for DOS by WordPerfect Corporation,

    [snip]

    "Ugh" is right. We used to call it "WordIMperfect", and that was a huge
    understatement.

    > I actually taught myself 4.2
    > on the library computer.

    [snip]

    So you first encountered it after it had been saturation marketed for the
    MS-DOS/IBM-PC platform. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, of
    course; but hold the thought because it does impact on your later
    comments...

    > Also superior in every way (then, not now),
    > Word for DOS (with the original and only decent mouse), version
    > unknown, as it was ages ago.

    [snip]

    Well, I didn't much care for MS Word, even at v1.0; but I'll grant you that
    it was better than WordIMperfect.

    > All right, Holden and Ford, but still!
    > ;-) Boy, we had to use our brains and imagination to get around the
    > limitations back then.

    [snip]

    And one of the biggest reasons for that is that too many software vendors
    tried (and still try) to do your thinking for you, in a misguided belief
    that this made/makes their product "easier to use" -- which was one of the
    BIG marketing buzzwords back then. But the reality is that there is a HUGE
    difference between "easy to use" and "easy to stumble around blindly without
    any clue as to what you're doing, yet still eventually accomplish
    *something*". It was precisely this misconception which led to Windows, in
    fact. But I'm getting ahead of myself a bit here; so before I digress too
    far, let's move on...

    > Windows aficionados might be surprised at what
    > we managed to do.
    >

    [snip]

    At least most "Windows aficionados" only qualify for that description
    because they don't know any better.

    > Before that, it was the horrendous WordStar and MultiMate, thank
    > goodness I didn't have to endure them for long.

    [snip]

    Whoa, Nellie!

    This is where you're derailing, big time.

    MultiMate shared many of the same fundamental problems that plagued
    WordIMperfect, mostly for the same reasons -- they were both ports of
    existing mainframe/terminal programs, which (at least at first) did not make
    the transition to the microcomputer/"personal computer" environment all that
    gracefully. Their marketing departments would tell you (as loudly as they
    could muster) quite differently, of course; but the fact is that both of
    these applications were written for systems with dedicated terminals, mostly
    with dedicated function keys designed to support these very apps (or at
    least apps very much like them, such as Wang dedicated wordprocessor
    terminals). Hence, the very basis of their user interface was flat-out
    *missing* on the microcomputer platforms; and the necessarily kludged
    replacements they came up with based on the generic IBM PC F-keys was a poor
    substitute, at best.

    WordStar, however, was a very different story, and you do it a great
    disservice to call it "horrendous". Wordstar was originally written for the
    CP/M environment, which meant that anything beyond a plain-vanilla ASCII
    terminal/keyboard *could*not* be assumed by the programmers. This
    "limitation" was actually a very good thing for the development of the
    program's user interface, because it led directly to the "WordStar
    Diamond"[1] -- a fundamentally intuitive selection of cursor-control
    keystrokes (in combination with the Ctrl key, of course) which went on to
    become an industry standard, widely copied/imitated by MANY other text
    editors and word processors (except, ironically enough, those which were
    most directly competing with WordStar at the time -- due of course to "Not
    Invented Here Syndrome"). The WordStar command interface remains a classic
    today (you can even download a shareware utility to implement this command
    structure in your copy of MS Word 97/2000[2]) precisely because, in addition
    to its intuitiveness, it is "easy to use" -- in the *true* sense of that
    phrase. Your hands never need to leave the home row to perform virtually
    all commands and text manipulations.

    WordStar also had several other advanced -- yet under-appreciated by the
    Johnny-come-latelys who got seduced by the slick (and in some cases,
    libelous and unethical) marketing campaigns conducted by the publishers of
    Word, Multimate, and WordIMperfect in particular -- features. Chief among
    these were the fact that it did *not* force you to wade through menu after
    menu to perform routine tasks -- yet the menus *were* available, if and when
    you needed them (such as while learning the program, for example). Even
    slicker, the on-screen help levels were user-selectable; so that once the
    very basics were mastered, you could get back virtually all of your screen
    "real estate" (which was a *very* precious commodity in that era of 80x24
    character-based displays) to use for it's best purpose: the actual editing
    window. Yet, the command interface was also implemented an automatic
    time-sensitive "progression" to more complete/detailed help/menus for the
    lesser-used commands that the user might not instantly remember -- so if you
    knew what you wanted to do, you just *did* it, without the program getting
    in the way; and if you didn't, the program would gently help you along, with
    a minimum of muss and fuss. This is the core of what I was saying above
    about the difference between "truly easy to use" vs. "initially *appearing*
    easy to a novice -- but then proving that appearances are deceiving".

