Apple and malware

[null@zilch.com]

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:29:50 -0400, Jay T. Blocksom
<usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net> wrote:

>WinME is *NOT* an improvement over Win98SE. It's still based on DOS, but
>has relatively few (if any) of the advantages that provides to the rest of
>the Win9x series, while still having virtually all of the DISadvantages. It
>is also widely acknowledged to be the most buggy, unstable and generally
>horrid version of Windows to *ever* find its way to a store shelf. Steer
>clear.

Garbage. I've found Win ME to be perfectly fine, just as W98 was.


Art
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[Paul]

In article <9vpblvg84prhgalqda5o1mgfjebvu7gri6@4ax.com>, null@zilch.com
writes
>On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:29:50 -0400, Jay T. Blocksom
><usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net> wrote:
>
>>WinME is *NOT* an improvement over Win98SE. It's still based on DOS, but
>>has relatively few (if any) of the advantages that provides to the rest of
>>the Win9x series, while still having virtually all of the DISadvantages. It
>>is also widely acknowledged to be the most buggy, unstable and generally
>>horrid version of Windows to *ever* find its way to a store shelf. Steer
>>clear.
>
>Garbage. I've found Win ME to be perfectly fine, just as W98 was.
>
It's truly horrible. W98 was, in it's time, good. ME was a giant leap
backwards, it was clunky, unstable, bug-ridden and has made me more
money sorting out problems it caused than 3.11,95, 98 and 98SE combined.
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respectability to uninformed opinion. - John Lawton

[null@zilch.com]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:20:11 +0100, Paul <paul@streetka.biz> wrote:

>In article <9vpblvg84prhgalqda5o1mgfjebvu7gri6@4ax.com>, null@zilch.com
>writes
>>On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:29:50 -0400, Jay T. Blocksom
>><usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>WinME is *NOT* an improvement over Win98SE. It's still based on DOS, but
>>>has relatively few (if any) of the advantages that provides to the rest of
>>>the Win9x series, while still having virtually all of the DISadvantages. It
>>>is also widely acknowledged to be the most buggy, unstable and generally
>>>horrid version of Windows to *ever* find its way to a store shelf. Steer
>>>clear.
>>
>>Garbage. I've found Win ME to be perfectly fine, just as W98 was.
>>
>It's truly horrible. W98 was, in it's time, good. ME was a giant leap
>backwards, it was clunky, unstable, bug-ridden and has made me more
>money sorting out problems it caused than 3.11,95, 98 and 98SE combined.

Sorry you had such a bad experience. Mine has been quite good. I'm
running on a 900 mhz PIII with DSL service and it's very fast and
reliable ... a dream machine, actually.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

[Randall Bart]

'Twas Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:07:01 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood in
awe as "mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> uttered:

>> The closest you can get to that is that they are *both* conceptual
>rip-offs
>> of the Xerox "Star".

>No idiot - I am referring to the f***ing interface - MAC. The idea of a
>mouse, clickable menus, etc. etc. etc. That is MAC.

All invented at Xerox.

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[Davoud]

mto:
> The idea of a mouse, clickable menus, etc. etc. etc. That is MAC.

Randall Bart:
> All invented at Xerox.

*****

That's like saying that Leif Ericson was the first European to discover
America. Maybe he was the first to set foot here, but neither he nor
anyone else involved knew that he had found anything of value. Thus, we
have Columbus Day, not Leif Ericson Day.

Likewise, credit for the mouse, the GUI, the CD-ROM, USB, FireWire
(which actually was an Apple invention), and, above all else, the
enormous power that is conveyed by ease-of-use, belongs solely to Apple
and not to any second-rate pretender that still doesn't get it.

Davoud

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[mto]

"Jack" <see.sig@below.my.post> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:07:01 -0400, "mto"
> <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Jay T. Blocksom" <usenet01+SPAMBLOCK@appropriate-tech.net> wrote in
message
> >news:g83alvs6omnt7ib7teraj6guti3oh63gmk@news.rcn. com...
> >> On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:13:48 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "mto"
> >> <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> wrote:
> >> >
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> > The learning curve for a Mac is close to
> >> > zilch - nearly everything you see now as Windows started life as Mac
> >back
> >> > when MS products came in green on black.
> >> >
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> Unless you are referring exclusively to a relative handful of popular
> >> applications like Eudora, that simply isn't true. And besides, by now,
> >the
> >> parentage has been so obfuscated as to be irrelevant.
> >>
> >> > Windows is spendy, getting spendier
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> True.
> >>
> >> > ...and never was anything
> >> > more than a bad - and very slow - copy of the Mac OS.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not true.
> >>
> >> The closest you can get to that is that they are *both* conceptual
> >rip-offs
> >> of the Xerox "Star".
> >>
> >> --
> >
> >No idiot - I am referring to the f***ing interface - MAC. The idea of a
> >mouse, clickable menus, etc. etc. etc. That is MAC. And FAR more than
> >Eudora started out on MAC - Word was originall a Mac program,
WordPerfect,
> >Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator, and much, much much more.
>
> Jay is correct. Xerox's GUI (Graphical User Interface) concept dates
> to before before Jobs and Wozniak ever ventured into the garage they
> designed and built the original Apple. IIRC, Xerox's GUI never made it
> to market, while Apple designed theirs into the MacIntosh. Shortly
> afterward, MS introduced Windows. (Hell, even Commodore-64 had a GUI
> (GEOS) by the mid-late '80s).
>

More than "shortly" afterward - not until Bill saw the great danger to his
miserably chunky DOS did he copy the MAC interface. Someone before Ford
built a car - but do you remember his name? Xerox might have invented the
concept - but they did nothing with it. Last Xerox machine I saw wouldn't
fit on my desktop by a longshot

[Davoud]

mto:
> Someone before Ford built a car - but do you remember his name?

