Re: I can't get *certain* ads to stop popping up

[mto]

"NiC" <port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Was there any need to be so rude???
<SNIP>
> I never once suggested that I knew what I was doing. If I did know then I
> wouldn't have posted my question here. I was given great advice which I
> followed to the letter and thankfully my problem appears to have been
> resolved.
>
> Lucky for me I guess that you have jumped in on this late in the game and
I
> didn't have to be made to feel like a moron before I got my problem fixed.

NiC, don't let the guy bug you. Jay T. despises Windows and anything that
is connected to it and he is unfortunately one of those people where *his*
way is the *only* way and those who disagree with him - even if nearly the
entire universe - are less than dirt.

Worse, he seems to be incapable of thinking outside the very confined belief
box that he has built for himself. And as you can see, absorbing data (like
the clearly stated point you made early on re being on a dialup connection)
is not necessarily his strong suite. Good thing science doesn't think this
way or we would all still believe the world to be flat. Unfortunately, just
about every newsgroup around is infested with one of these.

> Even you to didn't know everything once upon a time, so maybe you
shouldn't
> be so harsh on those who are still trying to learn.
>
> NiC

The day you aren't still trying to learn you might just as well give up the
ghost Kind of reminds me of those parents I run across now and then whom
I knew "way back when" - invariably true hellers all that nearly drove their
own parents to the nuthouse - whose children "aren't going to do such
things." Yeah, right.........

[NiC]

"mto" <nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> wrote in message
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> NiC, don't let the guy bug you. Jay T. despises Windows and anything that
> is connected to it and he is unfortunately one of those people where *his*
> way is the *only* way and those who disagree with him - even if nearly the
> entire universe - are less than dirt.
>
> Worse, he seems to be incapable of thinking outside the very confined
belief
> box that he has built for himself. And as you can see, absorbing data
(like
> the clearly stated point you made early on re being on a dialup
connection)
> is not necessarily his strong suite. Good thing science doesn't think
this
> way or we would all still believe the world to be flat. Unfortunately,
just
> about every newsgroup around is infested with one of these.
>
> > Even you to didn't know everything once upon a time, so maybe you
> shouldn't
> > be so harsh on those who are still trying to learn.
> >
> > NiC
>
> The day you aren't still trying to learn you might just as well give up
the
> ghost Kind of reminds me of those parents I run across now and then
whom
> I knew "way back when" - invariably true hellers all that nearly drove
their
> own parents to the nuthouse - whose children "aren't going to do such
> things." Yeah, right.........


Thanks, I was pretty shocked to read the response. I was just talking to my
dh the other night about rude posters and we both agreed that if you find a
comment to be in your opinion to stupid or annoying or whatever then don't
respond to it! Its pretty easy really.

I also noticed that he didn't even properly read the responses that I got on
my question which kind of made what he had to say less intelligent because
he was telling me things that I'd already been advised of.

NiC

[mto]

"Dave Higham" <davehighamNOSPAM@co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
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>
> "NiC" <port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3f51f0eb_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > Thanks, I was pretty shocked to read the response. I was just talking
to
> my
> > dh the other night about rude posters and we both agreed that if you
find
> a
> > comment to be in your opinion to stupid or annoying or whatever then
don't
> > respond to it! Its pretty easy really.
> >
> > I also noticed that he didn't even properly read the responses that I
got
> on
> > my question which kind of made what he had to say less intelligent
because
> > he was telling me things that I'd already been advised of.
>
> NiC - just to lighten it up a bit for you, newsgroups are frequented by
all
> kinds of people who strangely seem to fit these caricatures
>
> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
>
> Dave

Glad you had that URL handy - was just over there ROF the other night. The
guy is a prophet

[NiC]

This was great! Definately lightened my mood.

NiC


"Dave Higham" <davehighamNOSPAM@co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message
news:3f51f79f$0$206$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk...
>
> "NiC" <port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3f51f0eb_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > Thanks, I was pretty shocked to read the response. I was just talking
to
> my
> > dh the other night about rude posters and we both agreed that if you
find
> a
> > comment to be in your opinion to stupid or annoying or whatever then
don't
> > respond to it! Its pretty easy really.
> >
> > I also noticed that he didn't even properly read the responses that I
got
> on
> > my question which kind of made what he had to say less intelligent
because
> > he was telling me things that I'd already been advised of.
>
> NiC - just to lighten it up a bit for you, newsgroups are frequented by
all
> kinds of people who strangely seem to fit these caricatures
>
> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
>
> Dave
>
>

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:39:50 +0930, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "NiC"
<port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> For crying out loud, what the hell is your problem??? I haven't used
> newsgroups before, I'm trying to get it right.
>
[snip]

Then start at the beginning:

<news:news.announce.newusers>
<http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nan/>
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/news/news.announce.newusers.html>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news-newusers-intro>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/usenet/welcome/part1>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/usenet/faq/part1>
<http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt>

> No, I'm not doing something really stupid with my computer, I just do it
> to be safe, how does it effect you if I do anyway?
>
[snip]

But that's just it... Such useless wheel-spinning does absolutely NOTHING
to help you "be safe". And to the extent that you may derive a false sense
of security from such pointless exercises, it is counterproductive.