    Still more unique-to-WordStar features: An elegant way of embedding printing
    codes and spacing commands in the text file without making it unreadable
    using any of zillions of other tools (including the OS command line) which
    expected to find "normal" ASCII text files; an always-available "WYSIWYG"
    representation of the actual *file* contents, which made fancy formatting
    and troubleshooting MUCH easier (by comparison, recall WP's horrid "reveal
    codes" command? Yecchh!); *published* entry points and data values for
    virtually all program variables, permitting *extensive* customization of the
    program's operation to suit the individual user's needs; a completely
    customizable printer interface, permitting the user to make the program
    support printers that were not even designed when the program was released
    -- for example, I use it with an HP LaserJet 4P/MP, with full functionality
    *including* Postscript; and if I bought a newer/fancier printer today, it
    could support that too. It was also *dead* reliable -- unlike WordIMperfect
    which would not only crash regularly, it would take the entire *disk* with
    it (to the point of requiring reformatting -- bye-bye data) in the process;
    and it only took removing a floppy from the drive at the "wrong" moment to
    trigger such idiotic travesties.

    In short, WordStar was (and remains to this day -- I *still* use v7.0D
    whenever I need to *write*, as opposed to make overly fussy "pretty pages")
    a FAR superior writer's tool than the programs which eventually killed it in
    the marketplace. It died not because it wasn't good, but because it got
    out-marketed by the purveyors of inferior products. This was partly
    (perhaps largely) due to the fact that MicroPro (the company which
    originally wrote and published WordStar) severely shot themselves in the
    foot multiple times during the course of "The Word Processor Wars" (which,
    in turn, was due in large part to the loss of key personnel, and in other
    large part to some just-plain-dumb marketing decisions)[3].

    > Though even they had
    > nothing on Word version 1, which one company I temped with was
    > incredibly still using.
    >

    [snip]

    MS-Word was originally written more-or-less from scratch for MS-DOS (and the
    IBM PC in particular); so it did not suffer from most of the legacy issues
    that plagued Multimate and WordIMperfect. But MS also failed to appreciate
    the "easy to use vs. easy to learn" wisdom inherent in the WordStar user
    interface. As a result, it looked real good to newbies on a showroom floor
    (and thus sold well). But even after you learned the basics of the program,
    it forced you to continue to _act_like_ a novice, stepping through menus
    (which you could not remove from the screen), pointing at things with the
    mouse (which of course made you remove your hands from the Home Row), etc.
    -- all of which served to slow you down and kill productivity. (IIRC, they
    later added Ctrl-key and Alt-key aliases for a lot of the menu-based
    commands, in an attempt to ameliorate this gaffe; but the entire existing
    command structure was such that they could not come up with anything so
    elegant and intuitive as the WordStar Diamond.) It also used a proprietarty
    binary file format that nothing else understood, and which (for the most
    part, anyway) could not be "edited by hand" to rescue it in the event of a
    disk problem or something like that. And forget customizing it
    significantly, or supporting new printers -- it is only a small exaggeration
    to say that if MS didn't support it out of the box, you were S.O.L (thus
    forming the start of the "endless upgrade merry-go-round" that the MS
    marketing department has thrived on for decades now).

    Now, as for why you liked it... I suspect that part of that was because you
    found it *initially* easy to cope with, probably with little or no formal
    instruction. That is to be expected, since the program was designed to do
    exactly that. But you probably also did not have the benefit of proper
    instruction (or sufficient experience) with WordStar, which was *not*
    written primarily to impress newbies, thus slanting your perceptions. Also,
    by the time MS-Word was introduced and gaining popularity, WordStar was
    already starting to lose the "creeping featureitis" races which drove
    ("plagued" might be the better term) the microcomputer software market at
    that time. "Features" (regardless of whether they were really useful or
    valuable in the long-term) equated to "something for magazine reviewers to
    talk about", particularly if said reviewers were sufficiently inexperienced
    or unsophisticated to lack appreciation for subtler (but ultimately more
    important) forms of functionality -- which most of them were (remember, this
    was all during the big microcomputer boom of the '80s; so "inexperienced and
    unsophisticated" was *everywhere*, including on the editorial staffs of the
    big-name specialty-market magazines). Hence, the "newer, shinier" programs
    got the rave reviews, and so the zillions of newbies entering the market for
    the first time started gravitating to them -- and as they say, the rest is
    history.

    > So tell us. Where did WordPerfect start, if not in DOS with WC? I have
    > long memories, so I'm interested.
    >

    [snip]

    Well, I guess "mto" has had long enough to pipe up, if he was going to
    (yeah, riiiiiight), so.... <drum-roll please>

    WordPerfect was originally released as "SSI*WP" (based on the earlier
    "P-Edit" text editor) by "Satellite Software International", nee "Satellite
    Systems, Inc.", in March of 1980, carrying a retail price tag of $5,500 per
    copy. It ran ONLY on Data General systems, using DG's "AOS" operating
    system, and only with Data General terminals, for which it was specifically
    written. By the time it made it to the MS-DOS platform (as v2.20) late the
    following year, the official product name was "WordPerfect", but both that
    *and* "SSI*WP" appeared on the manual covers, IIRC. And oh, the price tag
    had dropped to less than 10% of the original (a sub-$300 "street price" was
    generally considered the the "market ceiling" for microcomputer
    wordprocessors back then -- but remember, this was in 1981 dollars). In
    1986, "Satellite Software International" became "WordPerfect Corporation",
    as they committed their focus to a single product after several abortive
    attempts (read: "dismal failures") to broaden their line with such things as
    spreadsheets, programming languages, legal time & billing, and so on. Later
    that same year, the version you first encountered (4.2) was released (back
    then, it was "de rigueur" for nearly *all* new products, versions, etc.,
    regardless of vendor, to be officially introduced at the COMDEX trade show
    held each November in Las Vegas; a much smaller number were launched at the
    "Spring COMDEX" in Chicago).