I remember two names, actually -- Daimler and Benz.

> Xerox might have invented the concept - but they did nothing with it.

Your analogy was a bit weak, but your point is correct.

Davoud

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[Randall Bart]

'Twas Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:22:26 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood in
awe as "mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> uttered:

>Someone before Ford
>built a car - but do you remember his name?

Benz was second, Daimler was third, Ford was forth, all in 1896. Benz and
Daimler both thought they were first and Ford thought he was third. By
the end of 1896 dozens of people had built them. Once the concept was
proven, the execution wasn't too hard. I believe the first one to get a
car to market was Ransom E Olds.

The first guy to build an automobile was some French guy about 1780. I
don't recall his name, and he was largely forgotten until we celebrated
the 100th anniversary of the automobile in 1996. He drove it about half a
mile, crashed, towed it back to his barn, and never tried again. He
deserves to be forgotten.

Lots of inventions have two inventors. Who invented radio, Marconi or
Tesla? Who invented motion pictures, Edison or LaPrince? Who invented
television, Farsnworth or that English dude I don't remember the name of?

The GUI concept was invented at Xerox. The inventors knew they had
something revolutionary. It shows the flaw in allowing corporations to
own intellectual property. Corporations have no intellect. The inventors
would have brought it to market if corporate weren't clueless.
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[mto]

"Randall Bart" <Barticus@att.spam.net> wrote in message
news:571glvcqa5jdl6mr4pg2r7danlglc6dsis@4ax.com...
> 'Twas Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:22:26 -0400 when all alt.privacy.spyware stood in
> awe as "mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> uttered:
>
> >Someone before Ford
> >built a car - but do you remember his name?
>
> Benz was second, Daimler was third, Ford was forth, all in 1896. Benz and
> Daimler both thought they were first and Ford thought he was third. By
> the end of 1896 dozens of people had built them. Once the concept was
> proven, the execution wasn't too hard. I believe the first one to get a
> car to market was Ransom E Olds.

All quite true. But the guy that put a car in your driveway was Ford - not
Daimler, Benz, Olds etc. They all built cars for the wealthy rather than
the masses. Ford changed history as they say with his most important
invention - the assembly line.


> The first guy to build an automobile was some French guy about 1780. I
> don't recall his name, and he was largely forgotten until we celebrated
> the 100th anniversary of the automobile in 1996. He drove it about half a
> mile, crashed, towed it back to his barn, and never tried again. He
> deserves to be forgotten.
>
> Lots of inventions have two inventors. Who invented radio, Marconi or
> Tesla? Who invented motion pictures, Edison or LaPrince? Who invented
> television, Farsnworth or that English dude I don't remember the name of?

And Leonardo da Vinci left behind a perfect diagram for a functional, modern
helicopter.

> The GUI concept was invented at Xerox. The inventors knew they had
> something revolutionary. It shows the flaw in allowing corporations to
> own intellectual property. Corporations have no intellect. The inventors
> would have brought it to market if corporate weren't clueless.

Not necessarily. Great inventions still take smarts & money in a very big
way to bring to market. And GUI is likely not intellectual property per se
anymore than the automobile is, though the way an idea is implemented may
be patentable. Note that not long ago eBay had to pay out a hefty sum to
the person that holds the patent to the particular technology they've used
for years to deliver their online auctions. It isn't the idea of an online
auction that is intellectual property though - just the particular
implementation of the idea.

[leslie]

Randall Bart (Barticus@att.spam.net) wrote:
:
: The first guy to build an automobile was some French guy about 1780. I
: don't recall his name, and he was largely forgotten until we celebrated
: the 100th anniversary of the automobile in 1996. He drove it about half
: a mile, crashed, towed it back to his barn, and never tried again. He
: deserves to be forgotten.
:

Nicolas Joseph Cugnot...

http://inventors.about.com/library/w...carssteama.htm
The History of the Automobile - Steam Cars

"...In 1769, the very first self-propelled road vehicle was a military
tractor invented by French engineer and mechanic, Nicolas Joseph
Cugnot (1725 - 1804). Cugnot used a steam engine to power his vehicle,
built under his instructions at the Paris Arsenal by mechanic Brezin.
It was used by the French Army to haul artillery at a whopping speed
of 2 1/2 mph on only three wheels. The vehicle had to stop every ten
to fifteen minutes to build up steam power. The steam engine and
boiler were separate from the rest of the vehicle and placed in the
front (see engraving above). The following year (1770), Cugnot built a
steam-powered tricycle that carried four passengers.

In 1771, Cugnot drove one of his road vehicles into a stone wall,
making Cugnot the first person to get into a motor vehicle accident.
This was the beginning of bad luck for the inventor. After one of
Cugnot's patrons died and the other was exiled, the money for Cugnot's
road vehicle experiments ended..."

--Jerry Leslie
Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email