> > What I don't understand is... Why you would even consider asking the
> > wolf how to protect your hen house?
>
> What I don't understand is you have a problem with the questions I ask
> (whether they are stupid or not) why on earth do you bother responding to
> them?
[snip]

To get you (and others like you) to *think*. Admittedly, that is often a
futile pursuit.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:18:42 -0000, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "Dick
Hazeleger" <Dick@post_it_in_the_newsgroup.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Funny that the system that I was writing (running XP Home btw) about in
> a reply to a message of yours in a different thread was completely
> sealed and couldn't be infected after such a "pseudo firewall" as YOU
> call it was installed...
[snip]

Believe that at your peril.

> Sure a hardware FW is the best... but compared to an open system such
> as XP (even with the LAN firewall "up") a decent software FW as a
> protection is better than nothing!!!
>
[snip]

Wrong.

In the scenario you describe -- local LAN protected by a properly configured
hardware firewall or bastion host -- a so-called "software firewall" running
on the workstation(s) would do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect that
workstation form external threats. To the extent that it might
theoretically help protect from internal threats, that is highly indicative
of larger and deeper-rooted problems in the organization that owns the LAN
-- and installing ill-conceived "band-aids" on inherently insecure
workstations is NOT a cure for that.

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Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On 30 Aug 2003 00:05:08 -0700, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, netw0rk@rol.ru
(James Arrow) wrote:
>
[snip]

Please do not top-post. Please DO learn to edit your posts properly.

> Try LanTalk XP
> http://www.[REDACTED]
>
[snip]

Which has what, exactly, to do with the topics being discussed in this
thread?

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Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:34:01 +0930, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "NiC"
<port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> Was there any need to be so rude???
>
[snip]

I have not yet begun to be rude, at least to you. If you are so
thin-skinned as to take offense to straight talk and plain language, then
Usenet is probably not for you -- especially not he <alt.*> (or
$DEITY-help-you, <free.*>) hierarchy.

> > > I installed a program today called TechfactsXP that checks and
> > > cleans the registry, among other things, is the same as the
> > > HijackThis program?
> > [snip]
> >
> > What makes you think it would be?
>
> I don't know, that's why I asked.
>
[snip]

It would make about as much sense to ask if it were "the same as" Microsoft
Word, or sed/awk, or chocolate cake with buttercream icing.

> No, I wasn't connected to the internet at the time.
>
[snip]

Then the "pop-up" MUST have been generated by a locally executing program.
Hence, typical "pop-ups stopppers" would be completely ineffective.

> No, I don't have a cable connection. I have a dialup connection.
>
[snip]

OK, I see now that your ISP apparently uses an internal proxy server for
Usenet posts, which explains the constant "NNTP-Posting-Host:" IP.

> At the time I wasn't running a firewall, but thanks to the helpful advice
> of people here I went and did just that.
>
> Turning off the Windows Messenger service was the first thing that I did.
>
[snip]

Both of which are completely irrelevant, based on your assertation above
that the pop-up occurred while you did NOT have a live Internet connection.

> > > If the TechfactsXP is
> > > the same as HijackThis, could I send in a screen capture or
> > > something similar from that?
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Why do you keep trying to "get creative", when it is patently obvious
> > that you don't know what you're doing? You've been given some
> > half-decent advice by several folks here -- FOLLOW IT.
>
> I never once suggested that I knew what I was doing. If I did know then
> I wouldn't have posted my question here. I was given great advice which
> I followed to the letter and thankfully my problem appears to have been
> resolved.
>
[snip]

I'm not sure how trying to use a screen capture from an entirely different
program constitutes "followed to the letter", but whatever...

> Lucky for me I guess that you have jumped in on this late in the game
[snip]

That would (mostly) depend on whether or not you learned anything as a
result.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:29:24 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "mto"
<nobody@dontsendmeanyspam.thanks> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> NiC, don't let the guy bug you. Jay T. despises Windows and anything
> that is connected to it
[snip]

Not true. And you would do well to cease trying to put words in my (or
anyone else's) mouth.

In point of fact, I *use* (certain versions of) Windows. It has it's useful
applications. It is also *extremely* problematic on several levels, both
technical and legal/political. Failing to recognize or acknowledge that
well-established fact would a gross error.

The remainder of your baseless ad hominem attack has been deleted -- but
noted for future reference should it become necessary to escalate this
matter.

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Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 2256 +0930, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "NiC"
<port_power@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> I also noticed that he didn't even properly read the responses that I got
> on my question which kind of made what he had to say less intelligent
> because he was telling me things that I'd already been advised of.
>
[snip]

Apparently, this is yet another way in which you are unfamiliar with Usenet,
particularly WRT the issues of propagation and batch up/down-loading using
an off-line newsreader. In short, you should *never* assume that a poster
has seen ANY other particular message(s), especially those posted *later*
than the one he/she is following-up to at that moment.

Usenet is *NOT* a real-time medium. It never has been, and never will be.

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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