    And thus endeth today's stroll down Memory Lane. ;-)


    Footnotes -

    1. The following illustration originally by Dan Strychalski
    <dski[at]cameonet.cameo.com.tw>; edited to reduce line-length by Jay T.
    Blocksom (use FIXED-PITCH font to view correctly):

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    .-------. .--------------.--------------.
    | Quick*| | Line Up _.-' `-._ Scrn Up |
    | ^Q | | ^W _.-' ^E `-._ ^R |
    `-------' | _.-' Line up `-._ |
    _.-' `-._
    ..----------. _.-' Word Char Char Word `-._
    | Home-row | .-' ^A ^S _|_ ^D ^F `-.
    | Ctrl key | `-._ Left Left | Right Right _.-'
    `----------' `-._ _.-'
    / `-._ _.-' ^ = Ctrl
    Cursor Control | `-._ Line Down _.-' | ^X = Ctrl+x
    | ^Z `-._ ^X _.-' ^C | ^Qx = Ctrl+q, then x
    Viewframe Control --| Line Dn `-._ _.-' Scrn Dn | ^Qx = ^QX = ^Q^X
    `--------------"--------------'
    *"Quick" Functions:
    ------ Cursor ------- ------- Viewframe ------ --- Miscellaneous ---
    ^Qe: top of screen | ^Qw: auto-scroll up | ^Qa: search & replace
    ^Qs: left edge | ^Qz: auto-scroll down | ^Qf: search
    ^Qd: right edge | ^Qr: jump to top of file | ^Qq: repeat next char
    ^Qx: bottom of screen | ^Qc: jump to end of file | or command
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    Left hand: All movement Middle: Risky functions Right hand: All others
    .---------------------.--------------.----------------------------.
    Quick | ======== Up ======= | == Delete == | ====== Menus & Misc ====== |
    Funcs | Scr Cursor Scr | | Undo/ On-scrn Print |
    ===== | 1 Ln 1 Ln 1 Scr | Word Line | Cancel Tab Format Ctrls |
    ..---. | .---. .---. .---. | .---. .---. | .---. .---. .---. .---. |
    |^Q*| | |^W | |^E | |^R | | |^T | |^Y | | |^U | |^I** |^O*| |^P*| |
    `---' | `---' `---' `---' | `---' `---' | `---' `---' `---' `---' |
    .----' `-. `-. |
    | ======= Left/Right ======= | Char Char Lf | Help Block Last Search |
    | .---Left---. .---Right--. | .---. .---. | .---. .---. .---. (or |
    | |^A | |^S | |^D | |^F | | |^G | |^H** | |^J*| |^K*| |^L | srch |
    | `---' `---' `---' `---' | `---' `---' | `---' `---' `---' and |
    | Word Char Char Word | (Bksp)| ("File") repl)|
    `--. .---' - - - - - .-' .------------'
    | .---. .---. .---. | .---. .---. |.---. .---. | == Legend ==
    | |^Z | |^X | |^C | | |^V | |^B | ||^N | |^M** | ^ = Ctrl
    | `---' `---' `---' | `---' `---' |`---' `---' | === Note ===
    | Scr Cursor Scr | Ins/ "Box Up" | Add Add New | All commands
    | 1 Ln 1 Ln 1 Scr | Ovr- (Reform) | New Line and | are case-
    | ====== Down ====== | type P'graph | Line Go Down | insensitive.
    `---------------------`----------------'---------------'
    *^Q ^O ^P ^J ^K : Prefix keys; display menus showing available functions.
    **^H ^I ^M ......: Universal editing keys. Defined in ASCII and Unicode.
    "Quick" Funcs .: Long cursor jumps, search, search and replace, math...
    "Block" Funcs .: Select, move, copy, save, quit, print, open... almost
    : anything which dealt with "blocks" of text
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    See also:

    <http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm?term=WORDSTARDIAMOND>
    <http://www.wordstar.org/wordstar/tutorial/tutorial.htm>

    2. <http://www.simtel.net/product.php?url_fb_product_page=14249>
    3. <http://www.wordstar.org/wordstar/history/history.htm>



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    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
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  7. #47
    tony@well.com Guest

    Re: Apple and malware

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:03:38 -0400, Jay T. Blocksom
    <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net> wrote:

    >IOW, you want a "toaster" -- an "appliance" so brain-dead simple that any
    >moron can use it without significant risk.


    No, not at all. There are other alternatives for intelligent people
    with the right imagination.

    >Unfortunately for you, computers
    >are NOT toasters, and I highly doubt they ever will be. We are, in fact,
    >going in the opposite direction.


    So they are not, and so we are going... And it is unfortunate for all
    of us. Isn't this an outstanding opportunity for someone who has
    enough knowhow and inventiveness to find another solution rather than
    accept such a bleak conclusion?

    T.
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