Firewall Recommendations

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:31:10 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>Well, Mr. Expert - I guess that you should write a book so that you can
>teach every internet security expert in the world - 99.9% of whom disagree
>strongly with you - how things should PROPERLY be done. And of course, all
>the rest of us too while you are at it.
>
>Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape? This Netscape -

Mozilla developed by Netscape? You've got some serious delusions
happening there, bud.

[mto]

"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:fpq1hvcm7g5ed57imgmf34tg5q0q11qog0@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:31:10 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
> >Well, Mr. Expert - I guess that you should write a book so that you can
> >teach every internet security expert in the world - 99.9% of whom
disagree
> >strongly with you - how things should PROPERLY be done. And of course,
all
> >the rest of us too while you are at it.
> >
> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape? This
Netscape -
>
> Mozilla developed by Netscape? You've got some serious delusions
> happening there, bud.
>
Not hardly - go look up the history of Mozilla. Netscape released its
sourcecode for the Netscape browser as Open Source in order to get a bunch
of developers to work on it for free. Mozilla is to this day the underlying
basis of Netscape - has been ever since it's first release. I was a beta
tester

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:42:33 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>
>"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>news:fpq1hvcm7g5ed57imgmf34tg5q0q11qog0@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:31:10 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>> >Well, Mr. Expert - I guess that you should write a book so that you can
>> >teach every internet security expert in the world - 99.9% of whom
>disagree
>> >strongly with you - how things should PROPERLY be done. And of course,
>all
>> >the rest of us too while you are at it.
>> >
>> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape? This
>Netscape -
>>
>> Mozilla developed by Netscape? You've got some serious delusions
>> happening there, bud.
>>
>Not hardly - go look up the history of Mozilla. Netscape released its
>sourcecode for the Netscape browser as Open Source in order to get a bunch
>of developers to work on it for free.

"Released" its source code; then Netscape doesn't *own* it.

"To get a bunch of developers to work on it for free"; then Netscape
doesn't *develop* it.

Here's what you wrote:

>Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape?

Mozilla is neither owned nor developd by Netscape.

> Mozilla is to this day the underlying
>basis of Netscape - has been ever since it's first release. I was a beta
>tester

Gosh. A beta tester, huh? Whew.

[mto]

"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:tk62hv8o720ltpu5mca9mj0mrckjqo6ukp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:42:33 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
> >
> >"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >news:fpq1hvcm7g5ed57imgmf34tg5q0q11qog0@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:31:10 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> >> prounounced a fatwah thus:
> >>
> >> >Well, Mr. Expert - I guess that you should write a book so that you
can
> >> >teach every internet security expert in the world - 99.9% of whom
> >disagree
> >> >strongly with you - how things should PROPERLY be done. And of
course,
> >all
> >> >the rest of us too while you are at it.
> >> >
> >> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape? This
> >Netscape -
> >>
> >> Mozilla developed by Netscape? You've got some serious delusions
> >> happening there, bud.
> >>
> >Not hardly - go look up the history of Mozilla. Netscape released its
> >sourcecode for the Netscape browser as Open Source in order to get a
bunch
> >of developers to work on it for free.
>
> "Released" its source code; then Netscape doesn't *own* it.
>
> "To get a bunch of developers to work on it for free"; then Netscape
> doesn't *develop* it.
>
> Here's what you wrote:
>
> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape?
>
> Mozilla is neither owned nor developd by Netscape.
>
> > Mozilla is to this day the underlying
> >basis of Netscape - has been ever since it's first release. I was a beta
> >tester
>
> Gosh. A beta tester, huh? Whew.

"Used to be owned" then, development prompted by and still used by Netscape
which used to be a decent browser until they sold out and is now a piece of
spamware

Yeah, it was heavy work LOL

[mto]

"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:tk62hv8o720ltpu5mca9mj0mrckjqo6ukp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:42:33 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
> >
> >"Lance Delacroix" <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> >news:fpq1hvcm7g5ed57imgmf34tg5q0q11qog0@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:31:10 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> >> prounounced a fatwah thus:
> >>
> >> >Well, Mr. Expert - I guess that you should write a book so that you
can
> >> >teach every internet security expert in the world - 99.9% of whom
> >disagree
> >> >strongly with you - how things should PROPERLY be done. And of
course,
> >all
> >> >the rest of us too while you are at it.
> >> >
> >> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape? This
> >Netscape -
> >>
> >> Mozilla developed by Netscape? You've got some serious delusions
> >> happening there, bud.
> >>
> >Not hardly - go look up the history of Mozilla. Netscape released its
> >sourcecode for the Netscape browser as Open Source in order to get a
bunch
> >of developers to work on it for free.
>
> "Released" its source code; then Netscape doesn't *own* it.
>
> "To get a bunch of developers to work on it for free"; then Netscape
> doesn't *develop* it.
>
> Here's what you wrote:
>
> >Mozilla - you mean the one owned and developed by Netscape?
>
> Mozilla is neither owned nor developd by Netscape.
>
> > Mozilla is to this day the underlying
> >basis of Netscape - has been ever since it's first release. I was a beta
> >tester
>
> Gosh. A beta tester, huh? Whew.

HMMM - I was just "reading the news" a bit ago and happened upon a very
interesting breaking news article here -
http://www.internetwk.com/breakingNe...cleID=12800697

Entitled "AOL Spins Off Mozilla To Independent Foundation" it says in part -

<QUOTE>
Mozilla is the open source version of the Netscape browser, which AOL
bought, along with the parent Netscape corporation. <END>

I guess that you were - and are - wrong Moz was indeed owned by Netscape
and then purchased by AOL Cheers!

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:01:38 -0400, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, "mto"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> HMMM - I was just "reading the news" a bit ago and happened upon a very
> interesting breaking news article here -
> [URL snipped]
>
> Entitled "AOL Spins Off Mozilla To Independent Foundation" it says in
> part -
>
> <QUOTE>
> Mozilla is the open source version of the Netscape browser, which AOL
> bought, along with the parent Netscape corporation. <END>
>
> I guess that you were - and are - wrong Moz was indeed owned by
> Netscape and then purchased by AOL Cheers!
>

Uhhh... Not quite. The article you quoted is rather badly written, in that
confuses ownership of the code (which had already been released to the
public ~3 years ago) with the ownership of <mozilla.org> itself. AOL/T-W
had been pumping money into the latter ever since the release of the source
code, as sort of an incubation project. They're now turning off that
faucet, no doubt due in part to the realities of the post-"dot-bomb" economy
(the fact that they've been bleeding market share and profits for long
enough that their already "iffy" bond ratings are in jeopardy might also
have something to do with it <~>).

--

Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
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usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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